# Mad-Men: 5.13 "Phantom" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 11, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774 "2012-06-11T01:15:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/161 "2012-06-13T21:03:01Z")
Sepinwall has [an interesting interview w/ Matthew Weiner](http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/mad-men-creator-matthew-weiner-talks-peggy-joan-sci-fi-and-more-about-season-5) about the fifth season and the finale. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/162 "2012-06-15T06:17:17Z")
“What’s a Regina?” When Roger calls the apartment, pretending to be Megan’s father and looking for a booty-call with Megan’s mother, the old French chick drops a line about “Regina.” After hanging up, Roger looks at the camera and asks, “What’s a Regina?” Does anyone have any idea what this exchange was all about? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/163 "2012-06-15T06:53:14Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > “What’s a Regina?” > > When Roger calls the apartment, pretending to be Megan’s father and looking for a booty-call with Megan’s mother, the old French chick drops a line about “Regina.” After hanging up, Roger looks at the camera and asks, “What’s a Regina?” > > Does anyone have any idea what this exchange was all about? Megan’s father is at a conference in Regina. When Roger called, Marie pretends it’s her husband/Megan’s father on the line and asks him how the conference in Regina is so that Megan will go away and not listen. Roger doesn’t know/doesn’t care where Marie’s husband is so he just hears ‘blah blah Regina yadda conference’ until she starts actually talking to him. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/164 "2012-06-16T03:34:20Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > …Does anyone have any idea what this exchange was all about? What Sampiro said, plus Roger was confused because he never hear the word before and it sound’s like vagina. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/165 "2012-06-22T13:56:46Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > This still leaves the question of Lane’s 12.5% ownership of the company itself unresolved. This is certainly worth a lot more than $50,000 - but it also likely that the company is under no obligation to buy it out from Mrs. Pryce. Many partnership agreements simply change the ownership of deceased partners to a non-voting share, but this is by no means guaranteed, and Mrs. Pryce’s comment to Don suggests that she believes they do actually owe her something for it. You can’t know that… if the partners draw the money out as fast as it comes in then there is little value to the company…especially since an ad agency is not likely to have much goodwill if the key people leave. Granted they seem to be rolling in dough and we don’t know that they have been drawing it out. Mrs Pryce (is she in Californication?) could cause quite a stink next season with regard to the finances and what has happened in the three months since he died. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/166 "2012-06-22T14:35:10Z")
I’m probably well behind the curve on this one, but it randomly occurred to me yesterday that Rory Gilmour’s husband likely bullies into the electroshock when she’s being unfaithful to clear her slate. He knew she was having an affair (even if it was just the once) and then off she goes to lose her short term memory again. He also said she’s unfaithful on a regular basis and she said she’s had the therapy multiple times before. I assume she does have other issues she was originally seeing the doctor for but I feel like her infidelity is now treated as a symptom of those issues. “You cheated? Must be your disorder acting up. I’ll call the hospital…” ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/167 "2012-06-22T14:37:37Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Mrs Pryce (is she in Californication?) could cause quite a stink next season with regard to the finances and what has happened in the three months since he died. Yes, Californication. She’s [Embeth Davidtz](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001110/) who many around here might also know as the female lead in _Army of Darkness_. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/168 "2012-06-22T14:52:24Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I’m probably well behind the curve on this one, but it randomly occurred to me yesterday that Rory Gilmour’s husband likely bullies into the electroshock when she’s being unfaithful to clear her slate. He knew she was having an affair (even if it was just the once) and then off she goes to lose her short term memory again. He also said she’s unfaithful on a regular basis and she said she’s had the therapy multiple times before. > > I assume she does have other issues she was originally seeing the doctor for but I feel like her infidelity is now treated as a symptom of those issues. “You cheated? Must be your disorder acting up. I’ll call the hospital…” This might be an element of it, but from her own statements, she does seem to suffer from depression and does seem to acknowledge that she feels better after the treatments. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/169 "2012-06-22T15:03:11Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > This might be an element of it, but from her own statements, she does seem to suffer from depression and does seem to acknowledge that she feels better after the treatments. Yeah, like I said, I’m sure it originally stemmed from somewhere. But it would be “easy” to say “You’re doing this because of your sickness. We’re going to get you help.” She also wouldn’t be the first to rationalize behavior, be it her own, her husband’s or the doctor’s. The whole “I knew she was cheating if not who with, now she’s having electroshock which just happens to wipe her memory of whoever she’s cheating with” aspect just seemed too happy a coincidence. Particularly when it’s revealed that neither incident (infidelity, treatment) is happening for the first time. Hell, maybe part of feeling better is doing away with the guilt of her actions because they’re wiped from her mind. