# Mad-Men 3.08, Souvenir (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 5, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621 "2009-10-05T01:55:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/1 "2009-10-05T01:55:52Z")
[QUOTE=AMCTV] Don takes Betty on a business trip. Pete helps a neighbor in his building. [/QUOTE] Will we finally find out what happened to Joan? Unless Christina Hendricks is leaving the show she has to wind up back at Sterling-Cooper somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Mixolydian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Mixolydian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mixolydian)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/2 "2009-10-05T02:12:37Z")
Niedermeyer! ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/3 "2009-10-05T02:33:42Z")
Ouch! Joan’s working retail. Nice cover story about only working there for the merchandise. Joan didn’t believe it was Trudy’s for a minute, but she never let it show. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/4 "2009-10-05T02:46:07Z")
Poor Joan, that was a social disaster! I loved Don and Betty’s little flirting game at the outdoor cafe. They’re awfully cute together when they’re happy. And Pete was _almost_ not an asshole, but he couldn’t quite pull it off. ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/5 "2009-10-05T03:04:16Z")
So Betty speaks Italian, another sign of the privileged life that she had before she married Don. It doesn’t jibe with what we know about her father so it makes me wonder what her mother was like. Can’t wait for them to get back to the office next week. I miss Peggy (and Paul and Harry). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/6 "2009-10-05T03:09:02Z")
Betty was fairly miserable at the end there, wasn’t she? As soon as Francine let on that she knows there’s something between Betty and Mr. Francis, Betty’s mood turned sour. I wish they’d tell us what’s going on with Guy! If his storyline is over, I’ll be disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/7 "2009-10-05T03:13:10Z")
Betty was acting much more mature than normal. She even sat Sally down and gave a very marternal talk about kissing. Is she going to keep acting like an adult, or slide back into her old paterns next week? Pete may have been an asshole (for a moment it would actually progress to rape), but at least I think he’s starting to realize this. I wonder if he’ll end up agreeing to Trudy’s adoption desire out of guilt. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/8 "2009-10-05T03:15:29Z")
We saw Ken Cosgrove, so at least we know he wasn’t fired over the riding mower fiasco. (What does it take to get fired from there anyhow?) And Pete told Trudy about the ketchup-filled water balloon, so that incident apparently didn’t cure them of their interest in office pranks. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/9 "2009-10-05T03:19:01Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > We saw Ken Cosgrove, so at least we know he wasn’t fired over the riding mower fiasco. (What does it take to get fired from there anyhow?) And Pete told Trudy about the ketchup-filled water balloon, so that incident apparently didn’t cure them of their interest in office pranks. Yes, it was the image of a ketchup-splattered office the made me think of Guy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/10 "2009-10-05T03:32:54Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Pete may have been an asshole (for a moment it would actually progress to rape), but at least I think he’s starting to realize this. I wonder if he’ll end up agreeing to Trudy’s adoption desire out of guilt. I’d call it rape. Gudrun had to acquiesce or risk losing her job. It reminded me a lot of Pete pushing his way into Peggy’s apartment in S1, and Greg raping Joan in Don’s office. Pete manages to put the blame on Trudy: “Don’t go away without me.” Slimy bastard. Gudrun’s employer is another slimy bastard, caring only about the inconvenience, and the boxes of Kleenex. Anyone else hoping the man at the door was Gudrun’s boyfriend? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/11 "2009-10-05T03:38:26Z")
How’s it rape? He didn’t force her to do it, and she was going to lose her job anyway if he didn’t help her with the dress. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/12 "2009-10-05T03:40:30Z")
Pete is such an open book that it was immediately obvious to Trudy that he was unfaithful. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/13 "2009-10-05T04:13:56Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > How’s it rape? He didn’t force her to do it, and she was going to lose her job anyway if he didn’t help her with the dress. It wasn’t consensual. The force Pete applied was the force of a man with power and status against a woman with none. Pete knew that and he used it. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/14 "2009-10-05T05:14:12Z")
Yeah, but it’s my understanding, taking all my history lessons from AMC, that women must have developed free will some time in the 70s, because they certainly didn’t have it here. Pete, that son of a bitch, I don’t know why but I love him. Maybe because he’s so secretly despicable (to his peers, not the audience) I feel I’m the better man - dunno, but I constantly find myself rooting for that bastard. Hooray for a Pete-centric episode that didn’t latch his wagon to Peggy. Oh, and soap opera moment of the week goes to Betty’s kiss with Mr/ Governor’s Office. That guy brought a three-pronged attack with every daytime TV move possible. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/15 "2009-10-05T05:45:10Z")
> [@Kid\_A](#): > > So Betty speaks Italian, another sign of the privileged life that she had before she married Don. It doesn’t jibe with what we know about her father so it makes me wonder what her mother was like. > > Can’t wait for them to get back to the office next week. I miss Peggy (and Paul and Harry). Peggy worked as a model between Bryn Mawr & marriage. She spent time in Italy & was the “muse” of an Italian designer. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/16 "2009-10-05T05:56:02Z")
The scene where Don sits at a separate table from Betty and they play act must’ve been great on paper, but the director dropped the ball with a shot that only possibly established that Don sat at a separate table. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/17 "2009-10-05T06:18:36Z")
> [@The\_Weird\_One](#): > > Betty was fairly miserable at the end there, wasn’t she? As soon as Francine let on that she knows there’s something between Betty and Mr. Francis, Betty’s mood turned sour. She gets sad because when Francine mentions her getaway to Lake George, it reminds Betty that Rome is only temporary. No matter how good Rome was, she can’t escape the reality of her crappy marriage. ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/18 "2009-10-05T06:37:15Z")
> [@Mixolydian](#): > > Niedermeyer! “Is that a PLEDGE PIN??!! On your _UNIFORM_!!!” Betty looks _nice_ in Italian underwear. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/19 "2009-10-05T06:54:20Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Peggy worked as a model between Bryn Mawr & marriage. She spent time in Italy & was the “muse” of an Italian designer. nitpick - it was Betty not Peggy ---
**Author:** ![Atomicflea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Atomicflea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atomicflea)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621/20 "2009-10-05T11:25:20Z")
I felt so bad for Joan, even saying she was covering for the manager, anything to throw Pete off. Pete’s an ass, and I’m pretty sure his confession to Trudy was more motivated by fear than guilt. Betty was happy in Italy because she was being constantly admired. She got everything she wanted from life, but it doesn’t satisfy her. Her comment to Sally (You don’t kiss boys, boys kiss you) is very telling. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-3-08-souvenir-open-spoilers/512621.md?page=2)