# Mad-Men: 6.10 "A Tail of Two Cities" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 3, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984 "2013-06-03T00:10:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/41 "2013-06-03T20:39:37Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > What a pile of shite. The only thing more boring than dealing with people stoned/tripping when you’re not off your face yourself is watching actors portraying people in those situations. They should start showing Mad Men episodes to kids in school to stop them thinking drugs are cool. > The show’s been lacklustre for most of this season. Man, people sure are bent out of shape over what was probably a 5-minute sequence in an extra-long episode. Plus, I’m not sure it was a drug trip we were seeing… that wasn’t really what a hashish trip is like (from what I’ve heard). I think it was a near-death experience from when Don was in the pool, which is why he snaps out of it when Roger is slapping him back to consciousness. If you recall, the “Previously On” bit at the beginning showed the scene from the first episode where Don is suggesting the print ad of a man walking into the water. PS, I just spelled consciousness correctly on my first attempt for maybe the first time in my life. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/42 "2013-06-03T20:44:00Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Man, people sure are bent out of shape over what was probably a 5-minute sequence in an extra-long episode. > > Plus, I’m not sure it was a drug trip we were seeing… that wasn’t really what a hashish trip is like (from what I’ve heard). I think it was a near-death experience from when Don was in the pool, which is why he snaps out of it when Roger is slapping him back to consciousness. > > PS, I just spelled consciousness correctly on my first attempt for maybe the first time in my life. Either way I hate that shit, and it’s not a 5 minute section in this episode, it’s yet another gobbledygook drug/dream/death sequence in a season that has relied too much on them. It sucks in Mad Men and it sucks in every other show where they try to do it\*. \*There may be exceptions to this but as a general rule drug trips, dream sequences etc. are the worst parts of often otherwise very good fictional tv. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/43 "2013-06-03T20:52:38Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > Either way I hate that shit, and it’s not a 5 minute section in this episode, it’s yet another gobbledygook drug/dream/death sequence in a season that has relied too much on them. It sucks in Mad Men and it sucks in every other show where they try to do it\*. > \*There may be exceptions to this but as a general rule drug trips, dream sequences etc. are the worst parts of often otherwise very good fictional tv. You must have really hated “Newhart”. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/44 "2013-06-03T21:09:25Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > You must have really hated “Newhart”. Never seen it nor heard of it, thank fuck. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/45 "2013-06-03T21:11:50Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > Never seen it nor heard of it, thank fuck. Thank you for saying this, it helps me and others know how highly we should value your opinions on things. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/46 "2013-06-03T21:16:14Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Plus, I’m not sure it was a drug trip we were seeing… that wasn’t really what a hashish trip is like (from what I’ve heard). It’s not (from what I have experienced as recently as a couple of weeks ago). There isn’t really such a thing as a hashish “trip”. It’s more or less similar to a marijuana high. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/47 "2013-06-03T21:19:08Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > > [@An\_Gadai](#): > > > > Never seen it nor heard of it, thank fuck. > > Thank you for saying this, it helps me and others know how highly we should value your opinions on things. He’s Irish. I doubt that the Newhart show played overseas. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/48 "2013-06-03T21:19:19Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Thank you for saying this, it helps me and others know how highly we should value your opinions on things. Very highly I take it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/49 "2013-06-03T21:22:49Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > It disturbs me that the show is really going there with the “Megan is Sharon Stone” subtext. The red star T-shirt last week, now her showing up in Don’s out-of-body experience in a flower power outfit gushing about the baby she’s carrying? I happen to like Megan and would absolutely hate seeing anything bad happen to her. (Well, anything aside from being Don Draper’s naive wife. That’s a bad thing.) The baby’s not real, at least not yet. That was just in Don’s head during his trip/near death experience. