# Mad-Men: 6.13 "In Care Of", SEASON FINALE, (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 24, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748 "2013-06-24T01:42:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/101 "2013-06-25T18:57:29Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Anyone else think that Don might head to California anyway next season? Weiner just went through enormous gyrations to pare the cast of the non-core members who have proliferating. The characters might head in all directions at the end of the season, but looks like we’re going to start season one all over again just forwarded nine years in time. That’s not a perfect analogy, because Pete and Paul and Sal won’t be there (or will they…) but getting back to Don, Betty, Sally, Roger, Peggy, and Joan will help the bloated storylines. Who knows. Maybe even Bert will finally have an episode! ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/102 "2013-06-25T19:03:27Z")
The show’s made a lot out of the parallel between Don lying to sell himself as Don Draper at the same time he worked at an ad agency lying to sell product. If he moves to CA to start a fresh, lie-free life, I doubt he’ll continue in advertising. (Maybe he’ll open a bordello?) Anyone know how Korean War deserters were treated? There was an interesting bit on Fresh Air a few weeks ago about WWII deserters and how they were generally treated leniently. And of course Vietnam deserters were eventually pardoned. I wonder happened to the Don Drapers who turned themselves in. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/103 "2013-06-25T19:05:51Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Anyone know how Korean War deserters were treated? There was an interesting bit on Fresh Air a few weeks ago about WWII deserters and how they were generally treated leniently. And of course Vietnam deserters were eventually pardoned. I wonder happened to the Don Drapers who turned themselves in. I think that it was that the Vietnam draft evaders were pardoned, not the deserters. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/104 "2013-06-25T19:14:38Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I think that it was that the Vietnam draft evaders were pardoned, not the deserters. Ford pardoned Vietnam deserters, though it came with a few more strings attached then Carter’s later pardon of draft evaders. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/105 "2013-06-25T19:18:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The post you quoted only said Sally had a better understanding of where Don had come from and that she couldn’t judge him in the same way she had been doing. That in no way states or implies that his past justifies his present day asshole behavior. I think you guys are working from different interpretations of not being able to judge someone the way you have been. He’s interpreting it as meaning that Sally’s no longer allowed to judge Don at all, that she has to stop her practice of evaluating him and usually finding him wanting, while you’re taking it to mean that the way she judges him has to change because the context has shifted. **Exapno** , present actions matter. But only really little kids use the present moment as their only criteria–Daddy just gave me ice cream so he’s awesome, Daddy just put me in time out so he’s horrible. Even pre-school kids will factor in past incidents when deciding how they feel about someone–Daddy just put me in time out, but he gave me ice cream yesterday and played with me this morning, so he’s a pretty good guy. Even that early, our world is shifting from black and white to shades of gray. The more we grow, the more context we use in our evaluations and the more shades of gray our world holds. Even when we don’t agree with someone’s actions, we’re more apt to understand those actions, to be able to forgive that person and move forward. Except Sally doesn’t really have any context for Don, only what she’s experienced first-hand. No stories from him, no grandparents to watch him interact with, not even any old pictures to give her any clues about who he is and why he acts the way he does. Her view of him is a lot more black and white than her view of, say, Betty. Seeing that old house, a whole lot of gray just poured in, and now she has to look at him through them and come up with a new view of him. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/106 "2013-06-25T19:19:11Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Ford pardoned Vietnam deserters, though it came with a few more strings attached then Carter’s later pardon of draft evaders. Interesting. > **[The Learning Network](https://www.nytimes.com/section/learning)** > > Teach and learn with The Times: Resources for bringing the world into your classroom ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/107 "2013-06-25T20:09:43Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I think the little speech he gave about wanting to go back to California was telling. He doesn’t want to just put distance between himself and his mistakes, but he has a real yearning to go back to something simpler, smaller, and fresh. He’s done with New York and Madison avenue. I think what he told Megan was more telling: “We were happy there.” He wants to be happy. As you pointed out, California has been a place where he has been happy. However, earlier this season he was bewildered at his California trip going wrong. I think he was trying to _convince_ himself that California would make him happy… and wasn’t too successful with himself. Even so, where he was at in his head when talking to Ted and then Megan about wanting to go to California, obviously changed over the course of the episode. His wake-up call with Betty started him in changing his mind, so he resigns himself to staying in NY and working on his (and his kids’, by extension) problems. Then SC&P pulls _that_ rug out from under him. Where we leave him then, is interacting honestly with his kids in what might be the first time ever for him. His kids are in NY, and that’s all he has to work for now, so I don’t think he’ll be going to California. _Megan_ might (let’s hope), and he might actually follow through on being bi-coastal like he suggested. But I think Don’s head will still be in NY – even if it’s not in advertising. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/108 "2013-06-25T20:21:53Z")
