# Mad-Men: 5.09 "Dark Shadows" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 14, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829 "2012-05-14T01:34:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/41 "2012-05-14T19:37:03Z")
…and chewing it twenty times before swallowing. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/42 "2012-05-14T20:19:29Z")
[QUOTE=Bob Ducca] That was actually a great bit of acting by January Jones. [/QUOTE] That’s a sentence you don’t read every [del]day[/del] year. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/43 "2012-05-14T20:54:27Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > That’s a sentence you don’t read every [del]day[/del] year. It was hard to type. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/44 "2012-05-14T20:57:56Z")
Don noted that it seems Heinz had taken up all of Peggy’s time, but Peggy was taken off Heinz several weeks ago? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/45 "2012-05-14T21:24:06Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Don noted that it seems Heinz had taken up all of Peggy’s time, but Peggy was taken off Heinz several weeks ago? I thought so too- after her meltdown with the beans man. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/46 "2012-05-14T21:25:27Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I thought so too- after her meltdown with the beans man. Probably just another way to show how out of touch he is with what’s happening at the office. ---
**Author:** ![BluePear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@BluePear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BluePear)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/47 "2012-05-14T23:29:07Z")
> [@corkboard](#): > > Which Sally will use to manipulate men. > > Also, I think that was the first time we’ve seen “Casual Don” (chinos, sweater). That’s certainly Megan’s influence. Actually Don’s been in casual wear like that before. I specifically remember the scene where him and Beatty tell the kids he is moving out in Season 3 and the episode where they came in on a Saturday to work on the right pitch for American Airlines. That just might be Don’s work look for the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![JpnDude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/838e76/32.png) [@JpnDude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JpnDude)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/48 "2012-05-15T01:44:30Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I thought so too- after her meltdown with the beans man. Wasn’t the Heinz account returned to her when Megan left the company? ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/49 "2012-05-15T03:23:28Z")
I’m with Nunzio on this one–way too much of a soap opera for me. And Sally was like a miniature Betty–good acting, but one Betty is too many. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/50 "2012-05-15T03:40:22Z")
I thought Sally outclassed/outflanked Betty with her (I’m paraphrasing) “Oh, yeah, they showed me pictures and told me all about Anna, thanks for mentioning” casual dismissal towards the end. ---
**Author:** ![Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nunzio_Tavulari)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/51 "2012-05-15T03:54:41Z")
> [@corkboard](#): > > Which Sally will use to manipulate men. > > Also, I think that was the first time we’ve seen “Casual Don” (chinos, sweater). That’s certainly Megan’s influence. We saw casual Don in his loud plaid sport coat when he had dinner at the Campbell’s a few weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nunzio_Tavulari)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/52 "2012-05-15T04:07:24Z")
> [@Prelude\_to\_Fascination](#): > > Sally’s going to be one fucked up woman in my opinion. Who wants to see a new series focused on Sally and the Seventies? That decade had a lot of great stories as well, and everyone likes the actress. they could put her on the staff of Ms. Magazine. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/53 "2012-05-15T06:55:48Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I thought Sally outclassed/outflanked Betty with her (I’m paraphrasing) “Oh, yeah, they showed me pictures and told me all about Anna, thanks for mentioning” casual dismissal towards the end. That was my favorite line. Meagan’s acting lessons must be working, because Sally sold it. As for WW, today they don’t announce every person’s weight loss, unless someone hits a milestone, just group loss. Privacy issue, it seems. But the discussion of Thanksgiving was right on based on what I’ve heard from those who have been. ---
**Author:** ![BluePear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@BluePear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BluePear)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/54 "2012-05-15T09:45:53Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I thought Sally outclassed/outflanked Betty with her (I’m paraphrasing) “Oh, yeah, they showed me pictures and told me all about Anna, thanks for mentioning” casual dismissal towards the end. That was an unusually mature response for a child. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/55 "2012-05-15T12:17:05Z")
> [@BluePear](#): > > That was an unusually mature response for a child. You DO get that she was sticking it to her mother with that remark, don’t you? She was saying, “The news you delivered so coolly like it didn’t matter that was supposed to devastate me and cause me to hate Megan… well, screw you and BTW, here is a poison pill that I made just for you.” Even though the Anna discussion DID devastate Sally and make her hate Megan, she wasn’t going to give her mother the satisfaction of knowing that, and the best way to make Betty suffer was to make it sound like the whole thing was no big deal and that Megan was the grownup here. So, yeah, it was mature in a devious and diabolical way. (I hope I’m stating the obvious.) ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/56 "2012-05-15T12:43:02Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > As for WW, today they don’t announce every person’s weight loss, unless someone hits a milestone, just group loss. Privacy issue, it seems. Which is a huge mistake–I have been telling them at Weight Watchers that public humiliation is a great spur. If they had a big neon sign with your gain/loss in front of the whole group, with a loud “wah-wah-wah-_waaaaah_” noise if you gained? That would keep \*me \*from eating. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/57 "2012-05-15T12:51:02Z")
It would keep more people from showing up at all. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/58 "2012-05-15T14:41:36Z")
We’ve seen lots of casual outfits for Don (I keep track because I love how the show dresses Jon Hamm), even, as BluePear notes, at the office on weekends. The best thing about Don’s “I don’t think about you at all” line is that it’s possibly the biggest lie in the entire episode. He’s incredibly threatened by Ginsberg, and I have a feeling Don is a couple martinis away from another “Cure for the Common Breakfast” situation, if it even takes that to push him over the edge. Don’s crazy temper popped up again, too. When Megan told him what Sally said, Don went absolutely ballistic, and directed most of his anger toward Megan. Understandable in some way, I guess, but another red flag. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/59 "2012-05-15T15:20:27Z")
> [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](#): > > Who wants to see a new series focused on Sally and the Seventies? No thanks. Sally seems to have one mode: “Bitchy kid”. It was refreshing to finally see her have a good time for a while at the banquet which, of course, had to be ruined for her to better solidify her bitchiness. That’s nothing against the actress who does a great job but I’m never excited to see her on screen because I already know which note she’ll be playing. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829/60 "2012-05-15T16:26:08Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > Which is a huge mistake–I have been telling them at Weight Watchers that public humiliation is a great spur. If they had a big neon sign with your gain/loss in front of the whole group, with a loud “wah-wah-wah-_waaaaah_” noise if you gained? That would keep \*me \*from eating. They don’t? Then what’s the point? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-09-dark-shadows-open-spoilers/621829.md?page=4)