# Mad-Men: 6.13 "In Care Of", SEASON FINALE, (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 24, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748 "2013-06-24T01:42:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/121 "2013-06-26T12:14:52Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > …Yes, they’ll need another creative guy to fill the vacancy that Peggy leaves when she moves up. They’re bringing in an older guy in a suit to serve _under_ Peggy? He’ll sit with Stan & Ginsberg & the other weirdos? It seems to me the NYC partners are a bit too conservative for that; Joan has a very small share. Nope, I think that Peggy’s look at the corner office was just a clue to her aspirations. Which will be kept on hold as she works under a guy who, at least, seems resolutely unattractive. As the next season opens, we may get a hint that enough time has passed that Don is missed. By some in the office, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/122 "2013-06-26T13:04:46Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > They wanted him to drive it all around the floor. That was a huge atrium. You’ve seen how reckless they are. They wouldn’t have cared if he had knocked everything down. Well, apparently they did care if Pete knocked stuff down 😉 I didn’t see enough space to make driving the car worthwhile. Too much other stuff in the atrium (front desk, other cars, displays, benches, people). Especially since the whole schtick was the thrill of driving a powerful car which isn’t much of a thrill at 20mph. I “get” the scene, I just don’t buy it. > [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > They’re bringing in an older guy in a suit to serve _under_ Peggy? He’ll sit with Stan & Ginsberg & the other weirdos? It seems to me the NYC partners are a bit too conservative for that; Joan has a very small share. Well, the suit could have been primarily for interviewing purposes. I’m sure Stan wore a tie his first day, too. I have a harder time imagining them bringing in an unknown guy they headhunted to hold one of the most important spots in the company versus having Peggy, a proven asset who has led creative before, do it on a temporary basis. Either until Don is back, they pull Ted back from CA or something else. Guess we’ll find out next season though. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/123 "2013-06-26T13:34:51Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > > [@Jophiel](#): > > > > The Detroit thing just seemed dumb to me. There was no where to drive a car TO in the building. Even if Pete hadn’t backed into the sign, where the hell was he supposed to drive to that would make a sports car worth driving? Fifteen or twenty feet forward and then stopping? And the GM guys were all “Oh, you have to do it” for that? > > They wanted him to drive it all around the floor. That was a huge atrium. You’ve seen how reckless they are. They wouldn’t have cared if he had knocked everything down. I assumed that had Pete driven the car forward, there would have been a big set of doors through which he could drive the car out of the building (which would have been [this one](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/General_Motors_building_089833pv.jpg), I think). ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/124 "2013-06-26T13:48:18Z")
I don’t think so. Pete demurred at driving the car in the building and Bob said he did it yesterday and the GM guys were like “It’s our building”. It didn’t sound as though he was going out onto the street. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/125 "2013-06-26T14:52:59Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Well, apparently they did care if Pete knocked stuff down 😉 They didn’t care that he knocked stuff down; they cared he couldn’t drive a stick. If he’d been caroming around showing off and knocked the same thing down, they’d have been cheering him on. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/126 "2013-06-26T14:53:45Z")
I know. Hence the winking smiley face. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/127 "2013-06-26T14:55:44Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I don’t think so. Pete demurred at driving the car in the building and Bob said he did it yesterday and the GM guys were like “It’s our building”. It didn’t sound as though he was going out onto the street. I’ve read that that set is a pretty faithful re-creation of GM’s real lobby. There were probably real-life stories about people driving the new hot rods around in there that Matt Weiner incorporated into the show. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/128 "2013-06-26T19:14:06Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I have a harder time imagining them bringing in an unknown guy they headhunted to hold one of the most important spots in the company versus having Peggy, a proven asset who has led creative before, do it on a temporary basis. Either until Don is back, they pull Ted back from CA or something else. Guess we’ll find out next season though. He’s not an unknown guy; Don knew who he was. When they hired Ginsberg, Don neither knew who he was nor did he care – as far as Don was concerned, all the Ginsberg-types were interchangeable nobodies. Whomever Duck was bringing in to interview was definitely _not_ on a Stan or Ginsberg level. Remember that Don was not supposed to know about this guy coming in – Duck came in early (as Don pointed out; probably deliberately and maliciously on Duck’s part). When Joan said that Ted would direct Peggy from California, she was being diplomatic. As we’ve seen since this show started, when clients come in for an office visit, they expect to meet with the Creative Director. If Ted is in California, they need someone in NY. As Peggy will still be reporting to Ted, _she_ won’t be heading Creative. Ergo, they need someone new in NY for that. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/129 "2013-06-26T19:21:21Z")
