# Mad-Men: 4.10 "Hands & Knees" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 27, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166 "2010-09-27T01:17:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/181 "2010-09-30T14:06:17Z")
> [@shy\_guy](#): > > > [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > > > I think that was easily the shittiest thing anybody in SCDP has ever done to the company and each other. Don might have lost them $4 million, but he’s still working every day to build the agency into something beyond clouds in the sky. Roger is a waste of time and resources, and now he won’t even give them lube for the, well, rogering they’re about to receive. > > I’m wondering exactly what Roger thinks he’s going to _do_ with the 30-day reprieve he begged for. He could land every single account in his dusty Rolodex (he won’t, and he probably won’t land any) and I can’t imagine it would make up for the loss of Lucky Strike. Roger is scrambling for his life. Without Lucky Strike he has (essentially) nothing. As Pryce pointed out, Roger is a “child”. He was handed Lucky Strike and that’s been his main stay. The odd thing is that he seemed like he was far more involved in the day to day problem solving in the earlier episodes at the original firm, and was more hands on. In the new scenario he just appears to waste his time screwing around the office dictating his memoirs. Re Don he comes across as so manly and suave and talented in some situations it’s easy to forget that, at root, he’s kind of a coward (on a certain level) who is prone to wild panic attacks. It’s a credit to Hamm’s acting that he brings all this vividly to life. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/182 "2010-09-30T14:21:14Z")
> [@shy\_guy](#): > > I have to say I disagree with virtually all of **kevja’s** criticisms of the episode. In particular, I don’t see Don’s reaction to the government investigation into his life in this episode as a retread of what happened when Betty found out. I cringed so hard when Don asked Harry about the tickets and Harry promised he’d come through with them. I buy media at an ad agency and free tickets to fun events is one of the neat perks of the job, but those promised tickets to hot events falling through happens so often that I was shocked that Harry’s contact came through with them. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/183 "2010-10-02T22:50:36Z")
Lee Jr. said something about the “corporate board” wanting to put “all the brands” into the same advertising agency. This touched on something I’ve wondered for a long time – Lucky Strikes had been part of a giant conglomerate since the 1880s or so. Until the 1910s, American Tobacco controlled about 90 percent of the U.S. tobacco market, until they were broken up by the Federal Trade Commission. It makes no sense to me that in the 1960s one of their many brands would still be under the direction of the members of the family that founded the company. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166.md?page=9)