# Mad-Men: 6.05 "The Flood" (open spoiler) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 29, 2013, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977 "2013-04-29T01:30:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/1 "2013-04-29T01:30:14Z")
[QUOTE=AMC] Peggy plans for the future; Roger woos a potential client. [/QUOTE] Looks like a Peggy centric episode. I wonder if we’ll ever get to see her interacting with Abe’s family. I’m sure they’re pleased as punch over their son shacking up with a shiksa who’s more interested in her career than children. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/2 "2013-04-29T02:09:52Z")
Peggy is getting a place on 84th and York (between 1st and York)? She’d be living a block away from where my sister lives now. (Not too far east for my sister…) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/3 "2013-04-29T02:32:34Z")
I liked the joke about the Second Avenue Subway. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/4 "2013-04-29T03:09:59Z")
You could almost see the wheels turning in Harry’s head when Pete made that sarcastic comment about the TV-movie. It just hit me that Betty is turning into _Henry’s_ mother! :eek: Just look at her. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/5 "2013-04-29T03:19:30Z")
Harry has truly become a repellent character. The fact that creepy Pete is the voice of moral outrage in their argument is pretty ironic. Loved the very awkward attempt by Joan to “console” Dawn. (But not that hideous getup Joan was wearing! Ugh, worst thing Christina Hendricks has ever put on.) ---
**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/6 "2013-04-29T03:29:37Z")
I watch Mad Men to see office drinking, secretry skirt chasing, locker room jokes, cheating, backstabbing, and nailing ad campaigns on a moment’s notice while hung over. I also like (most) of the family-based stuff. I don’t particularly watch it for the politics of the day or race riots. This episode did nothing for me. Voted “Didn’t Like It.” If it keeps on like this, I’ll probably just Netflix the first few seasons again. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/7 "2013-04-29T03:29:56Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > Harry has truly become a repellent character. The fact that creepy Pete is the voice of moral outrage in their argument is pretty ironic. Pete’s always been more enlightened on racial issues. Didn’t he advise a client in the first season to advertise in black magazines? (Although part of his argument was that the ads would be cheap.) ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/8 "2013-04-29T04:37:23Z")
An once again Harry had a point, even if he expressed it in the most insensitive way possible. I did feal sorry for Pete tonight though. How hard would be for Peggy to get a mortgage? I doubt any banks back then would consider making a loan out to an unmarried couple. And of course if they were married the bank who only take Abe’s salary into account, not Peggy’s. My own great aunt had a hard time finding a bank that would give her a mortgage without her brother cosigning. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/9 "2013-04-29T04:39:57Z")
As a media buyer, I sympathized with Harry (though he was an ass for voicing his annoyances.) Having all of your spots get bumped for special coverage sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Rollo\_Tomasi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Rollo\_Tomasi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rollo_Tomasi)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/10 "2013-04-29T04:43:59Z")
I was almost more annoyed with Harry shushing Joan during the awards presentation. That was just a petty asshole thing to do, and do you think he would have done it if Don had made the binoculars comment? Plus, his shushing was louder than her whispered comment. King Douche strikes again. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/11 "2013-04-29T04:50:16Z")
I wonder if Paul Newman really spoke at those awards. He must have right? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/12 "2013-04-29T04:58:03Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > As a media buyer, I sympathized with Harry (though he was an ass for voicing his annoyances.) Having all of your spots get bumped for special coverage sucks. And Harry’s probally been on the phone with screaming clients who are even less diplomatic that he was. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/13 "2013-04-29T05:01:25Z")
I was baffled by Peggy’s worry that the condo was “too far east.” How wide is Manhattan? Like two miles, right? How far east \*can \*you get from where you want to be? Also, at 23 minutes into the episode, they showed a closeup of a telephone in Don’s apartment. It was a push-button phone with 10 buttons. That’s right, 1 through zero, with no # or \* button. This bothered me. For one thing, I don’t remember such a phone ever existing, and for another, I don’t remember push-button phones even existing in 1968. Of course, I was 10 years old that year, so my memory might be fuzzy, but I didn’t think push button phones existed until the early seventies. Other than those quibbles, though, great episode. Loved the angst and the implicit forward and reverse racism. And of course the worry about what might have happened to Don’s mistress and her husband! ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/14 "2013-04-29T05:28:57Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > I was baffled by Peggy’s worry that the condo was “too far east.” How wide is Manhattan? Like two miles, right? How far east \*can \*you get from where you want to be? > > Also, at 23 minutes into the episode, they showed a closeup of a telephone in Don’s apartment. It was a push-button phone with 10 buttons. That’s right, 1 through zero, with no # or \* button. This bothered me. For one thing, I don’t remember such a phone ever existing, and for another, I don’t remember push-button phones even existing in 1968. Of course, I was 10 years old that year, so my memory might be fuzzy, but I didn’t think push button phones existed until the early seventies. > > Other than those quibbles, though, great episode. Loved the angst and the implicit forward and reverse racism. And of course the worry about what might have happened to Don’s mistress and her husband! It’s a Western Electric 1500. The 2500 had the standard twelve we’re used to, and it came out in 1968. Screen capture: [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/rmpVBVV.jpg) > **[Model 500 telephone | Model 1500](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_500_telephone#Model_1500)** > > The Western Electric model 1500 telephone adapted the 500 design for touch-tone dialing with a push-button pad for the digits 0 through 9. It was produced from 1963 to 1968. In addition to the basic single-line model 1500D, the 1500-series included many related variations and special purpose models with additional features. This included sets with a headset jack, 2-line sets (1510F), key sets (1560), call directors, panel phones (1750), industrial phones (1520), and automatic dialers (1660). ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/15 "2013-04-29T05:32:29Z")
[From Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-button_telephone): > [@](#): > > In the 1950s AT&T conducted extensive studies and concluded that push-button dialing was much faster than rotary dialing. On November 18, 1963, the first electronic push-button system with Touch-Tone dialing was offered by Bell Telephone to AT&T customers in Carnegie and Greensburg, Pennsylvania. > > This phone, the Western Electric 1500, had only ten buttons. In 1968 it was replaced by the twelve-button model 2500, adding the asterisk or star (\*) and pound or hash (#) keys. So 10 button touch-tone phones did exist in 1968. I don’t know if they had spread to New York between 1963 and 1968 or if it was an experiment confined to Pennsylvania. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/16 "2013-04-29T05:33:00Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > Also, at 23 minutes into the episode, they showed a closeup of a telephone in Don’s apartment. It was a push-button phone with 10 buttons. That’s right, 1 through zero, with no # or \* button. This bothered me. For one thing, I don’t remember such a phone ever existing, and for another, I don’t remember push-button phones even existing in 1968. Of course, I was 10 years old that year, so my memory might be fuzzy, but I didn’t think push button phones existed until the early seventies. We (my parents) bought our first house that year, and we had a push button phone. As kids, we were enthralled and used to play songs on it. I was thrilled they got it in there at the right time. What I also remember was there was a bug in the system where if you were talking to someone and hung up, if they didn’t hand up, you were still connected and couldn’t make another call until the other party hung up. We used that trick a lot. Not sure if that was a local thing where we lived, or more general. Loved this episode. Great character development. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/17 "2013-04-29T13:00:07Z")
I like Ginsberg, but there was too much time spent on his ‘date’ and his father. Why? (Of course, as Bobby got more screen time than he has over the whole course of the show, maybe because the next season is the last they want every character to get some screen time. Instead of just hovering in the background.) I have to say I was inordinately thrilled they were seeing Planet of the Apes, one of my favorite movies ever! Take that, horrible Betty! Bobby wasn’t watching TV - it was better! ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/18 "2013-04-29T13:01:26Z")
What was with the weird LSD-addled insurance guy? The scene was good for a few chuckles between Don and Stan but it didn’t seem to be setting anything much up or offering a whole lot. I’m sure next season will have some pivotal moment that depends on what happened last night but most of the scenes can stand on their own and that was some combination of awkward, amusing and boring. I was glad when it was over. Then again, so was Don. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/19 "2013-04-29T13:05:38Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > What was with the weird LSD-addled insurance guy? Ethan, from _Lost_. AKA, Tom Cruise’s cousin. > [@](#): > > The scene was good for a few chuckles between Don and Stan but it didn’t seem to be setting anything much up or offering a whole lot. I took it as just another snippet of the type of character one might find in that year in NYC. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/20 "2013-04-29T13:10:49Z")
Maybe. The rest of the episode seemed pretty dense in character development for a throw-away like that though. Seemed very out of place. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977.md?page=2)