# Mad-Men: 6.03 "The Collaborators" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 15, 2013, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732 "2013-04-15T00:06:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/41 "2013-04-15T19:15:51Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Even worse when Mrs. Doctor started moralizing at Megan for even considering abortion to be an option. Even if you disagree with abortion, I don’t think that was the time or place (and it’s not as though Megan needed to be talked out of it now so the point was moot)… It’s 1968, abortion is still illegal, and both women come from similiar pre-Vatican II Catholic backgrounds. It would be weirder if Mrs Rosen didn’t moralize. > [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Can someone refresh me on what the trigger was for Trudy allowing Pete to get an apartment in the city? I recall her emphatic no when he first brought it up but can’t remember what changed her mind… Pete got into a fight on the train with the husband of the woman he was having an affair with and told Trudy he fell asleep at the wheel (because he’s so tired from all the commuting) and crashed the car. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/42 "2013-04-15T19:16:12Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I was surprised by Peggy’s moralizing as well. At best, she’s clinging to Stan as the one link she had to happier times and she doesn’t want to smash that by betraying him. > > Unfortunately, there’s nowhere to take the characters except to smash them. “We’re losing the war.” Poor Dr. Rosen is going to get smashed as collateral damage. I don’t understand why it’s a betrayal. She’s going after ketchup, not beans. Ketchup is not in play for SCDP. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/43 "2013-04-15T19:19:13Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I don’t understand why it’s a betrayal. She’s going after ketchup, not beans. Ketchup is not in play for SCDP. They’re not going to go just after ketchup. They’re going to go after Heinz in general. Remember Don’s pitch in the episode in “Fees & Commissions” (aka Lane commits suicide"). Chaough would have agreed with him. He doesn’t want half of any business’s ad wallet; he wants all of it. It’s the only way to do his job. And Peggy perceives what she’ll be doing as a betrayal because, if it becomes known that what’s-his-name’s loose lips resulted in SCDP losing a major account, he’ll get canned. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/44 "2013-04-15T19:19:26Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I don’t understand why it’s a betrayal. She’s going after ketchup, not beans. Ketchup is not in play for SCDP. It’s a betrayal because she told her boss something Stan told her in confidence, but I agree with Disheavel. I don’t think Stan really expected her to keep that to herself and not act on it. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/45 "2013-04-15T19:32:48Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > They’re saying “all our shows are the same kind of wonderful,” so you’re getting it exactly. Their ad department is smiling. At the risk of invoking the “If you remember it, it worked!” ad debate, if my take-away was “No reason to watch all the rest 'cause there’s not much different about them” then they shouldn’t be smiling. In shorter words, I didn’t come away any more interested in AMC’s other shows. > [@alphaboi867](#): > > It’s 1968, abortion is still illegal, and both women come from similiar pre-Vatican II Catholic backgrounds. It would be weirder if Mrs Rosen didn’t moralize. Perhaps. Without arguing the point, I’ll just say that it sucked for Megan. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/46 "2013-04-15T19:33:23Z")
So long as they don’t use the knowledge to also try and steal Baked Beans, I’m not sure why it is bad to use the knowledge to try and get ketchup since the whole point of the story is that DCSP is not actually in the running to get ketchup. Learning that Heinz is in the market for a new ketchup agency and acting on that does nothing to hurt the other agency. Of course, to the extent that Peggy is wrong to use the information, Stan was more wrong to share it. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/47 "2013-04-15T19:36:42Z")
Much better than the season opener. Pete’s predicament was well done. My wife asked “why does his hair look weird?”. Because he’s trying to be hip with the sideburns. Doesn’t work well with a receding hairline and dopey 50’s hairdo. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/48 "2013-04-15T19:43:06Z")
Did anyone else find it interesting that Don rationalized staying with Beans instead of going after Ketchup by saying “sometimes you gotta dance with the one that brought you”? It’s basically the antithesis of the way he leads his life; always going after the next big thing. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/49 "2013-04-15T19:45:50Z")