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/170 "2012-06-22T15:39:22Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Yes, Californication. She’s [Embeth Davidtz](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001110/) who many around here might also know as the female lead in _Army of Darkness_. I prefer to think of her as Miss Honey in _Matilda_, but that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/171 "2012-06-22T16:05:45Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Yeah, like I said, I’m sure it originally stemmed from somewhere. But it would be “easy” to say “You’re doing this because of your sickness. We’re going to get you help.” > > She also wouldn’t be the first to rationalize behavior, be it her own, her husband’s or the doctor’s. The whole “I knew she was cheating if not who with, now she’s having electroshock which just happens to wipe her memory of whoever she’s cheating with” aspect just seemed too happy a coincidence. Particularly when it’s revealed that neither incident (infidelity, treatment) is happening for the first time. Hell, maybe part of feeling better is doing away with the guilt of her actions because they’re wiped from her mind. This predicates that ECT is some kind of _Star Trek_-era memory eraser, or the Harry Potter spell _oblivio_. In ECT you can’t know, much less specify, which memories get lost. You lose some memories, often but not always short term memories, but they often come back from anywhere within a few hours to a couple of weeks post-treatment – and again, there’s no way to know which memories will be lost, or if any are going to be permanent. She’s obviously remembered Pete before, so it’s not like she was bopping over to the hospital to get zapped every time she slept with him. (Though frankly that’s exactly what I’d be doing if I found myself sleeping with the guy, just on the off-chance I _could_ wipe my memory of the incident!) And if it seems a happy coincidence it’s because it was – pure coincidence, needed for the scene. Weiner wanted Pete to be honest, and so he gave Beth (was that her name? Such a dull freakin’ character, who cares) convenient amnesia to allow Pete the confessional. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/172 "2012-06-22T16:21:40Z")
> [@choie](#): > > In ECT you can’t know, much less specify, which memories get lost. You lose some memories, often but not always short term memories… Her comment on it, from her experience, was that she would not remember Pete after it happened. Whatever the medical reality of it is in the non-“Mad Men” world, that’s how it was explained by the character. That was the whole reason she wanted one last time with Pete before she went in. > [@](#): > > She’s obviously remembered Pete before, so it’s not like she was bopping over to the hospital to get zapped every time she slept with him. There’s no indication that she had treatment in the period between first sleeping with Pete and the season finale. Based on her certainty that she would forget Pete, I would say she did not. That said, it’s nothing I’m going to argue too strongly as I already laid out my reasons for thinking it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/173 "2012-06-22T16:41:37Z")
But she wasn’t certain. She was hoping ti remember the last meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/174 "2012-06-22T17:01:49Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > When Don walks away from Megan as she’s on the set of the Beauty & the Beast ad, was the distance he walks from her intentionally surreal or are regular studios (the type where an ad would be shot) really that huge? I didn’t see this episode, because we were out of the country and because we have DishNetwork. I’m going to have to wait for Netflix. But the answer to this is yes - I’ve gone to a commercial shoot at Silvercup Studios in Queens, which used to be a bread bakery, and there is another studio just as large where the commercial was probably shot. (Silvercup was still a bakery back in 1967.) These places are enormous. ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/175 "2012-06-22T17:03:57Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > You can’t know that… if the partners draw the money out as fast as it comes in then there is little value to the company…especially since an ad agency is not likely to have much goodwill if the key people leave. > > Granted they seem to be rolling in dough and we don’t know that they have been drawing it out. If they were drawing money from the partnership, then her share entitles her to do the same. That’s the whole reason it is likely worth more than $50k. If the company is generating profits, its value is certainly not reduced because it distributes those profits to its owners. That’s sort of the whole point of owning an interest in a company in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/176 "2012-06-22T19:36:59Z")
Ah yes, Pete and Beth [kissing](http://www.extratv.com/2012/06/21/mad-mens-alexis-bledel-and-vincent-kartheiser-spotted-kissing/). Just not on the show. Wait, what? I suspect a story planted by a PR flack. Like all of Johnny Galecki’s “girlfriend” stories. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/177 "2012-06-22T20:22:45Z")
That photo looks like they just fished Vincent K. out of a drainpipe. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/178 "2012-06-22T20:23:31Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > That photo looks like they just fished Vincent K. out of a drainpipe. So it looks like every other photograph of him taken in the last three years? ---
**Author:** ![Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nunzio_Tavulari)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/179 "2012-06-23T04:16:15Z")
There was a time when razors had only one blade. Yet men were able to get a clean shave. It seems that each time they add a blade, young men become less competent in their personal grooming. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774/180 "2012-06-23T04:32:51Z")
Sarcasm about five-day beards has been obsolete since about 1985. Do you also still make cracks about Paul McCartney needing a haircut in 1964? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-5-13-phantom-open-spoilers/624774.md?page=10)