# Mad-Men: 5.07 "At the Codfish Ball" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 30, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380 "2012-04-30T01:50:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/81 "2012-05-01T21:44:02Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > I thought Peggy broke up with Abe? No, she didn’t. Did you assume that because Abe and Peggy had a fight and Peggy gave a handjob to a guy at the movies? ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/82 "2012-05-01T21:44:14Z")
The last we heard from Abe was when Peggy called him after talking with Ginsberg at the office (the “I’m a martian” conversation). She asked him to come over. He presumably doesn’t know about her movie theater handjob. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/83 "2012-05-01T22:38:31Z")
What age is Ginsberg meant to be? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/84 "2012-05-01T22:44:50Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > What age is Ginsberg meant to be? Probably late 20s. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/85 "2012-05-02T03:03:37Z")
My dad used to order me Shirley Temples all the time when I was a kid. I got such a warm feeling when Roger got one for Sally (and all the guys he worked with did the same adorable pat on the shoulder thing to me all the time)… and then, yeah, thanks Mad Men, that’s my childhood you just took a shit on. I love new empowered Roger, though! Not so much “banging Don’s mother in law” Roger, but before that point. I was so upset by the dinner scene with Abe and Peggy - the cohabitation thing is so obviously not what she really wanted, and she sort of talked herself into it. I mean, this is 1966 - this is a political statement, and I’m not sure it’s one she meant to make. ETA - is the saddest thing in the world to say to somebody not “So get a cat! They live about thirteen years. You get one, and then you get another one, and then you get another one, and then you’re done.” ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/86 "2012-05-02T03:32:08Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > …I think the writers of Mad Men now have their “bible” in place - a grand plan and a vision of how and where this show is going to end. I am looking forward to watching things unfold. I think eventually Peggy is going to end up leaving, possibly to another startup firm. She might even find the right business partner(s) to enable her to start her won firm. > [@shy\_guy](#): > > Isn’t Don’s Heinz guy only the beans, vinegars, and sauces guy? SCDP doesn’t even have ketchup. I think they only have beans, not ketchup. It’d be funny if the ad campaign Mr Heinz loved so much turned out to be a complete flop. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/87 "2012-05-02T04:00:11Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if Peggy and Pete end up holding all the cards or starting their own progressive firm. I’ve been watching the first few seasons, and it’s amazing how bloated the old firm was. There was so much chaff. Question: when would the switchboard gals have been made obsolete? They don’t seem to have made the jump to the new Time-Life HQ. ---
**Author:** ![Slade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@Slade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slade)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/88 "2012-05-02T14:52:03Z")
_“Note that she allowed the waiter to take her untouched Shirley Temple (given by Roger) when she returned to the table.”_ What better symbol of innocent childhood could there be than a Shirley Temple? The waiter asked, “Are you finished with this, Miss?” To which Sally effectively replied, “Finished with my childhood? Sure. Take it away.” ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/89 "2012-05-02T15:43:11Z")
> [@Slade](#): > > _“Note that she allowed the waiter to take her untouched Shirley Temple (given by Roger) when she returned to the table.”_ > > What better symbol of innocent childhood could there be than a Shirley Temple? The waiter asked, “Are you finished with this, Miss?” To which Sally effectively replied, “Finished with my childhood? Sure. Take it away.” Well said. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/90 "2012-05-02T16:24:58Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Did you live in Manhattan with your dad’s hip young French wife? Could be that they are a few years ahead of most other folks, fashion-wise. French-_Canadian_ wife. So, probably not all that far ahead. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/91 "2012-05-02T16:50:25Z")
I smiled when Peggies bf\* picked up his typewriter to leave the room. I have that exact typewriter! \*I think it was him, but whoever it was. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/92 "2012-05-02T17:39:42Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > I thought Peggy broke up with Abe? I know I watch too much TV, but I can’t look at Abe in 1966 without thinking about what he looks like [today](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/bawanaal/grampa05.gif). ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/93 "2012-05-03T03:07:16Z")
> [@Misnomer](#): > > French-_Canadian_ wife. So, probably not all that far ahead. 😉 I was wondering about that. Did the Calverts come across as more French than French-Canadian? What about the accents? Neither of them started cursing so I can’t really tell if they sound more Parisian or Quebcois. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/94 "2012-05-03T03:20:10Z")
Re the go-go boots: Nancy Sinatra’s song “These Boots Were Made for Walking” came out in 1965, so they might have been seen in the fall of 1966. But Sally was still too young for them and too young to be wearing obvious/visible makeup. I graduated from high school in 1966, and wearing any makeup-- even for 17-year olds-- at school was a hanging offense. So for a 13-year old girl, it would not have been acceptable, even at a grown-up party. ---
**Author:** ![koeeoaddi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/koeeoaddi/32/408_2.png) [@koeeoaddi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koeeoaddi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/95 "2012-05-03T04:15:07Z")
I was exactly the same age as Sally in 1966 and I’m amazed at how right her character is week after week. So, yeah, her boots were too high and her hair looked like Betty hair, not [Carnaby Street Mod-wannabe kid hair](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Londons_Carnaby_Street,_1969.jpg/350px-Londons_Carnaby_Street,_1969.jpg), but the dress, the make-up fight with dad, the late night secret phone calls, the Shirley Temple and the shock and were all perfect. I haven’t loved an episode so much since Don called her to say he bought Beatles tickets. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/96 "2012-05-03T15:03:06Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > So is the Heinz guy an executive who controls advertising or is it supposed to be [H.J. Heinz ii](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._J._Heinz_II)himself? I don’t think he’s a Heinz by name. Stan or someone refers to him as “Mr. Heinz,” but I think that was a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/97 "2012-05-03T16:04:20Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I think eventually Peggy is going to end up leaving, possibly to another startup firm. She might even find the right business partner(s) to enable her to start her own firm. Maybe towards the very end. I’m not sure the show as a show could survive being split up between two firms and the home life stories. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/98 "2012-05-03T20:52:15Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > So is the Heinz guy an executive who controls advertising or is it supposed to be [H.J. Heinz ii](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._J._Heinz_II)himself? (H.J. was the father-in-law of the future, second, and richest Mrs. John Kerry, though it’s doubtful he was prescient enough to have this on his business cards in the 1960s.) The credits list him as Raymond Geiger, played by John Sloman. His wife was Alice Geiger, played by Robin Pearson Rose. Coincidentally they both appeared in the same episode of _Grey’s Anatomy_ once. ---
**Author:** ![ShelliBean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@ShelliBean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShelliBean)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/99 "2012-05-03T21:52:54Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Maybe towards the very end. I’m not sure the show as a show could survive being split up between two firms and the home life stories. Although I wouldn’t want to move people around now, having heard that the show will end years in the future from where they are now I thought it would be nice if the “today” version was a bustling agency like Draper Olsen, with Megan and Peggy in the role filled by Cooper in the beginning of the show. Old, know the tricks, not really in the day to day but there, just enjoying the legacy. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380/100 "2012-05-03T22:11:22Z")
> [@ShelliBean](#): > > Although I wouldn’t want to move people around now, having heard that the show will end years in the future… That’s a rumor that’s never been confirmed, and may well have been officially denied. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-07-at-the-codfish-ball-open-spoilers/620380.md?page=6)