# Mad-Men: 4.07 "The Suitcase" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 6, 2010, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742 "2010-09-06T02:03:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/41 "2010-09-07T00:10:31Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > Can you say ‘shit’ on TV now? Don used it. I’ve heard a crapload of 'crap’s on TV over the years, but not ‘shit’. The FCC has no control over what you do or say on non-broadcast channels. Cable networks can air whatever they please, but they have to answer to their advertisers and so they tend to keep things clean. They do tend to only air that kind of stuff after 9pm though (a big reason “Louie” is on so late, 11P EST, on FX… They’re more lax w/ the censorship at that hour.) Obviously, A&E isn’t worried about losing ad revenue with an occasional “Shit.” FX used it more than once on “The Shield” as well. Comedy Central airs completely uncensored movies at midnight or 1AM occasionally, with all of the language and sometimes nudity left intact. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/42 "2010-09-07T00:12:54Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > That crew in the restaurant with the boyfriend, Peggy’s family made me laugh. They all looked like they stepped right out of a Gary Larson comic strip. All they needed was a fat kid with a brush cut, glasses, and buck teeth. > > Can you say ‘shit’ on TV now? Don used it. I’ve heard a crapload of 'crap’s on TV over the years, but not ‘shit’. You can show and say anything on cable, because the FCC has no say there. The only consideration is is losing sponsors. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/43 "2010-09-07T00:14:28Z")
That’s right, cable TV is different. I saw “Withnail & I” late at night on TCM, just one time, and the ‘fooks’ were flying non-stop. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/44 "2010-09-07T00:23:47Z")
Frankly, I don’t find Duck any more vile than Don or Roger. He’s just at a different stage. And “murdered” his dog? No specific intent to cause death, or even to expect it to be likely. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/45 "2010-09-07T01:08:09Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > Frankly, I don’t find Duck any more vile than Don or Roger. He’s just at a different stage. > > And “murdered” his dog? No specific intent to cause death, or even to expect it to be likely. Well, at the end Peggy kicked Duck out on the street, just like Duck let Chauncey go! She probably had a word with security & made sure SCDP’s door was locked when she came back upstairs. She _might_ have called a cab… (I just found Duck a bit smarmy.) ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/46 "2010-09-07T01:43:09Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > > [@salinqmind](#): > > > > Can you say ‘shit’ on TV now? Don used it. I’ve heard a crapload of 'crap’s on TV over the years, but not ‘shit’. > > You can show and say anything on cable, because the FCC has no say there. The only consideration is is losing sponsors. According to Vince Gilligan, who runs the show Breaking Bad, AMC lets them say “shit” four times during the season. It lets them say “fuck” with sound dropped only once per season. Also, does anyone else think that Don was lied to about Anna’s illness? It’s seems too flashy for Mad Men, but Anna’s niece did conveniently come up with excuses for why Don shouldn’t fly to California and why Don should keep paying for the house. Sounds a little fishy to me. ---
**Author:** ![Yaxche](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8dc957/32.png) [@Yaxche](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yaxche)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/47 "2010-09-07T04:11:55Z")
Loved this one, loved the last two after what I thought was a slow start. I think the questions popping about Peggy being “pretty” are somewhat related to the shot with Don in her lap falling asleep. Did a perfect job of lighting and makeup to the point the Peggy hit a proverbial ‘good side’ (I agree with the “hollywood-ugly” statement above, by the way, easily a very attractive woman), and Don just looked his stretched-and-bloated worst. Intentional, and really contrasted perfectly. Why do we find that attractive? And, though I’m not a Peggy person, this episode had me rooting for her immensely. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/48 "2010-09-07T04:26:13Z")
Now that we know who Dr. Lyle Evans was I wish I could remember the exact context of the quote. Obviously it had to do with being emasculated. Was Burt present when Roger said that? ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/49 "2010-09-07T04:44:18Z")
Hope it had nothing to do with the Queen of Perversions. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/50 "2010-09-07T05:03:36Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Now that we know who Dr. Lyle Evans was I wish I could remember the exact context of the quote. Obviously it had to do with being emasculated. > > Was Burt present when Roger said that? Yes, he said it to Burt’s face while they were in the meeting with the men from Honda. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/51 "2010-09-07T06:43:06Z")
