# Mad-Men: 4.13 "Tomorrowland", SEASON FINALE, (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 17, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495 "2010-10-17T23:43:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![markdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@markdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markdash)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/21 "2010-10-18T06:21:14Z")
> [@Dignan](#): > > The episode did seem kind of strange. I felt so awful for Faye. The character seems like such a nice person, and she was so sad and hurt to hear Don was engaged. I thought they were good together. Maybe she wasn’t good with kids, but she and Don seemed like a good match. Of course, we knew that once Don admitted his background to Faye, and then eyed Megan, Don and Faye wouldn’t last. I also feel kind of sorry for Faye, but she A) predicted that Don would be re-married within a year, so she should have known what kind of person she was getting involved with, and B) she compromised her own professional ethics to get Don the interview with Heinz. So it’s part “you should know better” and part “he wasn’t good for you, anyway.” ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/22 "2010-10-18T06:39:05Z")
I think Don’s ditching Faye was a horrible thing to do to her, but maybe he chose Megan because she was beautiful, nearby, available, and good with his kids. Who knows, maybe learning that Betty fired Carla made him realize the kids would need him more than ever, and a pretty young stepmother certainly would come in handy. But he didn’t have to look so darned happy about it, breaking the news to the office! :mad: What was with those shots of Don in his hotel room, staring off into space? That made me very uneasy. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/23 "2010-10-18T06:42:27Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > …maybe he chose Megan because she was beautiful… I think this is important. Don told Peggy that Megan has many of the same qualities that he admires in Peggy. The unspoken message here, i think, is that Peggy and Megan might have plenty in common, but Megan is hot. I think also that Peggy realized that this was the case. ---
**Author:** ![kapri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4491bb/32.png) [@kapri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kapri)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/24 "2010-10-18T12:15:44Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I think this is important. > > Don told Peggy that Megan has many of the same qualities that he admires in Peggy. The unspoken message here, i think, is that Peggy and Megan might have plenty in common, but Megan is hot. I think also that Peggy realized that this was the case. Yes! I also thought that while watching. The scene between Joan and Peggy was spot-on–just what would happen in real life. I liked Don more this episode because of how much he wanted his kids to have a good time, but disliked how he treated Fay. But she sure was right when she said he only liked the beginnings of things. Smart woman–too smart for Don. Betty is so messed up. Can someone remind me why she hates Glenn so much? I watched the show only sporadically the first two seasons. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/25 "2010-10-18T12:30:43Z")
It’s kind of hard to explain why Baetty hates Glenn. Just decribing the incudents between them doesn’t nevessaril Make rhings obvious. He’s kind of like an ex-boyfriend of hers. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/26 "2010-10-18T12:46:00Z")
Well, _that_ was a hot mess. Some of the parts could have been interesting, in isolation… were this not the freakin’ season finale. It was like this season built up to an anticlimax. Meh. ---
**Author:** ![AutumnLeaves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@AutumnLeaves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AutumnLeaves)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/27 "2010-10-18T12:57:43Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > The conversation between Peggy and Joan was fantastic, and I’m thrilled that Joan is still pregnant, both because I think it’s awesome and because I’m now up $100. > > The Megan thing is… well, how can something be both utterly predictable and utterly bewildering? For your second part: those are the words I’ve been looking for since I watched it. I knew it was coming and hated every second of it, and after every scene ended I was still like WTF? And the Peggy and Joan scene was great. I’m not happy about Joan’s pregnancy only because the show just seems to be becoming repeating plot points. Someone’s pregnant, someone’s marrying their secretary, blah blah blah. There were only two things about the show I can think of as “good things” - the Peggy and Joan scene, and the fact that I found it so disappointing that I won’t be waiting impatiently for the next season to start. ---
**Author:** ![Athena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/35a633/32.png) [@Athena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Athena)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/28 "2010-10-18T13:00:30Z")
Did anyone else think the commercial breaks were awfully abrupt? I mean, commercials always are, but more than one seemed to be placed 10 seconds before the scene was done, if you know what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/29 "2010-10-18T13:36:09Z")
[QUOTE=Marvin Martian] Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom! [/quote] A decent episode on its own, but not at all what I expected from the season finale. First, it was predictable - and this coming from someone who never thinks too far ahead when watching a plot unfold. Second, it was the _season finale_ - I really expected something dramatic and unexpected, something shocking, where today would we all be saying “did you see what happened last night on Mad Men?” You know, Betty committing suicide or the FBI showing up to take Don away or the gay ex-art-director saving the company by bringing new business - something other than, as one noted, a “Hallmark moment”. I still enjoy the show, but it has lost its jarring plot twists common in the first couple of seasons. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/30 "2010-10-18T13:58:09Z")
The biggest question for me is: what the hell am I going to watch now? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/31 "2010-10-18T14:07:06Z")