RE: Megan blaming Hawaii’s time zone on her birth control pill lapse: they don’t have days in Hawaii? How does that work? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/50 "2013-04-15T19:51:07Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > RE: Megan blaming Hawaii’s time zone on her birth control pill lapse: they don’t have days in Hawaii? How does that work? She may have forgotten because she was jet lagged and missed a day of the pill. Even not taking the pill at the same time every day can be enough to reduce effectiveness. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/51 "2013-04-15T20:07:08Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > RE: Megan blaming Hawaii’s time zone on her birth control pill lapse: they don’t have days in Hawaii? How does that work? If you’re supposed to take them 24 hours apart but bedtime is now 27 hours (or more) from the last time you took them, it could be a problem. Or if you’re high and your husband is John Hamm in a swimsuit, you just plain forget 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/52 "2013-04-15T20:12:53Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > If you’re supposed to take them 24 hours apart but bedtime is now 27 hours (or more) Hawaii and NY are six hours apart so just saying “Six o’clock, pill time” would put you a quarter day off schedule. That’s being generous and assuming she was watching the clock that closely. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/53 "2013-04-15T20:13:14Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > At the risk of invoking the “If you remember it, it worked!” ad debate, if my take-away was “No reason to watch all the rest 'cause there’s not much different about them” then they shouldn’t be smiling. In shorter words, I didn’t come away any more interested in AMC’s other shows. If nothing else, AMC should be emphasizing that the acting by the zombies on **Walking Dead** is _much_ better than January Jones on **Mad Men**. Product differentiation is good. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/54 "2013-04-15T21:34:48Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > She may have forgotten because she was jet lagged and missed a day of the pill. Even not taking the pill at the same time every day can be enough to reduce effectiveness. Dopers under the age of 55 won’t remember what a big deal birth control pills were when they first came out. From Wikipedia: > [@](#): > > Although the FDA approved the first oral contraceptive in 1960, contraceptives were not available to married women in all states until Griswold v. Connecticut in 1965 and were not available to unmarried women in all states until Eisenstadt v. Baird in 1972. Pretty inconceivable [sic] that in many states a married woman couldn’t get birth control pills and an unmarried women couldn’t get them even with a doctor’s prescription until 1972. Can you 20-30-somethings even wrap your brain around that? I find it shocking today and I lived through it. :smack: I was married the first time in 1972 and did get on the pill right away. And the early BC pills had high doses of hormones and the formulations were different from today’s pills. Maybe a medical person can chime in with more specific info. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/55 "2013-04-15T21:55:18Z")
Yeah, even in states that didn’t ban contraception for unmarried women it could be hard for single women to find a doctor willing to proscribe them. This was more a problem in small towns than NYC (if only because big cities had more doctors to choose from). Remember how in the pilot Joan made a point of sending the new hires to Dr Emerson (who also does abortions) to get birth control? BTW the pill actually became available in _1957_ for treatment of menstral disorders. Emerson was likely one of the docs willing to prescribe in for off-label use (which is how the pill was available in countries like Canada or Ireland before they legalized contraception). ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/56 "2013-04-15T22:00:48Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Yeah, even in states that didn’t ban contraception for unmarried women it could be hard for single women to find a doctor willing to proscribe them. [usage fascist] Actually, I think it was easy to find physicians to PROscribe the pill. PREscribing was another story. [/usage fascist] ---
**Author:** ![Runs\_With\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/278dde/32.png) [@Runs\_With\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Runs_With_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/57 "2013-04-15T22:51:25Z")
I wish I had a screen cap to share, but…did anyone else notice… When Don was telling the Jaguar execs about how to run the new ad campaign, there was an abstract painting behind his left shoulder. One of the figures looked just like an upside down pistol, with the barrel aimed at his head. It had the basic gun “L” shape, and even had a trigger guard (or whatever that ring of metal is). ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/58 "2013-04-16T00:22:25Z")
> [@Runs\_With\_Scissors](#): > > I wish I had a screen cap to share, but…did anyone else notice… > > When Don was telling the Jaguar execs about how to run the new ad campaign, there was an abstract painting behind his left shoulder. One of the figures looked just like an upside down pistol, with the barrel aimed at his head. It had the basic gun “L” shape, and even had a trigger guard (or whatever that ring of metal is). [![](https://i.imgur.com/m4QUh5g.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/m4QUh5g.png) I want a slice of that coffee cake. ---
**Author:** ![Zjestika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8edcca/32.png) [@Zjestika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zjestika)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/59 "2013-04-16T02:46:33Z")
And I want the Campbells’ sofa. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732/60 "2013-04-16T09:27:10Z")
I want the not-quite-a-suit that Peggy’s secretary was wearing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-03-the-collaborators-open-spoilers/655732.md?page=4)