That doesn’t make sense. If they expect to meet with the creative director, then they’ll still be disappointed because Ted’s not there. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/130 "2013-06-26T19:25:11Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That doesn’t make sense. If they expect to meet with the creative director, then they’ll still be disappointed because Ted’s not there. That’s the point; the nameless fellow accompanying Duck is the new creative director. Ted would have had the job had he not gone to California to save his marriage from Peggy’s tempting ass, but as he moved to California to save his marriage from Peggy’s tempting ass, that cannot be the case. There’s no information, of course, but I wonder if the new guy will be asked to buy a partnership so as to be on a more equal footing? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/131 "2013-06-26T19:54:59Z")
Don was creative director for years before becoming a partner. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/132 "2013-06-26T20:05:19Z")
Also, it would not be worth Duck’s while to headhunt a Ginsberg or Stan (or probably, not even a Peggy). He deals on the Pete or Don level – that’s probably why he popped back up earlier this season, to twist the knife that Don is being replaced. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/133 "2013-06-26T20:09:55Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Don was creative director for years before becoming a partner. And he was essentially forced into the partnership because Sterling & Cooper noticed Don was being courted by other agencies and wanted to lock him down. I can’t imagine they’d want the same marriage with a new guy they hired. > [@Lightray](#): > > Also, it would not be worth Duck’s while… 95% of the time we see Duck, he’s being a chump. I’d figure it to be worth Duck’s while to fish a half-eaten candy bar out of a sidewalk trash bin. There’s a reason Duck is in the headhunting game; he’s pretty much unemployable in the advertising business. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/134 "2013-06-26T20:16:16Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > that’s probably why he popped back up earlier this season, to twist the knife that Don is being replaced. Yeah, I’d say that the shot of him running into Don at the elevators was the only reason they brought him in throughout the season. Set up what he’s up to, what he does, and then when we see him we know. Classic use of “Show, don’t Tell.” ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/135 "2013-06-26T20:23:31Z")
The show has treated the Chevy execs like cretins, including their treatment of Ken (the wild ride and then wanting to stop for lunch after shooting him) and driving Pete into the wilderness upon learning he can’t drive a stick (something you wouldn’t think would make a nickel’s worth of difference in an ad man). Is this a preexisting stereotype of auto execs? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/136 "2013-06-26T20:27:50Z")
Maybe they’re just extending a stereotype of Chevy owners to Chevrolet executives. ---
**Author:** ![Disheavel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Disheavel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disheavel)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/137 "2013-06-26T20:31:55Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > 😕 > And the rest of us are…? lol, I just meant that I tend not to go too deep into the analysis, symbolism, meaning, or hints about what is to come. I simply watch Mad Men. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/138 "2013-06-26T20:42:51Z")
> [@Disheavel](#): > > I simply watch Mad Men. [Aragorn would like a word with you.](http://cdn0.meme.li/instances/300x300/39165428.jpg) Also, yes, I cringed a bit at myself for making that. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/139 "2013-06-26T20:51:41Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > [Aragorn would like a word with you.](http://cdn0.meme.li/instances/300x300/39165428.jpg) > > Also, yes, I cringed a bit at myself for making that. I believe you mean “Boromir.” ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748/140 "2013-06-26T21:17:26Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I believe you mean “Boromir.” I’m actually quite relieved that I got them mixed up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-6-13-in-care-of-season-finale-open-spoilers/661748.md?page=8)