# Mad-Men: 5.02 "Tea Leaves" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529 "2012-04-01T23:56:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/1 "2012-04-01T23:56:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Peggy recieves new responsibilities. Jon Ham’s directing tonight’s episode. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/2 "2012-04-02T02:07:31Z")
Hah! They hired one! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/3 "2012-04-02T02:29:54Z")
Like “Its always darkest before the dawn over there” :eek: ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/4 "2012-04-02T02:32:55Z")
Betty’s fat suit is seriously distracting from the gravity of her situtation. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/5 "2012-04-02T02:43:02Z")
This is the Stones’ 1966 tour. Andrew Oldham was still their manager, still, I think, not yet Allen Klein. Right? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/6 "2012-04-02T02:50:13Z")
“Romney’s a clown?” He did not! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/7 "2012-04-02T02:51:25Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > This is the Stones’ 1966 tour. Andrew Oldham was still their manager, still, I think, not yet Allen Klein. Right? Wikipedia says Klein took over as manager in 1965. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/8 "2012-04-02T02:54:40Z")
I stand corrected! I guess I was confused by the Beatles’ hiring him a couple years later, to clean things up at Apple. (As memorably portrayed by John Belushi.) ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/9 "2012-04-02T03:09:55Z")
Since I saw Duck over on “The Killing”, I guess he’s not coming back to “Mad Men”? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/10 "2012-04-02T03:19:55Z")
Pete Fox died July 5, 1966, which dates this one. (Surprised they didn’t have a 4th of July reference.) I think Ginsberg’s father needs to be about 15-20% more Central Casting NYC Jewish first generation patriarch archetype. So do you think Ginsberg, Jr. is going to be a new love interest for (the already involved) Peggy? January Jones had a baby in September; these scenes must have been filmed very soon after. (Damn, but her acting is painful to watch.) Pete is getting too cocky not to have a major smackdown in his arc. I hope. Megan is 26- I thought she was younger. I wonder if the Trade Winds will record any jingles. Does anybody know if they opened for the Rolling Stones? I wonder why they chose You Are 16 Going on 17 for the closing credits. I know Sound of Music was released that year, but still an odd choice. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/11 "2012-04-02T03:21:22Z")
dup ---
**Author:** ![Athena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/35a633/32.png) [@Athena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Athena)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/12 "2012-04-02T03:36:58Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I wonder why they chose You Are 16 Going on 17 for the closing credits. I know Sound of Music was released that year, but still an odd choice. I thought it was brilliant; it underscored that Betty is still, after all she’s been through, a child. And I’m wondering if this scare about her health is foreshadowing that she’s going to finally grow up. ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/13 "2012-04-02T03:59:19Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Pete Fox died July 5, 1966, which dates this one. (Surprised they didn’t have a 4th of July reference.) Betty’s kids were playing with sparklers on their front lawn. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/14 "2012-04-02T04:12:02Z")
Poor Henry. Learning she shared that with Don would be like emotional adultery. (I’ve read that “sex with the ex” is one of the most common forms of adultery; I wonder if that’s going to happen this season.) ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/15 "2012-04-02T07:06:46Z")
They could have almost made me give a damn about Betty if they were killing her off this season via cancer, but no. Perhaps their makeup department wants another crack at a fat suit after they did such a slipshod job with Peggy’s in season one. Something Terrible is now owed Pete after that speech. How old would his bastard be now? ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/16 "2012-04-02T13:42:28Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I think Ginsberg’s father needs to be about 15-20% more Central Casting NYC Jewish first generation patriarch archetype. Seriously, could he be any Jewier? I expected Ginsboig, Jr., to get down on one knee and sing “Mammy.” ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/17 "2012-04-02T14:45:35Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > “Romney’s a clown?” He did not! For me, this supports my prediction that Season 7 will rely heavily on Joe McGinniss’ _Selling of the President 1968_. I hope Roger gets to vomit on Roger Ailes. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/18 "2012-04-02T14:54:08Z")
Mrs. Jophiel guessed as well that they might have filmed soon after January Jones’ pregnancy. I wasn’t paying enough attention to her getting out of the tub to see if there was a cut where they could have used a body double or something. It certainly looked more realistic around her face than Peggy’s “pregnancy chin” did. Harry sucking down White Castles got a laugh from me. “I thought you were buying them for your family!” Don has another business card floating around in the wild now. I guess the one he gave to Schoolteacher’s Brother never amounted to anything. Wonder if this one will. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/19 "2012-04-02T15:05:02Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I wasn’t paying enough attention to her getting out of the tub to see if there was a cut where they could have used a body double or something. I think they did for the rear shot, her backfat was very realistic. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529/20 "2012-04-02T15:09:30Z")
I know they can’t keep January Jones fat all season (“January’s bustin’ out all _overrrr!_”), but I think a “Betty overeats, gains weight and has an identity crisis” is a lot more interesting than “Betty has a thyroid tumor, it gets removed and she’s all thin again.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-02-tea-leaves-open-spoilers/617529.md?page=2)