> [@Dignan](#): > > Joan’s pregnancy will be interesting. People have been suggesting that Greg will die in Vietnam, but what about the possibility that he’s maimed? Then Mel Tillis can write a song about it, that Kenny Rogers could sing. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/32 "2010-10-18T14:14:36Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > The biggest question for me is: what the hell am I going to watch now? Same, but I’m not going to be anxious for next season to begin like I’ve been for the past few years. But when it does begin, that first episode better blow my f’ing doors off with something completely unexpected, or I’m going to start losing interest. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/33 "2010-10-18T14:18:42Z")
After last week’s episode, everyone seemed to think that some big campaign would save the company, perhaps as a result of the Disney trip or the American Cancer Society meeting, but instead Peggy and Ken won a very small account. So presumably over the next six months, they’ll crawl back to solvency. But I wonder in what year the next season will be set. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/34 "2010-10-18T14:33:03Z")
To me it almost felt like a _series_ finale. with the firm’s business starting to pick up and Don and Megan’s happily ever after moment (which gagged me, by the way). The Betty story line felt like closure to where I can’t imagine nor am I very interested what will become of her character. Aside from Joan’s pregnancy, it didn’t have any cliff hangers and, while I’ll definitely miss it and will tune in when it starts again, it’s not as though we’ve been left with any burning questions or situations to really think about or look forward to. Also, am I the only one that cannot stand any of the women Don has been with? I felt sorry for Faye but I couldn’t stand her so I won’t miss her. Megan gets on my nerves with her . . . wide eyed innocence (?), I hated the the other blonde he was seeing, Midge was okay at the begining but her return made me hope for her speedy o.d. I don’t think it’s a case of my “crush” on Don coloring my vision and making me “jealous”. It just seems they cast exceptionally unappealing actresses for him to interact with. ---
**Author:** ![davidw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@davidw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidw)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/35 "2010-10-18T14:39:00Z")
The choice between Megan and Faye was really a choice between remaining under the Don Draper mask or embracing Dick Whitman. Unsurprisingly, he chose to run back to Don Draper. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/36 "2010-10-18T14:49:27Z")
> [@Gestalt](#): > > Joan looks a wee bit pregnant. > > And . . . yay! I’ve been waiting for a Carla-Betty bitchfight for five years. That was awesome. I’m glad Carla finally stood up to her. Except that Carla lost. Also, is it a bitchfight when there’s only one bitch involved? ---
**Author:** ![gallows\_fodder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@gallows\_fodder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallows_fodder)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/37 "2010-10-18T14:52:49Z")
I think it’s hilarious that the one thing Megan thinks she knows about Don is that he’s “got a good heart,” when he doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Chopper9760](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cdc98d/32.png) [@Chopper9760](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chopper9760)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/38 "2010-10-18T14:53:19Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > To me it almost felt like a _series_ finale. with the firm’s business starting to pick up and Don and Megan’s happily ever after moment (which gagged me, by the way). The Betty story line felt like closure to where I can’t imagine nor am I very interested what will become of her character. Aside from Joan’s pregnancy, it didn’t have any cliff hangers and, while I’ll definitely miss it and will tune in when it starts again, it’s not as though we’ve been left with any burning questions or situations to really think about or look forward to. > > Also, am I the only one that cannot stand any of the women Don has been with? I felt sorry for Faye but I couldn’t stand her so I won’t miss her. Megan gets on my nerves with her . . . wide eyed innocence (?), I hated the the other blonde he was seeing, Midge was okay at the begining but her return made me hope for her speedy o.d. I don’t think it’s a case of my “crush” on Don coloring my vision and making me “jealous”. It just seems they cast exceptionally unappealing actresses for him to interact with. I’ve always felt that way about Don’s love interests too. I like Don but I often feel that I shouldn’t, his personal life is a train wreck and he tends to be a philandering dickhole. Still, I like Don. There’s the rub, it would be awfully hard to forgive Don his many sins if he was paired with someone even half way likable. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/39 "2010-10-18T14:54:01Z")
> [@Athena](#): > > Did anyone else think the commercial breaks were awfully abrupt? I mean, commercials always are, but more than one seemed to be placed 10 seconds before the scene was done, if you know what I mean. I noticed this once. I forget the scene, but Peggy’s face was on the screen, and it cut to commercial in an oddly abrupt way, even cutting off the incidental audio in a way that isn’t usual, it seemed. ---
**Author:** ![AutumnLeaves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@AutumnLeaves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AutumnLeaves)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/40 "2010-10-18T14:54:46Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > Also, am I the only one that cannot stand any of the women Don has been with? I felt sorry for Faye but I couldn’t stand her so I won’t miss her. Megan gets on my nerves with her . . . wide eyed innocence (?), I hated the the other blonde he was seeing, Midge was okay at the begining but her return made me hope for her speedy o.d. I don’t think it’s a case of my “crush” on Don coloring my vision and making me “jealous”. It just seems they cast exceptionally unappealing actresses for him to interact with. Faye was growing on me a _bit_, but barely. As I can remember them: I liked Midge initially, opening Don’s world view a little; I hated hated hated the school teacher, who was boring and so self-righteous; can’t stand Megan, bland and clearly attempting to use Don as a career-boost; thought the Bobbie affair made an interesting story, but didn’t care much about it; Bethany was also dull and really brought the stupid to every scene she was in; Alison was sweet and charming though very naive and was just meant for us to see how far Don had fallen. And I loved forever and ever Rachel Menken, who I can only hope we’ll see again though it’s better for the story if she’s the lost love, I think. Don’s equal who got away. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495.md?page=3)