Don and Roger are drinking during work as usual, Don to the point of puking Roger is skipping away from two AA members to go drink Duck is so in the throws of alcoholism he’s trying to shit in (what he thinks is) Don’s office Do you think that the writers are being preachy or that they’re trying to give Don a wake up call or… what? ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/52 "2010-09-07T06:56:04Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Now that we know who Dr. Lyle Evans was I wish I could remember the exact context of the quote. Obviously it had to do with being emasculated. > > Was Burt present when Roger said that? Here [http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/08/mad-meme-dr-lyle-evans-we-presume.html](http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/08/mad-meme-dr-lyle-evans-we-presume.html) ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/53 "2010-09-07T07:02:43Z")
[Here’s what the Dr. did to Bert Cooper](http://www.tc-cancer.com/orch.html). Roger calls it an “unnecessary orchiectomy,” ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/54 "2010-09-07T12:10:59Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > …Also, does anyone else think that Don was lied to about Anna’s illness? It’s seems too flashy for Mad Men, but Anna’s niece did conveniently come up with excuses for why Don shouldn’t fly to California and why Don should keep paying for the house. Sounds a little fishy to me. No, _why_ would Anna’s family lie? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/55 "2010-09-07T12:48:02Z")
Did anyone catch the look of teror on Pete’s face when he saw Peggy and Trudy stepping out of the bathroom together? ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/56 "2010-09-07T12:58:01Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > > [@Lakai](#): > > > > …Also, does anyone else think that Don was lied to about Anna’s illness? It’s seems too flashy for Mad Men, but Anna’s niece did conveniently come up with excuses for why Don shouldn’t fly to California and why Don should keep paying for the house. Sounds a little fishy to me. > > No, _why_ would Anna’s family lie? And how would they stop Anna from potentially contacting Don? Unless Anna was in on the ruse, which seems totally contrary to everything we know about the character. I don’t see this as a possibility. It wasn’t until this thread that I noticed the “Dr. Lyle Evans” reference. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/57 "2010-09-07T14:01:36Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Anna’s niece did conveniently come up with excuses for why Don shouldn’t fly to California and why Don should keep paying for the house. I assumed the house was paid for but Don wanted to come out and handle selling it as “something to do” after he was told there wouldn’t be funeral arrangements. I get the feeling that the niece was just closer to Anna than to her mother in some ways and legitimately wanted to stay in the home. And that having Don around would just complicate things during a period when there really wasn’t anything for him to “fix”. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/58 "2010-09-07T14:24:28Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Did anyone catch the look of teror on Pete’s face when he saw Peggy and Trudy stepping out of the bathroom together? Yep. Do you think he’ll ever be comfortable with those two being alone together? Anyone catch Duck mention trying to hire that “queer Belle Jolie guy” (a reference to the guy who unsuccessfully acme on to Sal in season one). ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/59 "2010-09-07T16:15:14Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Is Peggy meant to be objectively attractive? I, personally, find her to be very plain physically but I’ve heard enough comments both within the show and in discussions outside to wonder if I’m reading it all wrong. > > I personally peg her about a 3/10, does that jibe with your assessment? I don’t think _objectively attractive_ has any meaning. I find Peggy far, far better looking than Joan, for instance, even though Joan has a far more vivacious & assertive personality. And they both blow Betty out of the water, though they may be in part because Betty is such an unpleasant harridan that I cannot imagine wanting to be in the same room with her. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742/60 "2010-09-07T16:27:12Z")
Just realized that Trudy is the same actress that plays Annie on _Community_. Best episode of the season by far. Peggy is really struggling with the concept that she can actually have a career and not have to get married and have kids as so many expect. I think emotionally she knows it, but it is hard to get past the indoctrination of the times. “This is Roger’s office.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-07-the-suitcase-open-spoilers/552742.md?page=4)