# Mad-Men: 4.13 "Tomorrowland", SEASON FINALE, (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 17, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495 "2010-10-17T23:43:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/141 "2010-10-19T18:20:58Z")
> [@lindsaybluth](#): > > …Does anyone have an explanation for why Joan was promoted in name only? Has she been doing more, or is Lane afraid to lose her after her husband returns a surgeon? > > I wonder when Joan tells people she’s pregnant. Will Roger find out? Or confront her? > > WONDERFUL finale. Not what I was expecting at all. And that’s just what I have come to expect from Mad Men. Joan was promoted because she deserves it & Lane (especially) knows how valuable she is. At this juncture, the company does not have enough money to pay her more. Roger will eventually realize Joan is pregnant. But he already told her that the baby would not be his. No problem; she’s married & her husband is legally the father of any child she bears. By next season, Greg could have returned & taken his little family with him to his next post. Or circumstances might cause Joan to remain at SCDP as a working mother. (There really were some in those days.) We’ll simply have to wait until next summer to find out. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/142 "2010-10-19T18:26:20Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Lol, wut? > > That was a perfectly odd copy/paste error. I had no idea what you were talking about until I saw the link!!! Oops- can you tell I was doping from work??? I can’t get the YouTube link on my phone: Google “I’m not perfect, Pete” and you’ll get it. Oy. ---
**Author:** ![Fried\_Dough\_Ho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e57/32.png) [@Fried\_Dough\_Ho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fried_Dough_Ho)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/143 "2010-10-19T18:27:53Z")
> [@lindsaybluth](#): > > I predict a custody battle between Don and Betty. I would love if Don got the kids. He seems to care for them much more than Betty. I disagree. In that era, men rarely/if ever fought for custody, even if they remarried. They just started new families with new wives and had visitation with their other family. It doesn’t matter if the guy thinks the kids would be better off elsewhere and the kids have “a stable home” with a stay-at-home mom and step-dad. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/144 "2010-10-19T18:28:10Z")
Don is in love with Megan but wasn’t in love with Faye. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/145 "2010-10-19T18:39:45Z")
I assumed that Lane promoted Joan as a result of the bit of bonding they did earlier in the season. Lane does seem to realize how important Joan is to the office, but, as **Bridget Burke** notes, has no more money to give her. I bet next season will begin with Joan’s baby already born, and so we won’t see Roger’s reaction to learning that Joan lied to him. I don’t think it will be that big a deal except insofar as it heightens Roger’s apathy toward his wife and desire to be with Joan. I don’t really see a Francis/Draper custody battle in the works. Don doesn’t seem to have much of a problem with the system he and Betty have going on now, and I really doubt he has any desire to work full-time childcare into his life again, even now that he’s with Megan. Betty clearly still loves and misses Don, and I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if the two of them wind up having an affair next season. ---
**Author:** ![lindsaybluth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90db22/32.png) [@lindsaybluth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lindsaybluth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/146 "2010-10-19T18:54:27Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Concerning Peggy’s evolution: We saw the flashback when Don visited her in the mental ward. He told her to pretend nothing had happened & tell them what they wanted to hear so she could move on. At the time she was not responding to heavy meds & the doctors were probably considering shock therapy; and she was about to lose her job, just after getting a promotion. Um, wasn’t that the maternity ward? ---
**Author:** ![lindsaybluth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90db22/32.png) [@lindsaybluth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lindsaybluth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/147 "2010-10-19T18:56:23Z")
> [@Fried\_Dough\_Ho](#): > > I disagree. In that era, men rarely/if ever fought for custody, even if they remarried. They just started new families with new wives and had visitation with their other family. Yes, but rarely were there women with so much power as there are at SCDP. Plus Don barely knows baby Gene. I can see him going to the mat for them. And Henry Francis being fine with it, allowing Betty to help him focus on the governor/further political ambitions. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/148 "2010-10-19T18:59:06Z")
A divorced, remarried man was just barely not too scandalous to work on a gubernatorial campaign at the time. A divorced, remarried man whose wife lost custody of her kids? Pretty much hosed on the politics front. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/149 "2010-10-19T19:04:11Z")
I don’t know whether there will be a custody battle, but there will be a ton of conflict I think related to the kids. I coulod see a lot of ways this going, Bets having a breakdown of some kind, Sally running away. I just do not see Bats and Don getting back together. ---
**Author:** ![Obsidian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/51bf81/32.png) [@Obsidian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Obsidian)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/150 "2010-10-19T19:13:45Z")
> [@irishgirl](#): > > No doctor alive will believe the kid stayed inside for 4 weeks past its due date. In 1948, my mother was born at 44 weeks, by c-section because there was still no sign of labor. She was 12 lbs. (Mom is 5 foot nothing as an adult) Back then they were a lot less concerned about women going over, because they just didn’t know as much as we do now about why it’s a bad thing. I also think they didn’t have the capability to induce, and a c-section was a much more dangerous thing. My grandmother was in the hospital for 3 weeks afterwards ---
