Why would you think of Henry when Glenn the Creep has already been shown talking to Sally about sex?
And 10 is not necessarily too young.
He’ll soon start a new agency with McMann, grow a moustache, change his name to Larry Tate and lean constantly and increasingly on his chief man who he fires a lot to pull the clients back in.
Actually, that was my first thoughts, though not about Henry specifically (I agree Glen is a candidate too). On the other hand, there are plenty of perfectly healthy and well-adjusted girls who masturbate, or experiment with masturbation, before puberty.
She’s ten? No, that’s not too young. And that’s all I’m gonna say about that.
Oh, about 5000 people all over the internet have mentioned that possibility.
If so, why did he suggest she see a shrink? Wouldn’t that kind of blow his cover? If he likes childlike women, he’s already got Betty.
No and No.
Thank you for some sense.
The only serious candidate for a molester was Grandpa. That’s not a likely scenario, but it’s at a much higher level of possibility than Henry. (From what we’ve seen so far. They can always turn around next week and show us something new.)
My mother was worried about my niece when she walked in on her masturbating- or really more ‘playing with herself’ as opposed to full on masturbating- when she was about 5 or 6 years old. She was concerned about molestation and wanted to learn all she could- she acted as if she’d never heard of such a thing even though she was a girl herself once of course and she had a daughter. She asked a couple of child therapists she knew professionally about it (as a hypothetical of course) and I asked one of my best friends, who’s also a child psycholgoist, as well as a co-worker I knew well who had well adjusted daughters and ALL of them said “Don’t worry about it”. Apparently many if not most children find out perfectly innocently that touching it can feel good and so they do it.
In the lists of possible signs a child is being molested (most of which are variants of these), the only one that’s at all close to masturbation is
And of course the whole “define inappropriate” thing kicks in. If she does it in public or constantly (i.e. every time you walk in on her alone in a room she’s at it) then it would probably be inappropriate but in privacy using reasonable discretion, not so much.
Betty and the other girl’s mother probably both grew up in households like my real life mother did where sex vaguely sinful or disgusting but mostly just not talked about at all. Betty loves that saddle and the other girl’s mother probably has her ‘man but sitting on this dryer feels good… I guess it’s the heat and the cleanness’ self delusions as well.
Remember Sally was showing signs of interest in sexual matters years before – her conversation about “big ones” with Joan and her quizzing Paul whether he lies on top of his girlfriend.
So if I may steer the conversation away from child masturbation for a moment; anybody else wondering if we might see SCDP hire an African-American as say a copywriter or accountant this season? I mean it is 1965, and Pete’s made a big seal about wanting to go after the “Nego market”. Sooner or later they’re going to realize it might behoove them to have a token Black.
Otherwise they’re going to end up putting a suit on one of the cleaners the first time they have a Black client. Remember season one when they were wooing Menken’s Dept. Stores and Roger had to pretend a mail clerk (the only Jew at SC) was a copywriter and Don thought he was the client? 
I don’t think Don, Pete, Lane, or Burt would have much of a problem, and Roger’s capable of setting whatever prejudices he has aside for financial reasons. It’d certainly be an interesting storyline.
Check out The Other Mad Men for an analysis of blacks in advertising in the 1960s.
They existed but were very few and far between. A 1963 study (it’s a pdf of a book chapter: go to p. 128) found fewer than 25 blacks in creative positions among the 20,000 employees of the ten largest agencies. They were small in number even compared to women. (I don’t know of any black women.) Most of the ones in the field worked for black agencies that specialized in the black market (which allowed the white firms to claim that they didn’t have to right experience to get hired). The white agencies would contract with them if need be. There’s also a pattern to the names given in that article. They were all hired by the very largest agencies. Which makes sense. Very large agencies not only had more need to be seen to hire a black, but also could hide the black far more effectively if a client didn’t want to see one. Mad Men already has had a half dozen episodes about clients not wanting to see certain individuals. And SCDP is incredibly tiny compared to a 2000 person firm.
The black market was beginning to grow in the 1960s, but like most things that are associated with the 1960s, the real growth didn’t happen until the 1970s. One interesting book on that history is Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben, and Rastus: Blacks in Advertising, Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow, by Marilyn Kern-Foxworth.
What that article doesn’t touch on is Bert Cooper’s blatant bigotry. Roger can get shouted down on the Japanese because they represent millions. Hiring a black gets them nothing that Bert would consider a return. He’s have to leave first.
That may be a coming plot line, but if I had to guess it won’t be this year.
Rewatched the episode. (It’s the first one this season that’s worth rewatching so soon. Almost as good as the Season 3 finale.)
Sally clearly says it was a girl at school that told her the non-facts of life. I also think Glen’s family has moved far enough away that Glen and Sally no longer are in the same school. I think Glen is clearly out.
That scene with Sally is jus so … icky. Could have been worse, could have been
Leo G. Carroll.
I like tracking people across shows. Interesting bit about this episode:
Nora Zehetner plays Phoebe, the nurse. She was a doctor last season on Grey’s Anatomy.
Patricia Bethune plays Dr. Edna. She was a nurse in the early years on Grey’s Anatomy.
Kevin Rahm plays Ted Chaough, who didn’t see Don’s trick coming. He was PotW on Grey’s Anatomy in a very early episode. He played a psychic. Guess he lost that ability.
(Amy Sloan plays Jean Rose was the wife of a patient on GA, but no big deal in either show.)
As to the goof.
Pay close attention to the stethoscope when Phoebe and Bobby are interacting.
I’m not so sure about that. The Francises and [del]Bishops[/del] [inset Helen’s new husband’s name] were buying Christmas trees at the same lot and Glen and a friend were able to easily show up that the house & break in when nobody home.
And Sally had a very happy smile on her face when she discovered Glen’s lanyard under her pillow and realized that he had done the vandalism.
The head honcho from Honda was the same actor who was in a Seinfeld episode about the Super Terrific Happy Hour, when Jerry and George were pitching the show to the Japanese TV people.
Anna Camp plays Bethany van Camp, Don’s quasi-girlfriend. She was Candace Dystra, 4th runner-up to Miss Ohio and show choir sectionals judge in the final episode of the first season of Glee.
Hardly important but when I see her on Mad Men now, I’ve got to think of her objection to deaf kids being in show choir because they “were just up there… honking… and frankly making some of us feel very uncomfortable.”
I’m rewatching the episode and was prompted to look up Benihana in Wikipedia. I hadn’t realized how new the Benihana restaurant was at the time. Apparently it only opened in 1964 and wasn’t popular until a rave review in the New York Herald Tribune in early 1965. So my guess is that Don took his date there after reading that review. And earlier this season, Don ate dinner at Jimmy’s La Grange, which was also a popular restaurant at the time. (It got two stars from the New York Times a few months after Don Draper’s visit.)
Correcting myself: Bethany van Nuys