# Mad-Men: 4.04 "The Rejected" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 16, 2010, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376 "2010-08-16T01:45:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/61 "2010-08-17T15:29:37Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > She’s not engaged, is she (she kept refering to a boyfriend, not a fiance)? Was it just a regular ring? It was Dr. Faye Miller’s ring. > [@](#): > > Is she going to show up again (possibly pregnant)? There’s no reason for that to happen. > [@Dignan](#): > > I liked the episode. Was anyone else let down after the “this episode contains brief nudity” lead-in and it was just the “artistic nude” photos, and not Betty or Joan? Big disappointment. > [@](#): > > Peggy’s assistant saying he would get Trudy “so pregnant”. What a weird thing to say. What does he think, that Pete and Trudy don’t have sex? It sounds like something an 11-year-old would say. > [@AuntiePam](#): > > Fay (Faye?) It’s “Faye.” She wanted the placecard misspelled as “Fay.” > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > And she was about to get someplace with the guy in the closet until LifeGirl interrupted. I think they went as far as they were going to go in the closet at that moment. > [@salinqmind](#): > > Very mysterious, the way she said they’d talk about it inside…how much can you say about pears? Would it have killed her to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’? If someone was shouting at me like that in a public corridor, I’d refuse to reply to. > [@Prox](#): > > > [@Sampiro](#): > > > > So now that they have Vicks does this mean they’re going to drop Ponds? > > No, I pretty sure Clearasil was let go, and given to Cosgrove. Otherwise, I pretty sure Freddy would be gone, and I think they would’ve made some note of that. No, at the end Trudy’s father was over to have lunch with them to discuss bringing them all of Vicks’ business. Freddy is screwed. > [@astro](#): > > Re him not being poor re the hundreds of thousands he got for selling his part of the firm to the British company I imagine that’s being beat up by the cost of whatever settlement he made for the divorce, the cost of still carrying the house, and the start up costs of the new firm is crunching him a bit. Plus he’s just kind of tight with money per his poor background. Henry stopped Betty from taking any alimony. But, really, Don doesn’t care about these kinds of things. > [@Sampiro](#): > > Why Peggy’s sudden interest in Pete? Is he the one who got away? Has she been seeing their kid? Does she just want a piece of that pasty bottom? No, definitely not. But she bore his child. That kind of thing can knock you sideways unexpectedly. > [@corkboard](#): > > Particularly loved Peggy’s head popping up over the wall into Don’s office, … > > And yes, I was disappointed that the pre-show warning about nudity was just because of the pictures. Check and check. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/62 "2010-08-17T15:35:51Z")
> [@](#): > > What a weird thing to say. What does he think, that Pete and Trudy don’t have sex? It sounds like something an 11-year-old would say. It was a perhaps less crude way of saying “I’d bang her like a screen door during a tornado.” ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/63 "2010-08-17T15:37:52Z")
I was surprised to learn that Don’s new secretary was played by [Randee Heller](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0375374/)who was Daniel Larusso’s mom, Lucille, in _The Karate Kid_. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/64 "2010-08-17T15:48:02Z")
> [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > What a weird thing to say. What does he think, that Pete and Trudy don’t have sex? It sounds like something an 11-year-old would say. > > It was a perhaps less crude way of saying “I’d bang her like a screen door during a tornado.” You didn’t think that was crude? 😕 I found it incredibly and deliberately vulgar. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/65 "2010-08-17T15:53:25Z")
Oh, no, it was vulgar. I just meant it might have been _less_ crude than “I’d bang her like a screen door.” But these things are all relative. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/66 "2010-08-17T15:57:02Z")
It might have been less crude, but also more nonsensical. “I’d bang her like a screen door,” is the kind of thought that an adult man would have. “I’d soooo make her pregnant,” is not. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/67 "2010-08-17T16:02:31Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > It might have been less crude, but also more nonsensical. “I’d bang her like a screen door,” is the kind of thought that an adult man would have. “I’d soooo make her pregnant,” is not. I disagree. What makes “I’d make her _so_ pregnant” blunter and more vulgar in my view is its bluntness, its utter lack of metaphor. It’s not trying to be oblique, punny, or humorous; it’s not even pretending to pay heed to conventions of what is and is not acceptable to say about another person. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/68 "2010-08-17T18:39:14Z")
Did anyone else think that the title of the previous episode – “The Good News” – was more applicable to this episode than that one? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/69 "2010-08-17T18:41:57Z")
What news was good, except for Pete’s baby and the Vicks account? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/70 "2010-08-17T18:59:37Z")
Exactly that. And Ken’s engagement. I don’t recall \*any \*good news from the episode titled “The Good News.” ---