**Author:** ![lindsaybluth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90db22/32.png) [@lindsaybluth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lindsaybluth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/151 "2010-10-19T19:17:25Z")
Wasn’t it 3 weeks after, not 4? FTR, I my little bro was (or nearly was) 14 days late, in 1995. He came along the day before they were going to induce it. Besides, Greg has no reason to doubt her either! ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/152 "2010-10-19T19:22:53Z")
Plus- she’ll tell the doctor what she wants the doctor to believe with respect to the conception. It’s not like they have sophisticated pregnancy-dating technology. They would wait until “two weeks overdue” and do a C-section, I imagine. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/153 "2010-10-19T19:29:46Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > I don’t know whether there will be a custody battle, but there will be a ton of conflict I think related to the kids. I coulod see a lot of ways this going, Bets having a breakdown of some kind, Sally running away. I just do not see Bats and Don getting back together. Betty being institutionalized is just about the only way I can see a custody battle between her & Don; otherwise there’s no realistic way Don could end up with custody (unless of course Betty died). And if she’s backed into a corner & desperate Betty always has the nuclear option of outing Don as Dick Whitman. Though if she tries that while she’s in a mental institution it might not work. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/154 "2010-10-19T19:44:36Z")
> [@lindsaybluth](#): > > Um, wasn’t that the maternity ward? She was also being treated for mental problems. I think she was being kept much longer than you would normally be kept in a maternity ward. Peggy’s mom had told Don she was being quarantined for tuberculosis. ---
**Author:** ![lindsaybluth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90db22/32.png) [@lindsaybluth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lindsaybluth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/155 "2010-10-19T20:02:47Z")
ascenray, I totally forgot that part. Thanks for clarifying. Couldn’t Dr. Edna come out of the woodwork perhaps? I mean, Carla did take her to the appointments…perhaps because of the move she’ll get a new therapist, and the therapist can tell-all to Don, giving him a leg up on custody? Otherwise, marrying super-mommy doesn’t make much sense in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Sattua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sattua/32/11906_2.png) [@Sattua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sattua)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/156 "2010-10-19T20:14:25Z")
About Peggy having changed so much from the first season–iirc she was 21 then, so she’s 26 now. My own experience has been that that age range usually produces the most radical shift in personality of a person’s whole life. Growing up and all that. Plus, she was learning the big-city ropes. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/157 "2010-10-19T20:49:23Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Powerful experiences transform people. She went through delivery and the realization that this happened to her- she let herself be naively manipulated by a soon-to-be married man, who didn’t treat her so well. Manipulated? Pete shows up, says two lines and she lets him in. I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt to assume she just wanted to fall into bed (and willfully ignored the “You’re getting married in the morning, right?” aspect) because if she was “manipulated”, she has all the mental fortitude of a squirrel. > [@shy\_guy](#): > > I don’t think it will be that big a deal except insofar as it heightens Roger’s apathy toward his wife and desire to be with Joan. I think Roger is still pretty happy with what’s-er-name, it’s just that Roger wants Joan because she’s Joan and their history. But he’s nothing like the Roger from his previous marriage and his constant philandering with hookers and models and anyone else who came within arm’s reach. His new marriage seems to have settled him down a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/158 "2010-10-19T21:13:50Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Betty being institutionalized is just about the only way I can see a custody battle between her & Don; otherwise there’s no realistic way Don could end up with custody (unless of course Betty died). And if she’s backed into a corner & desperate Betty always has the nuclear option of outing Don as Dick Whitman. Though if she tries that while she’s in a mental institution it might not work. I still think there may be at least an attempt by Don. The father’s rights, if you will, in custody cases started to come into prominence in the late 60’s actually fueled by the Women’s rights movement. I am not saying it will be a successful challenge by Don, if it happens at all, but I could see it happening as simply another way to show how the times they are a’changin’. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/159 "2010-10-19T21:39:10Z")
Maybe Roger starts pressuring Jane to have a baby of her own next season? Margaret is his only kid and he seems like the kinda guy who’d want to try for a son now that he has a new, young, (& presumably fertile) wife. ---
**Author:** ![Sattua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sattua/32/11906_2.png) [@Sattua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sattua)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495/160 "2010-10-19T22:07:57Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > His new marriage seems to have settled him down a bit. Either that or the heart attacks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-4-13-tomorrowland-season-finale-open-spoilers/557495.md?page=9)