# Mad-Men: 6.05 "The Flood" (open spoiler) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 29, 2013, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977 "2013-04-29T01:30:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/41 "2013-04-29T17:50:27Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Does anybody else pick up on hints that Ginsberg’s father might be Jewish? You mean like “straight out of central casting” Jewish? Yeah, I got that vibe. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/42 "2013-04-29T17:56:20Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Was the TV remote an anachronism? I don’t recall remote controls being around until much later. Don has the best of everything-- latest phone, a COLOR tv, and the latest remote. I got my first color tv in 1980. Back in the late 60’s they could cost well over $400. Considering the [minimum wage was $1.25 (or $2,500 annually)](http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774473.html), that was one expensive set. I knew people in the mid '70’s who built [Heathkit color tvs.](http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1144&dat=19700723&id=KkkqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=XlAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4402,2679328) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/43 "2013-04-29T18:00:48Z")
> [@stoplight](#): > > And what us up with the kids, they do the oddest things sometimes. Gene tore the wallpaper off because the pattern didn’t line up. OCD in the making? It was sweet how after some of his comments, Don started to see him as an interesting, separate _person_, with his own worldview. My father said that about me. That when I was a baby, he just sort of saw me as a, well, as a blob. A cute blob, but nothing he could relate to. But when I started walking and talking, there was one day when he really SAW me as a separate being with an identity. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/44 "2013-04-29T18:03:03Z")
> [@stoplight](#): > > Way out of context for Don to spill his imaginary guts to Megan. I dunno… didn’t he give her the Dick Whitman treatment at the drop of a hat? > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Gene tore the wallpaper off because the pattern didn’t line up. OCD in the making? I think it’s just kids being kids. When I was younger, there was a small bathroom tile with a pattern on it that looked like a face. One day I decided that it really bothered me so I hit it with a metal meat tenderizer. Why? God only knows… I was a kid. Seemed like a good idea at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/45 "2013-04-29T18:11:30Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > You mean like “straight out of central casting” Jewish? Yeah, I got that vibe. 😉 Exactly. As in “maybe if you throw in a prayer shawl and have a Cossack chase him around the room while he listens to Molly Picon sing Yiddish love songs you can be slightly more clear”. [QUOTE=Push You Down] I did like Don’s comforting of Bobby by saying “Henry’s not that important” and now Henry’s running for office. [/QUOTE] Speaking of, my reading of that scene was that after feeling that he’d sorta kinda bonded with his son he was hurt to realize that the kid, completely understandably, was closer to Henry than to him (or to Betty). Did anybody else read it this way? Here’s an article by Roger Ebert about [Campaigning With Paul Newman](http://www.rogerebert.com/interviews/campaigning-with-paul-newman); Newman’s few lines last night could come verbatim from this. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/46 "2013-04-29T18:52:28Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Speaking of, my reading of that scene was that after feeling that he’d sorta kinda bonded with his son he was hurt to realize that the kid, completely understandably, was closer to Henry than to him (or to Betty). Did anybody else read it this way? Yes, Like a dagger to the heart. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/47 "2013-04-29T19:15:10Z")
> [@divemaster](#): > > I watch Mad Men to see office drinking, secretry skirt chasing, locker room jokes, cheating, backstabbing, and nailing ad campaigns on a moment’s notice while hung over. I also like (most) of the family-based stuff. > > I don’t particularly watch it for the politics of the day or race riots. > > This episode did nothing for me. Voted “Didn’t Like It.” > > If it keeps on like this, I’ll probably just Netflix the first few seasons again. I don’t think you’re going to like this season. Wiener said on Fresh Air that a lot of it is going to be about the chaos in 1968, which is only beginning, and the death theme of the first episode was no accident. Those of us who lived through that year (I was a junior in high school when it began) expect nothing less. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/48 "2013-04-29T19:16:17Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > You mean like “straight out of central casting” Jewish? Yeah, I got that vibe. 😉 Straight out of 1935 Central Casting Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/49 "2013-04-29T19:21:41Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > I think a lot of the reason many of us see anachronisms with things like touch-tone phones and remote controls is that most of us didn’t grow up with Don’s wealth or social status. People like him will always be able to afford the most cutting edge things and the masses have to wait a little while before the prices of those things come down. Color TVs were not that much of a luxury item in 1968. The first one I saw about 1957-8 when for school we watched Groucho Marx in The Mikado on a color TV someone down the block had. NBC had already gone to all color, I think. And its practically a work expense for Don. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/50 "2013-04-29T19:21:41Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I don’t think you’re going to like this season. Wiener said on Fresh Air that a lot of it is going to be about the chaos in 1968, which is only beginning, and the death theme of the first episode was no accident. Those of us who lived through that year (I was a junior in high school when it began) expect nothing less. He’s also said that he doesn’t want Mad Men to be a history lesson. So though of course we’ll see how these characters react to certain events, I’d be surprised if they’re as big as a focus as that statement makes it sound. