# Mad Men: 5.10 "Christmas Waltz" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 21, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570 "2012-05-21T01:26:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/81 "2012-05-22T14:39:15Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Just as Kinsey in a shaved head and robes is still the same deluded, insecure Kinsey. I love his pissed, petulant look when Harry casually mentions having a vision while chanting for the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/82 "2012-05-22T15:48:13Z")
> [@Miss\_Mapp](#): > > I was just coming in to ask if anybody Trekkier than me remembered this. I think it’s mentioned in one of David Gerrold’s behind-the-scenes Trek books, which I read years ago. I thought of it the moment I heard the story idea. I think I’ve heard of this plot also. There was “Let this be your last battlefield” with Frank Gorshin about a two races, half black and half white, fighting because one was black on the left and the other was black on the right. Kinsey’s script would fit in well with other ST scripts - just not at the beginning of the first season. There were plenty of deep scripts, like Richard Matheson’s on the good Kirk and bad Kirk. Just not this type, not yet. And I watched it from the very first show. ---
**Author:** ![Mixolydian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Mixolydian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mixolydian)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/83 "2012-05-22T15:58:57Z")
My first thought when Kinsey said he had written a Star Trek episode was that it was [“The Way To Eden”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_to_Eden) (the “Herbert” episode) ---
**Author:** ![Slade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@Slade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slade)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/84 "2012-05-22T21:56:29Z")
Why are we getting a Christmas episode in May? Didn’t this just show in the US for the first time a couple of days ago? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/85 "2012-05-22T22:04:15Z")
Mad Men has never coordinated plots with airdate. I can’t think of many dramas that bother, especially on cable. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/86 "2012-05-22T22:27:50Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Mad Men has never coordinated plots with airdate. I can’t think of many dramas that bother, especially on cable. And usually a month or so passes between episodes of Mad Men, so it’s pretty much impossible to get them to line up. ---
**Author:** ![Gestalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@Gestalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gestalt)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/87 "2012-05-23T01:20:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Read the earlier posts that better explained why Meagan was pissed. It wasn’t because he came home late and drunk, but because he’s slacking at the job he used to love. He needed a kick in the pants, and it seemed to work. > > Now, you could argue that it was time well spent to get Joan’s groove back, but still, it wasn’t just this one event that had her pissed-- it was the cumulation of how Don had been slacking for some time. And she isn’t the only one noticing it. I generally don’t think that throwing a plate of food across a room is a great way to get any across. Also she had been seeing him slack off for a looong time now and it never seemed to bother her before. I think it was some combination of concern about his diminished interst in work _and_ a strong awareness of Don’s cheating past and the fact that she grew up in a household of infidelity. But mostly the last two. I loled when she brought up the “hollowness of consumerism” while wearing a fancy dress in a penthouse in Manhattan. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/88 "2012-05-23T01:36:07Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > And usually a month or so passes between episodes of Mad Men, so it’s pretty much impossible to get them to line up. When has this happened? They’ve been running weekly with no interruption this year. ---
**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/89 "2012-05-23T01:42:24Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > When has this happened? They’ve been running weekly with no interruption this year. **enalzi** means a month in the _Mad Men_ timeline, not in the presentation schedule of the episodes. If I’m not mistaken, it’s now December of ’66, right? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/90 "2012-05-23T02:06:13Z")
> [@Washoe](#): > > If I’m not mistaken, it’s now December of ’66, right? Correct. The end of the first semester of my freshman year in college (if anyone is wondering). ---
**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/91 "2012-05-23T03:39:03Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The end of the first semester of my freshman year in college (if anyone is wondering). I had just turned five that October. They’re just now starting to show things that I have a vague memory of. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Downtown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Mr\_Downtown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Downtown)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/92 "2012-05-23T04:12:00Z")
I keep trying to figure out who the Jaguar salesman was. He sounded just like Tobey Maguire. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/93 "2012-05-23T08:22:46Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Throwing something to show that the character really is ooh, so mad, is one of the worst overused tropes on television. You especially don’t throw messy, sticky, gummy stuff that you’ll have to clean up yourself. Maybe Megan was up for the roll of Oscar Madison in the Broadway production of The Odd Couple. “It’s not spaghetti, it’s linguini.” “Now, it’s garbage.” I really love what a conscientious slime ball Harry is. He cheats on his pregnant wife, bangs the love of Paul’s life, screws her again by pointing out she gave away the only thing she had to offer and then makes an earnest effort to help Paul, not out of guilt, I think, but to actually point him in a better (or at least different) direction. And it dawns on me that if Lane really needed some quick cash, between Roger’s and Harry’s largesse, all he had to do was pitch a few campaign ideas, sell his office and join the Hare Krishnas. At SCDP, that alone is worth like $1700. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/94 "2012-05-25T05:03:09Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > And usually a month or so passes between episodes of Mad Men, so it’s pretty much impossible to get them to line up. Plus Weiner did originaly want a fall, 2011 start date for the season. He probally took that into considertion when he was ploting the arc out. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570/95 "2012-05-29T07:10:54Z")
First of all, my apologies for the late bumping of this thread. I’m a bit in arrears in my MM watching. I just saw this ep tonight. I loved the Star Trek reference. Especially in light of the fact that Kinsey \*always \*reminded me of Will Riker, with his beard and pipe. I couldn’t look at him and not think of Jonathan Frakes. And then he returns with a \*Star Trek \*script? It was just tooooo perfect. Yowza! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-10-christmas-waltz-open-spoilers/622570.md?page=4)