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/50 "2013-06-03T21:34:20Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The baby’s not real, at least not yet. That was just in Don’s head during his trip/near death experience. Sharon Tate was pregnant… Between that, the red-star t-shirt last week, and the LA scene stuff, I’m beginning to think there’s something to that Megan-as-Tate theory. BTW, I had to look him up because I couldn’t remember him - but here’s [Danny Siegel](http://madmen.wikia.com/wiki/Danny_Siegel) the last time we saw him. He was the copywriter that Roger had to hire as a favor to his wife Jane (he’s her cousin). They weren’t going to hire him but were forced to after Don inadvertently used one of Danny’s taglines (from his interview). ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/51 "2013-06-03T21:38:58Z")
Someone at the LA party last night mentioned going to a different house. I thought that might have been Sharon Tate’s house for that infamous night, but looked it up in Wikipedia, and the murders were in 1969. (And I thought perhaps Bob Benson might be tied to the Stonewall Riot, but again, that was 1969.) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/52 "2013-06-03T21:44:30Z")
Did I understand correctly that Bob will be exiled to Detroit to work on Chevy full time? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/53 "2013-06-03T21:51:24Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The baby’s not real, at least not yet. That was just in Don’s head during his trip/near death experience. I thought that in the so-called previews there was a hint that Megan might be about to tell Don she’s pregnant. But I think I’ve established that no one can trust my recall of this (or possibly) any episode. Peace out. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/54 "2013-06-03T21:54:52Z")
Sounds that way. It makes sense, actually. Bob worked with Ken and it’s not as though they’d send Pete out there and lose their other head account guy. Nor is either of the senior partners in accounts about to play court jester to some guys in Detroit. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/55 "2013-06-04T05:45:27Z")
I like Roger, but really, enough is enough. He deserved that shot to the scrotum. He was being an ass. Harry Hamlin continues to amaze me. He creates a character that is about as far from his previous persona as is humanly possible, and makes it work. And funny! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/56 "2013-06-04T07:30:55Z")
The drugs bugged me, but what bugged me even more was the political rants from both sides. They seem cut and pasted, with no real reasoning. I was in high school at the time, with a lot of political discussion, and went to Cambridge for college the year after, and no one I knew, left or right, spoke that way. I don’t think Weiner has a clue about how we discussed politics back then. Don, with his jacket and tie at a Hollywood pool party, is increasingly out of it, isn’t he? I think younger ad men started fleeing and opening up boutique shops around then - maybe that will happen. The self loathing they must feel is beginning to come through. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/57 "2013-06-04T14:26:05Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I will say that Pete’s spent the last few months flustered about his lack of position in the company or fretting that he was being squeezed out. But no one else has expressed any lack of confidence in him, either to him or amongst themselves. Ted passed off Avon to Pete like it was completely natural, not with reluctance or “Damn, everyone’s gone except Pete”. It’s as though Pete’s entire workplace “failure” neurosis is completely in his own head. Pete’s entirely right, though, that the merger has completely changed the firm and that Chaough and Cutler are angling to squeeze out the SCDP people, and it’s basically kind of a running gag at this point that he can’t get anyone to listen to him. Coupled with his loss of Vicks, Joan’s angling to squeeze him out, and Ted saddling him with “New Business,” I can certainly see where his fears are coming from. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/58 "2013-06-04T16:06:26Z")
Cutler wanted to squeeze out the SCDP people. Chaough was against it. Cutler brought up mass-firing SCDP people in everyone’s absence and Chaough was talking about “It’s not ‘their people’ and ‘our people’…” and that they can’t fire Ginsberg because he’s too good. Maybe something will change to reflect otherwise but, right now, Chaough is depicted as the only real mature and level-headed guy in the partnership (except maybe Cooper). Which is quite the departure from the glimpses we saw of him as Don’s nemesis in previous seasons. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/59 "2013-06-04T16:10:10Z")
Roger seems fairly level-headed about it as well, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984/60 "2013-06-04T16:10:50Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Maybe something will change to reflect otherwise but, right now, Chaough is depicted as the only real mature and level-headed guy in the partnership (except maybe Cooper). Which is quite the departure from the glimpses we saw of him as Don’s nemesis in previous seasons. What immature and unbalanced things did he do? Sure, he competed with SCDP for business, but that’s the nature of the game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-10-a-tail-of-two-cities/659984.md?page=4)