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/51 "2013-04-29T19:29:38Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > He’s also said that he doesn’t want Mad Men to be a history lesson. So though of course we’ll see how these characters react to certain events, I’d be surprised if they’re as big as a focus as that statement makes it sound. We’ll see. 1968 was the year when even people like Don couldn’t pretend that things hadn’t changed. We got hit by disaster after disaster - the King Assassination, Tet (already covered) the RFK assassination, the riots at the Democratic Convention in Chicago. Apollo 8 (which I’m sure they will show) had such a big impact because it was about the first good thing to happen all year. I’d think that ad men trying to adjust the delivery of the message to this new environment would be particularly affected. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/52 "2013-04-29T19:40:28Z")
[QUOTE=Don Draper] Loved the very awkward attempt by Joan to “console” Dawn. (But not that hideous getup Joan was wearing! Ugh, worst thing Christina Hendricks has ever put on.) [/QUOTE] Which contrasted nicely with Peggy’s sincere and received-as-such hug earlier with the same secretary with whom she’d once had a super awkward evening (remember the wallet?). Unbelievable that in my lifetime you could buy a 2BR with a parking space in Manhattan for $28,000. (Even adjusting for inflation, that’s well under $200,000 today.) And man, her realtor was a bitch; I’d get another one on general principal. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/53 "2013-04-29T19:44:26Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > …Unbelievable that in my lifetime you could buy a 2BR with a parking space in Manhattan for $28,000. (Even adjusting for inflation, that’s well under $200,000 today.) And man, her realtor was a bitch; I’d get another one on general principal. Now that I think of it I wonder if her realtor might have sabotaged her bid to protect her reputation about avoid placing “undesirables” in the building. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/54 "2013-04-29T19:56:14Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Now that I think of it I wonder if her realtor might have sabotaged her bid to protect her reputation about avoid placing “undesirables” in the building. I saw someone else mention this upthread, and was surprised to see that it was you posting the idea twice. ---
**Author:** ![Gestalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@Gestalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gestalt)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/55 "2013-04-29T20:29:36Z")
Something that I found interesting about the show was that every single person featured felt that the King assassination was an outright tragedy. Even Roger and Joan, two people whom I didn’t think would be very pro-civil-rights, were upset. I truly expected Roger, Joan, Don and Burt to be very “meh.” And I thought that Peggy would be a lot less concerned than she ended up being. I wonder if this is because by that point everyone, even the old guard, in the North felt that the goals of the civil rights movement were a good thing? Or merely disappointment because a respected activist died in such a terrible way? Then again, I would think for any activist to be respected, people would have to agree with their message. It’s different than a president, who is both a head of state and a political entity. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/56 "2013-04-29T20:40:57Z")
> [@Gestalt](#): > > Something that I found interesting about the show was that every single person featured felt that the King assassination was an outright tragedy. Even Roger and Joan, two people whom I didn’t think would be very pro-civil-rights, were upset. I truly expected Roger, Joan, Don and Burt to be very “meh.” And I thought that Peggy would be a lot less concerned than she ended up being. > > I wonder if this is because by that point everyone, even the old guard, in the North felt that the goals of the civil rights movement were a good thing? Or merely disappointment because a respected activist died in such a terrible way? Then again, I would think for any activist to be respected, people would have to agree with their message. It’s different than a president, who is both a head of state and a political entity. I think for some of them the thinking was more along the lines, “Shit! This is just going to make everything so much worse” e.g. with the rioting etc. Plus while I think most people are taken aback when some prominent figure is just outright murdered, it says a lot about the society you live in, which can frighten and sadden people. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/57 "2013-04-29T20:49:48Z")
The outfit Megan wore to the awards dinner was hideous. In 1968 any assassination was still a very big deal. It will be interesting to see how they deal with the Bobby Kennedy assassination. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/58 "2013-04-29T21:14:36Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I dunno… didn’t he give her the Dick Whitman treatment at the drop of a hat? > > I think it’s just kids being kids. When I was younger, there was a small bathroom tile with a pattern on it that looked like a face. One day I decided that it really bothered me so I hit it with a metal meat tenderizer. Why? God only knows… I was a kid. Seemed like a good idea at the time. WE had varnished blond wood doors with knots and whorls, and the one in the kitchen looked exactly like a demon. Screaming. With horns. I painted it over with finger paints and got several furious slaps from the assholes. Like I was just indulging in idle vandalism. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/59 "2013-04-29T21:25:26Z")
I don’t read the spoilers so I was surprised to see Harry Hamlin show up at the awards with Ted Chaugh. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-05-the-flood-open-spoiler/656977/60 "2013-04-29T21:47:24Z")
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