# Mad-Men: 4.13 "Tomorrowland", SEASON FINALE, (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 17, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495 "2010-10-17T23:43:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/181 "2010-10-20T19:40:10Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > Thanks for the warning. I can’t understand how someone can enjoy a show while scrutinizing all this technical stuff. It’s the other way around. I enjoy the show _more_ because of the pleasure of noting such things. I am baffled by people’s negative reaction to those who fully watching a show. I _watch_ a show. I pay attention. I can really get into a show. That’s a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/182 "2010-10-20T19:52:33Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > It’s mentioned that the partnership agreement obliges them to do this if necessary, and Pete says that if he refuses or is unable to do so, he’ll lose his partnership. Thus it seems to me that Bert can likely absent himself from the firm simply by refusing to pay up. (I don’t know how this would change his obligations regarding repayment of debt.) Didn’t the call out for cash from Lane come before Don’s _New York Times_ shenanigans? It’s perfectly possible that Cooper had already paid before he “quit” (although we both already agree that he probably didn’t actually sever his relationship with SCDP). ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/183 "2010-10-20T19:56:10Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > It’s the other way around. I enjoy the show _more_ because of the pleasure of noting such things. I am baffled by people’s negative reaction to those who fully watching a show. I _watch_ a show. I pay attention. I can really get into a show. That’s a good thing. Anything that takes me out of the suspension of disbelief during a presentation is a negative. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/184 "2010-10-20T19:56:12Z")
In a previous thread on the show, someone suggested that Bert Cooper said he was going home because he didn’t want to be around for the layoffs (the weeping and the goodbyes and all that). ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/185 "2010-10-20T19:57:20Z")
I think that was me, but on second viewing, it really did look like Cooper was quitting. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/186 "2010-10-20T20:05:12Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > It might be too late for this, but so far as I can tell, the correct spelling is **Megan Calvet**. Who the hell is that? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/187 "2010-10-20T20:06:49Z")
You’re Roger Sterling, right? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/188 "2010-10-20T20:08:24Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Didn’t the call out for cash from Lane come before Don’s _New York Times_ shenanigans? It’s perfectly possible that Cooper had already paid before he “quit” (although we both already agree that he probably didn’t actually sever his relationship with SCDP). You recall correctly. I was just thinking out loud why I don’t believe Bert’s actually quit. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/189 "2010-10-20T20:11:06Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > You’re Roger Sterling, right? Ding! Ding! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/190 "2010-10-20T20:40:38Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Note to one and all: It’s Megan. Not Meghan. This has been pointed out in previous threads. And she’s the son of Richard Harris and played the mom in the Karate Kid movie. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/191 "2010-10-20T20:45:10Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I picture the next season opening with Joan, her hair in a pageboy, holding a baby girl in the office while everybody oohs and ahhs how beautiful the baby, Anna, is. When they’ve finished she hands the baby back to its parents, Don and Meghan, and a picture of her own 2 year old is seen in the background and the year’s identified as 1968. I can totally get behind this. But one potential issue is the actress who plays Sally. Matt Weiner is really impressed with her work and she played a big part in this season’s story. Can she look two years older by next season? Probably. A lot can be done with hair and clothes to make a kid look older. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/192 "2010-10-20T20:46:28Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I can totally get behind this. But one potential issue is the actress who plays Sally. Matt Weiner is really impressed with her work and she played a big part in this season’s story. Can she look two years older by next season? Probably. A lot can be done with hair and clothes to make a kid look older. And hormone shots. Take her to the same doctor who rumor says keeps Justin Bieber from hitting puberty and ask him or her for the antidote. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/193 "2010-10-20T20:47:14Z")
> [@The\_Weird\_One](#): > > He wasn’t just staring off into space. In a couple episodes now, we’ve seen a woman in the next building over, painting in front of her window and making eyes at Don when she catches his gaze. When the camera followed Don’s gaze in the last scene, it panned out the window and briefly showed her apartment with the easel set up. Maybe she’ll come into his life in some way next season, maybe it’s a sign that Midge will play a larger role. Oh-oh! When Don gives a woman The Gaze (the schoolteacher dancing around the maypole last season, Megan putting on lipstick, right after he got the Beatles tickets) - it can only lead to one thing! (But I never noticed a woman in the next building. I kind of thought Don and the nurse who lives in his building would hook up, but it was not to be.) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/194 "2010-10-20T20:53:30Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > Oh-oh! When Don gives a woman The Gaze (the schoolteacher dancing around the maypole last season, Megan putting on lipstick, right after he got the Beatles tickets) - it can only lead to one thing! (But I never noticed a woman in the next building. I kind of thought Don and the nurse who lives in his building would hook up, but it was not to be.) Hysterically parodied in an episode of _Community_ when the socially awkward pop culture geek Abed becomes a suave ladies man by [channeling Don Draper](http://vimeo.com/10399040). (For extra meta-humor, Alison Brie who plays Trudy on _Mad Men_ is Annie on _Community_.) ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/195 "2010-10-20T21:40:49Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > Oh-oh! When Don gives a woman The Gaze (the schoolteacher dancing around the maypole last season, Megan putting on lipstick, right after he got the Beatles tickets) - it can only lead to one thing! (But I never noticed a woman in the next building. I kind of thought Don and the nurse who lives in his building would hook up, but it was not to be.) I tried to see what could be in the window across the way but it just seemed to be a blur to me. I don’t remember any woman in the next building. If so, that’s another weird linkage with Rubicon, which had a long plot thread about the protagonist and the woman he kept watching in the building across the way. They’re also in Greenwich Village, I think. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/196 "2010-10-21T02:12:34Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > And regarding Faye: She doesn’t know who Don is (i.e., Dick Whitman), she just knows that he isn’t really Don Draper. She can of course use this against them. The two extremes are: > > 1. Going nuclear. Let all of Madison Avenue know about this. Try to kill Don’s career. > > 2. A surgical strike. Just tell Megan in order to ruin the engagement. Perhaps even an anonymous tip so that it’s not traced back to her and she would try to get Don back. > > 3. Tell **Opal**. > > But having Faye’s dad exact a physical revenge fits in more with why Faye’s back story was filled in this way. I’m not sure if this is serious, but the suggestion that Faye is going to be out to get Don after the events of the season finale is totally contrary to everything we know about her. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/197 "2010-10-21T02:24:25Z")
To age up Sally: grow out her hair, put her in a miniskirt (lose the socks!), padded bra, and some white go-go boots, Yardley makeup. Have her slump and slow down her movements, affect a sullen attitude, and hang out with some slightly older, more sophisticated friends. She’ll come across as at least 16. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/198 "2010-10-21T02:32:52Z")
Also film her scenes last. She’s on the cusp of puberty anyway so by the final weeks of shooting she’ll probably be there. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/199 "2010-10-21T02:36:52Z")
> [@Yaxche](#): > > Just watched it, as we are ‘on demand’ viewers, don’t have cable… > > Anyway, a ‘meh’ for me. They don’t have to wow me with a cliff hanger. Really last season wasn’t even a cliff hanger, just a reset button. Whatever you think of each season, if either of them is pressing a reset one it’s clearly [this season’s finale.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7NHCy13ZLk) ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/200 "2010-10-21T03:32:16Z")
If anything they will \*have to \*bump the timeline up a few years if Kieran Shipka hits a growth spurt, which would not be unusual for her age. A [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495.md?page=11)