# Mad-Men: 5.09 "Dark Shadows" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 14, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829 "2012-05-14T01:34:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nunzio_Tavulari)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/21 "2012-05-14T14:39:46Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Also, “Oh hi, Rory side-boob! How much double-sided tape is in that mink coat, anyway?” Way too much if you ask me. And what’s with the crying lessons anyhow? I could see Betty subscribing to the “get whatever you want with tears” method, but thought Megan was above that level of manipulating her men. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/22 "2012-05-14T14:46:34Z")
> [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](#): > > Way too much if you ask me. > > And what’s with the crying lessons anyhow? I could see Betty subscribing to the “get whatever you want with tears” method, but thought Megan was above that level of manipulating her men. She’s an actress- they were doing acting drills and were being silly about it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/23 "2012-05-14T14:48:28Z")
> [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](#): > > And what’s with the crying lessons anyhow? I could see Betty subscribing to the “get whatever you want with tears” method, but thought Megan was above that level of manipulating her men. Megan’s not teaching her how to manipulate men. She’s just showing her something she has learned in acting school. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/24 "2012-05-14T15:34:06Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Also, “Oh hi, Rory side-boob! How much double-sided tape is in that mink coat, anyway?” All I could think was: she rode in on the _subway_ dressed like that. This chick is psycho. Hope Pete’s kids don’t have a pet rabbit… ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/25 "2012-05-14T15:34:33Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Megan’s not teaching her how to manipulate men. She’s just showing her something she has learned in acting school. I have no doubt Sally will find a way to put the lessons to good use. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/26 "2012-05-14T15:35:46Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > All I could think was: she rode in on the _subway_ dressed like that. This chick is psycho. > Hope Pete’s kids don’t have a pet rabbit… It wasn’t real, he was daydreaming. (unless I’m being wooshed?) ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/27 "2012-05-14T15:38:38Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Megan’s not teaching her how to manipulate men. She’s just showing her something she has learned in acting school. Which Sally will use to manipulate men. Also, I think that was the first time we’ve seen “Casual Don” (chinos, sweater). That’s certainly Megan’s influence. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/28 "2012-05-14T15:40:49Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > It wasn’t real, he was daydreaming. > > (unless I’m being wooshed?) Maybe he daydreamed her entire commute? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/29 "2012-05-14T15:44:55Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > It wasn’t real, he [Pete] was daydreaming. > > (unless I’m being wooshed?) Correct. He was daydreaming. The scene cut to him lying on the couch in his office. In the dream, she said, “I read about you in the NYTimes Magazine and had to have you!” or words to that effect. He was fantasizing how she’d react when she saw the interview with him _(“I’M the only one they want to talk to.”_) in the paper. Then when the paper came out, SCDP wasn’t even mentioned. That was great on the train, though, when he said to her husband, “How about you go to my house for Thanksgiving and I go to your house and screw your wife,” and the husband thought that was hilarious and unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/30 "2012-05-14T15:54:46Z")
BTW, that was [an actual NY Times Magazine article](http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50810FC355C14738DDDA90A94D9415B868AF1D3) (link goes to NY Times Preview page, shouldn’t count against your article limit as it’s just an abstract.) ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/31 "2012-05-14T16:09:58Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Correct. He was daydreaming. The scene cut to him lying on the couch in his office. Damnit. I need to stop answering the phone during Mad Men. You miss 10 seconds and everything you’ve seen changes. ---
**Author:** ![Prelude\_to\_Fascination](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Prelude\_to\_Fascination](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prelude_to_Fascination)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/32 "2012-05-14T16:16:04Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Omigod, that was great. > > And it looked like that one brussels sprout was giving her an orgasm. I didn’t know that they could be _that_ good. Ahh, the poor dieters of the 60s (and later). I thought of the scene in _Hopscotch_ where Ned Beatty says something like, “I’m on the cottage cheese and carrot stick diet again,” and that film came out in 1980. Actually, I felt bad for Betty, which is unusual for me, when I saw her plate. Sally’s going to be one fucked up woman in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/33 "2012-05-14T16:25:01Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Damnit. I need to stop answering the phone during Mad Men. You miss 10 seconds and everything you’ve seen changes. Hell, I turn my ringer OFF during\* Mad Men\*, even though I’m recording it on my DVR. :rolleyes: First Rule of _Mad Men_: Do NOT answer the phone during\* Mad Men\*. Second Rule of _Mad Men_… etc. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/34 "2012-05-14T16:26:29Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > BTW, that was [an actual NY Times Magazine article](http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50810FC355C14738DDDA90A94D9415B868AF1D3) (link goes to NY Times Preview page, shouldn’t count against your article limit as it’s just an abstract.) VERY cool! It would have been even cooler if the article HAD given a tiny mention to SCDP. _\_ ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/35 "2012-05-14T16:28:29Z")
So Ginsberg didn’t get off the elevator with Don. Did he just not go to work that day, portending the fact he is going to leave? Also Peggy is starting to realize that the firm is still stuck in some old thinking and that probably won’t change. How damaged is Pete going to be now that Don scolded him about his “failures”. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/36 "2012-05-14T16:40:12Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > How damaged is Pete going to be now that Don scolded him about his “failures”. Yeah. Pete looks up to Don even after everything else. I remember after the California bit when Don told Pete he abandoned him in CA because he knew Pete could handle it alone and Pete damn near grew a tail and started wagging it. He’s running roughshod over Roger and I doubt he much cares what Old Man Cooper thinks but he still wants Don’s “Attaboy”. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/37 "2012-05-14T17:39:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Correct. He was daydreaming. The scene cut to him lying on the couch in his office. For a moment I thought they were going to pan out to his unzipped pants. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/38 "2012-05-14T17:53:58Z")
BTW, I liked Don’s Snowball idea better than Ginsberg’s, but Ginsberg’s might have been better if kids was the target. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/39 "2012-05-14T18:33:07Z")
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**Author:** ![SanibelMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@SanibelMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanibelMan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/40 "2012-05-14T19:10:32Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > She was trying REALLY hard to enjoy her sad little brussels sprout… but not really succeeding. That was actually a great bit of acting by January Jones. But she didn’t eat the brussels sprout. We saw it on the plate, but she ate the forkful of stuffing that was on her plate. That’s why she looked so happy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829.md?page=3)