# Mad-Men: 4.10 "Hands & Knees" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 27, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166 "2010-09-27T01:17:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BaneSidhe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c5a1d2/32.png) [@BaneSidhe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BaneSidhe)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/21 "2010-09-27T04:40:17Z")
Thank Og Sally finally had something nice happen to her. I loved her SQUEE of happiness and Don holding the phone out so he wouldn’t be deafened. Poor Lane. I do hope he comes back from the UK and starts a new life. You folks probably heard me yelling “YOU STUPID MOTHER====ER HOW DARE YOU SMACK YOUR GROWN UP SON!!” all the way to the North Pole. What a bastard and a half. Excellent episode! ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/22 "2010-09-27T05:29:58Z")
> [@Gestalt](#): > > I actually didn’t quite understand Pryce the Elder’s statement along the lines of, “get your affairs in order, either over there or over here. You can’t be in between.” > > Anyone have any insight? Meaning he has to put it all back together and be a family man, whether it’s in the states or across the pond. ---
**Author:** ![Gestalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@Gestalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gestalt)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/23 "2010-09-27T05:43:47Z")
How can he be a family man in the states? Drag his wife and kids back over? ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/24 "2010-09-27T05:49:18Z")
I have to admit, I spent most of the time more concerned about whether Sally was going to the concert. I don’t think I would have been able to handle the terrible disappointment of Don not getting the tickets… Turns out it’s the only good thing that happens to anybody. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/25 "2010-09-27T05:52:55Z")
Count me in as waiting for the Beatles tickets not to come through. I thought to myself “if that happens, Sally is definitely going to kill someone.” So glad that Sally had something good happen to her. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/26 "2010-09-27T06:12:25Z")
> [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > I have to admit, I spent most of the time more concerned about whether Sally was going to the concert. I don’t think I would have been able to handle the terrible disappointment of Don not getting the tickets… And it’s been such a long time since anything good has happened to Sally. That was my major concern, that she’d get screwed out of the tickets. For anyone who cares, they played Shea Stadium August 15, 1965. I liked the convention of first Joan then Faye pretending to have business conversations by opening the office doors and yelling something vaguely professionalish as they walked out the rooms. It was well bookended. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/27 "2010-09-27T06:17:12Z")
> [@Gestalt](#): > > How can he be a family man in the states? Drag his wife and kids back over? Yes. His father strikes him about the head with a cane and draws blood. He’d be right in line with Lane putting his foot down (on his wife’s neck if need be) and getting his shit together enough to present a proper appearance - regardless of the side of the pond. Cane aside, and forty-some years later, I can easily picture my father arguing the same point. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/28 "2010-09-27T06:24:01Z")
Anybody else get the feeling that Papa Pryce might have been lying about having worked as a surgical supply salesman? Those were some AARP James Bond villain moves, plus he seems to have more claim to Lane than filial duty. My main complaint about this season has been the lack of a story arc. Didn’t realize they were saving them in a bag to release them all at once. Great acting by Hamm when he thought the G men were coming for him in the hallway, and then immediately afterwards. (This has totally been the season for those who’ve thought previous seasons had too little of Don vomiting.) ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/29 "2010-09-27T06:25:42Z")
I did not like that look Don was giving Meghan at the end. He is such a DOG. Although I think, oddly, Faye knowing everything about him ruins it for him. You’d think it would be a relief, but he really needs to be idealized. Oh, yeah, Pete, you have NO secrets hanging over your pointy little head :rolleyes:. Don had better not take Meghan to the Beatles, that’s all I have to say. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/30 "2010-09-27T06:56:41Z")
> [@jellyblue](#): > > I did not like that look Don was giving Meghan at the end. He is such a DOG. Although I think, oddly, Faye knowing everything about him ruins it for him. You’d think it would be a relief, but he really needs to be idealized. Had the same reaction to Don’s gaze on Megan–could you stop chasing skirts for just a second, Don? Let me introduce you to your hand and some lotion. A friend mentioned this about the Dr. Faye relationship, and I may’ve missed it–I wasn’t as attentive this week as I usually am, but I don’t remember seeing them on screen together again–other than a very brief ‘check up’ from Faye–in the rest of the episode. > [@jellyblue](#): > > Oh, yeah, Pete, you have NO secrets hanging over your pointy little head :rolleyes:. But Don doesn’t know who the father of Peggy’s kid was–it’s not _quite_ as symmetrical as all that. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/31 "2010-09-27T07:25:34Z")
> [@LawMonkey](#): > > > [@jellyblue](#): > > > > Oh, yeah, Pete, you have NO secrets hanging over your pointy little head :rolleyes:. > > But Don doesn’t know who the father of Peggy’s kid was–it’s not _quite_ as symmetrical as all that. Also, hiding the fact that you knocked up a secretary is a little less serious than hiding the fact that you stole somebody’s identity and deserted. ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/32 "2010-09-27T07:59:35Z")
Oh, I wasn’t comparing. I just thought he was being _independently_ sanctimonious. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/33 "2010-09-27T09:54:20Z")
It’s weird how Don used to be Mr. Cool and Pete was the weasel, and now he’s just a sweaty weasel while Pete is standing up and taking body blows for him. In real life what would normally happen once they dropped the account, would the background check process really cease immediately? ---
**Author:** ![Caprese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9a28c/32.png) [@Caprese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caprese)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/34 "2010-09-27T10:42:55Z")
Joan saying her daughter was 15, and then her lonely bus ride home. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/35 "2010-09-27T12:20:05Z")
> [@astro](#): > > In real life what would normally happen once they dropped the account, would the background check process really cease immediately? No one was flagged as suspicious so I’d assume they’d drop it. No reason to send federal agents around door to door just for fun. ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/36 "2010-09-27T12:36:24Z")
> [@Caprese](#): > > Joan saying her daughter was 15, and then her lonely bus ride home. ☹ Of the many sadnesses last night, that one was the most profound for me. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/37 "2010-09-27T13:01:04Z")
But Pete did say Don was flagged. I’m still shaking my head at the many body (and head) blows everyone took this episode. And I didn’t realize how much I was holding my breath until Meghan gave him those tickets! ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/38 "2010-09-27T13:07:53Z")
Another thing. When the heck did Don and Pete ever have a talk about the specifics of what his identity switch reasons were. IIRC Pete knew he had changed his name and that he was Dick Whitman originally, but that was about it. Don just blurts out “it’s desertion” and Pete acts like he knows exactly what happened. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/39 "2010-09-27T13:08:59Z")
> [@singular1](#): > > But Pete did say Don was flagged. > > I’m still shaking my head at the many body (and head) blows everyone took this episode. And I didn’t realize how much I was holding my breath until Meghan gave him those tickets! IIRC he said his report was NOT flagged. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166/40 "2010-09-27T13:13:42Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > That should be interesting. BTW, would SCDP really have any hope of keeping that contract after the DoD discovered the truth about Don? :dubious: It’s the height of the Cold War, involvement in Vietnam is getting deeper; would a government contractor (that deals with highly classified tech) really want anything to do with a company who’s senior partner just got outed as a deserter who lied trying to ger a security clearance? If Don’s story came to light, the North American Aviation contract would be the least of their worries. I think it would pretty much kill the agency. (Assuming the loss of Lucky Strike and North American Aviation doesn’t already do so.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-10-hands-knees-open-spoilers/555166.md?page=3)