> [@CrazyCatLady](#): > > The more we grow, the more context we use in our evaluations and the more shades of gray our world holds. Even when we don’t agree with someone’s actions, we’re more apt to understand those actions, to be able to forgive that person and move forward. Read any history of abused children and understanding and forgiveness are slippery notions that have virtually nothing to do with the backgrounds of the abuser. It simply doesn’t matter if the abuser was abused. I’m not saying that Sally was abused, although emotional abuse is hard to define. She has no reason to like or trust her father at this point. Most importantly, she is 14. And we keep being given parallels to Don at 14. Has his growing awareness of his parents’ and stepparents’ situations ever made a difference to his life? Has he ever forgiven? Clearly not. Understanding has to precede forgiving, but doesn’t necessarily cause it. There are few happy endings in life. If Weiner is implying that a talk about Don’s bad childhood will make a particle of difference to Sally’s feelings toward him, he’s asking too much of me. I don’t believe it for a second. Teenagers are not supposed to understand and forgive their parents’ actions. And parents can never use their own histories as excuses. I’m surprised that any of you are accepting that. If Weiner is instead implying that Don will be a new person, that’s a television possibility and we can only judge by what we see next season. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/109 "2013-06-25T20:42:22Z")
Any chance Don goes to another agency? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/110 "2013-06-25T20:52:42Z")
Don is still a (senior) partner in SC&P. I don’t see another agency hiring a _partner_ of one of their competitors. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/111 "2013-06-25T20:55:16Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Any chance Don goes to another agency? I doubt it. I’m sure he has a contract with SC&P, and it would have a non-compete clause. He’d be free to go if they’d FIRED him, but absent egregious misconduct like Lane’s embezzling, firing him would require buying out his portion of the business, which I suspect is ample–maybe a sixth. I expect his suspension means he won’t be drawing a salary and won’t be engaging in firm business, but he’ll still be sharing in the profits; he’s reduced to a silent partner for the nonce. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/112 "2013-06-25T21:00:12Z")
Plus having him go to another agency would require introducing a whole new set of characters in the last season. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/113 "2013-06-25T21:07:29Z")
“For the nonce” is a term I had to look up. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/114 "2013-06-25T21:08:56Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > “For the nonce” is a term I had to look up. And I’ve had to look up terms like “boss battle” when people make video game references. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/115 "2013-06-25T23:22:46Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > …(B) Pete going to LA stretches the SC&P sales force to almost no one in the NY office… I think the guy Duck brought in was a replacement for Pete, not Don. They made a big deal about Peggy stepping into his shoes; to the point of literally showing her taking over his office. > [@Bob Ducca](#): > > …Don had just had the (literal) wake-up call from Betty about Sally’s problems at school, where she made the comment about Sally being from a broken home… And remember Sally was suspended for \*underage drinking \* (which I found hard to believe until I remembered that this was before photo ID, and the drinking age was only 18 then). Granted we’ve seen no evidence that Sally actually as a drinking problem or is even on the road to one, it’s still something that’d terrify Don & Betty. > [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > Don, as a partner, can’t be fired. His ownership stake stays. But Don, as an employee, can be fired or suspended, which seems to be what happened. He’ll still get his share of the profits, but possibly not his salary (which, as a partner, is probably trivial anyway)… I don’t even think they can reduce him to a silent partner; sure they can deny him any direct role in running the firm, but they can’t stop him from showing up to partners’ meetings and voting. Of course they can apparently form a quorum without him to say nothing of simply outvoting him. Not that Don’s ever shown much interest in going to the meetings. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Actually, I think we saw Pete going to driving school earlier this season. He was in a class with teenagers. That was last season; Pete can drive automatics, but not standard. He also really hates driving. BTW I’d like to apologize for the random **Man of Steel** comments in the middle of my last post; I was tired & must’ve hit pasted without realizing it. :o ---
**Author:** ![Zjestika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8edcca/32.png) [@Zjestika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zjestika)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/116 "2013-06-26T02:25:12Z")
There are matching CURTAINS for the sofa at the Campbells’??? Best episode ever! ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/117 "2013-06-26T03:41:24Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > In fact, I’m starting to wonder if Tom Batiuk is on the writing staff. Hee hee! I usually keep a firewall in place between my comics discussions and all my other ones, but this nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/118 "2013-06-26T11:14:58Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > The Detroit thing just seemed dumb to me. There was no where to drive a car TO in the building. Even if Pete hadn’t backed into the sign, where the hell was he supposed to drive to that would make a sports car worth driving? Fifteen or twenty feet forward and then stopping? And the GM guys were all “Oh, you have to do it” for that? They wanted him to drive it all around the floor. That was a huge atrium. You’ve seen how reckless they are. They wouldn’t have cared if he had knocked everything down. > [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I don’t understand why Pete is going though… It seems Ted as a major partner would handle creative and accounts… what does he need Pete for? I don’t think we’ve _ever_ seen an executive at the firm handle both creative and accounts. There has always been a bright line between the two, and early on Pete almost got fired for crossing that line. Ted is creative. He doesn’t do accounts. > [@amarinth](#): > > I thought “Betty” was short for “Elizabeth.” Yes, “Betty” is derived from “Elizabeth”, just as “Sally” is derived from Sarah," but there was a scene in an earlier season in which Don said that Sally’s full name is “Sally Betty Draper.” > [@Jophiel](#): > > I think Duck’s guy is just padding creative with both Ted & Don gone. Peggy will be locally running the show. Otherwise, her in Don’s chair was a wasted scene. Yes, they’ll need another creative guy to fill the vacancy that Peggy leaves when she moves up. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/119 "2013-06-26T11:29:24Z")
Or Sally Beth Draper. I don’t recall exactly, but she definitely had two nicknames/diminutives for her legal name. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/120 "2013-06-26T12:08:41Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Yes, “Betty” is derived from “Elizabeth”, just as “Sally” is derived from > Sarah," but there was a scene in an earlier season in which Don said that Sally’s full name is “Sally Betty Draper.” There was a scene earlier in _this episode_ where we see the summons addressed to Sally, and her middle name is “Beth”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748.md?page=7)