**Author:** ![Meltdown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Meltdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/71 "2010-08-17T20:53:29Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > I don’t recall \*any \*good news from the episode titled “The Good News.” I think that was kind of the point. The phrase was introduced when Don (or, more correctly, Dick), Anna, and the neice were talking over dinner. The neice was talking about someone she knew at college who had become a born-again Christian and wanted to talk to her about “the good news.” Don/Dick chuckled and said “it’s never good news” – or something like that. And then later in the episode, of course, came the news about the cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/72 "2010-08-17T21:01:10Z")
Has anybody ever wondered if the series is going to end with Don (or Roger, or _somebody_ who’s a regular) jumping out a window (i.e. the opening credits were dangling it in front of the audience the whole time)? Personally I’d like to see the final season whenever it happens span decades and see Don in the age of infomercials and google ads. He’d be in his mid to late 80s today but there are execs who’ve stayed at the helm of an industry that wrong- Bert Cooper isn’t much younger than that. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/73 "2010-08-17T21:12:55Z")
In the long run, I want to see Don develop emphysema, liver disease, heart disease, rosacea, and erectile dysfunction. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/74 "2010-08-17T22:03:16Z")
Finally an episode about the office. And look at how much better this ep was than any of the previous. Do you also get the feeling that Matthew Weiner sits out in Hollywood and listens to all the people telling him that they hate the Betty scenes and that Don’s California scenes are deadly slow and thinks, “I don’t care. It’s my show and you will so too like all the stuff I like, no matter how boring they are and how bad I am at writing them!” He needs to do something with Don. Both Peggy and Pete showed nice character advancement in this episode and Don is stuck acting like a jerk. Again. It’s Peggy’s show now. We could lose Don and not miss him, either for character or for plot. He’s a minor Freddy, just there to say stupid things. Jon Hamm must have been taken aside by Weiner and been told to wait for the second half of the season or else he’s looking at a career ended in public. No more hosting SNL for this year’s mopey Don Draper. One other thing that only writers would notice: nobody in real life has the superpower that allows them to insert a piece of paper into a manual typewriter without having to adjust it before typing. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/75 "2010-08-17T22:36:23Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Jon Hamm must have been taken aside by Weiner and been told to wait for the second half of the season or else he’s looking at a career ended in public. No more hosting SNL for this year’s mopey Don Draper. The implication is he’s sliding towards a romance with (Dr.) Fay(e) Fisher, which makes me think he’s not. Perhaps they’ll bring some romance on from left field (a hippie, or Lane’s frigid wife, one of the Supremes, a mafia princess or a one legged welfare mother 10 years his senior from Queens) who’ll re-light him. ---
**Author:** ![markdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@markdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markdash)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/76 "2010-08-17T22:58:12Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > > > Jon Hamm must have been taken aside by Weiner and been told to wait for the second half of the season or else he’s looking at a career ended in public. No more hosting SNL for this year’s mopey Don Draper. > > The implication is he’s sliding towards a romance with (Dr.) Fay(e) Fisher, which makes me think he’s not. Perhaps they’ll bring some romance on from left field (a hippie, or Lane’s frigid wife, one of the Supremes, a mafia princess or a one legged welfare mother 10 years his senior from Queens) who’ll re-light him. Maybe he’ll bring his across-the-hall neighbor some pears… ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/77 "2010-08-17T23:04:49Z")
What we need is to be reminded why everyone thinks he’s a genius. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/78 "2010-08-17T23:06:16Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Do you also get the feeling that Matthew Weiner sits out in Hollywood and listens to all the people telling him that they hate the Betty scenes and that Don’s California scenes are deadly slow and thinks, “I don’t care. It’s my show and you will so too like all the stuff I like, no matter how boring they are and how bad I am at writing them!” > . Are you a writer? 1. I don’t think he thinks he’s writing those scenes badly 2. Writers write what they think is good. Your inner dialogue about “what I like” and “what they like” makes no sense ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/79 "2010-08-17T23:08:44Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > > > Do you also get the feeling that Matthew Weiner sits out in Hollywood and listens to all the people telling him that they hate the Betty scenes and that Don’s California scenes are deadly slow and thinks, “I don’t care. It’s my show and you will so too like all the stuff I like, no matter how boring they are and how bad I am at writing them!” > > . > > Are you a writer? > > 1. I don’t think he thinks he’s writing those scenes badly > > 2. Writers write what they think is good. Your inner dialogue about “what I like” and “what they like” makes no sense He is a writer. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376/80 "2010-08-17T23:13:52Z")
I had the impression that was the case. It’s what made it do strange to see him imply that Weiner could intentionally write something objectively bad while bring capable of writing something objectively good. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-04-the-rejected-open-spoilers/550376.md?page=5)