# Mad-Men: 7.05 "The Runaways" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2014, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221 "2014-05-12T00:15:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/81 "2014-05-14T13:20:03Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > He was wearing one during the Scout’s Honor meeting, wasn’t he? Just a shirt in the bathroom. Cardigan in the aborted meeting. Looks like a regular suit jacket under his topcoat when he ditches Don instead of working late. Sports coat in the “pod” meeting with [del]Bowman[/del] Cutler. Suit coat for the meeting with the tobacco people. (Which would have been a must. Esp. at the Algonquin.) So still fairly casual walking around the office, in his office and coming in on Saturday. * * * Anyway, the thought of Stephanie ending up at Altamont in December of 1969, got me thinking of the show’s final timeline and when it might end. The end of 1969 would be perfect, but they might be running a bit fast at this point and go into 1970 some. But [1969](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969) was such an interesting year. Not too many notable deaths. Ike’s has been referred to twice. Mary Jo Kopechne’s (July 18) is notable because of the Kennedys. Some events were notable only in later years. E.g., the Stonewall riots (June 28). The birth of Jack Black.🙂 No mention of the recent Apollo 8 or 9 missions. Apollo 10 will probably be skipped as well. Can’t avoid 11. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/82 "2014-05-14T14:14:31Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Agreed on the bathroom stall thing. Didn’t they do that every 5 minutes on Ally McBeal? > > Lou is really a twerp though. Stan and Ginsberg were being jerks about it, but they’re a couple of “creatives” in an ad agency. A certain amount of jerkiness is a job requirement. 😛 Amazing that Lou has gotten as far as he has in the industry without growing a thicker skin–or at least being able to fake one. > > It’s amazing analysis even if you don’t go for that sort of thing. Reading it brings out a lot of nuances that are easy to miss. > > p.s. Did you notice that Lou ditched the cardigans for suits as soon as Don came back on the scene? Yes! Lou got a wakeup call and put on his armour! 😛 (My favorite Tom & Lorenzo writing is about Joan. Who knew the roses on her dresses meant so much? And I have been waiting to see if, and how, her wardrobe would be updated for the 60’s. Her figure would not be flattered by Twiggy-ish miniskirts!) ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/83 "2014-05-14T14:31:42Z")
Am I the only one wondering what Harry Crane was doing out in LA? I thought he was based in New York, talking to Cutler about getting a computer. I thought that he’d been sacked at first because of the unremarked appearance, Roger said he was gone, when Cutler wanted a computer. But nobody seemed to care that Crane was out there, though I imagine that LA featured quite a lot of TV connections, which Harry was involved with… ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/84 "2014-05-14T14:40:20Z")
Harry has been spending time in California on a regular basis for several seasons now, since long before there was a west coast office. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/85 "2014-05-14T14:45:16Z")
Yeah, there’s been episodes from the last few seasons where Harry comes in, looking all California and talking about the west coast way of doing things. Usually to the bemusement of the New York gang. During Kinsey’s one-episode return, he asks Harry to shop his Star Trek script because he knows that Harry had connections in LA. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/86 "2014-05-14T15:29:43Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Just a shirt in the bathroom. > Cardigan in the aborted meeting. > Looks like a regular suit jacket under his topcoat when he ditches Don instead of working late. > Sports coat in the “pod” meeting with [del]Bowman[/del] Cutler. > Suit coat for the meeting with the tobacco people. (Which would have been a must. Esp. at the Algonquin.) > > So still fairly casual walking around the office, in his office and coming in on Saturday. Cardigan with his underlings. Suit jacket with his overlords. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/87 "2014-05-14T16:02:39Z")
**Nipclipper** - N. A type of conspiracy theorist who has become disconnected from reality to the point of performing actions detrimental to him/herself or others. _He doesn’t believe in the moon landing but he’s not really a nipclipper, he’s harmless._ ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/88 "2014-05-14T16:05:52Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Although I think they could have literally worked the falling man from the credits into the ending, we’re past the point where they’d need to set that up. The falling man ends up in a pretty relaxed position of power. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/89 "2014-05-14T17:55:38Z")
Woo! Mad Style is up! Not one of their best ones, but they didn’t have as much to work with this week as usual. Quoting myself here… > [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Cardigan with his underlings. Suit jacket with his overlords. Because Tom and Lorenzo concur… > [@](#): > > Note Don in shirtsleeves, like a junior copywriter. Note Lou, who deliberately screws with Don this episode and openly insults him. He’s back to wearing his signature cardigan. Still threatened by Don, but comfortable enough in his power to go back to his signature look instead of trying to impress Jim Cutler. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/90 "2014-05-14T18:22:20Z")
No link? ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/91 "2014-05-14T20:23:08Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > No link? [Link](http://tomandlorenzo.com/tag/mad-men-season-7/) (for the season). ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/92 "2014-05-14T23:17:07Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Cardigan with his underlings. Suit jacket with his overlords. So he didn’t purposefully ditch the cardigans for suits because Don showed up, there just wasn’t a scene (2 episodes ago) with him in a creative meeting which is where he usually puts on a cardigan. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/93 "2014-05-14T23:20:29Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Woo! Mad Style is up! Not one of their best ones, but they didn’t have as much to work with this week as usual. > > Quoting myself here… > > Because Tom and Lorenzo concur… Hm. They mentioned the angle of the hat but not the mismatched color. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/94 "2014-05-15T01:18:37Z")
I don’t know; my father was a Mad Men era kind of guy. A professional, a lawyer, and I can remember the adults joking that he was hanging onto hats much longer than a lot of men —like into the 70s. And I don’t remember he had an overabundance of hats. I remember in particular a dark green one and a wool felt dark gray maybe for winter but I can’t imagine men having hats to go with every suit. More like to go with overcoats. That said, yes, I did notice that it didn’t really go with the suit he was wearing as others have mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stafford\_Cripps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stafford_cripps/32/7167_2.png) [@The\_Stafford\_Cripps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stafford_Cripps)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/95 "2014-05-15T08:38:46Z")
It was clear from not long after Ginsberg appeared in the series that the writers had him developing a serious psychotic illness. I thought they might combine the inevitable breakdown with the Stonewall riots, but it seems that won’t be happening now. ---
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/96 "2014-05-16T04:23:11Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Stephanie is in Oakland. Oakland is west of [Altamont](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Free_Concert). Marigold/Margaret is somewhere near Bethel, NY. I think both festivals are going to visited in later episodes. I don’t think Stephanie is in Oakland. When she called Don and Megan and said she was in Oakland, it looked like the Capitol Records building was in the background. I think she was calling from the same phone booth she originally called from. She’s still in LA. I wonder what she’s up to. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/97 "2014-05-16T05:47:49Z")
> [@Rhiannon8404](#): > > I don’t think Stephanie is in Oakland. When she called Don and Megan and said she was in Oakland, it looked like the Capitol Records building was in the background. I think she was calling from the same phone booth she originally called from. She’s still in LA. I wonder what she’s up to. The Capitol Records building was in the background of her first phone call. It was not in the background of her second call. If you look at the Mad Style link above. they have still from that scene. They note how its not clear that it’s Oakland, but she and the background people are dressed more warmly than what would make sense for LA. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221/98 "2014-05-16T08:38:09Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > So he didn’t purposefully ditch the cardigans for suits because Don showed up, there just wasn’t a scene (2 episodes ago) with him in a creative meeting which is where he usually puts on a cardigan. What is so wrong with a [cardigan](http://www.snappynewday.com/wp-content/gallery/Rogers/mrrogers_image.gif), anyway? That’s what boggles me: Lou with a cardigan does bring a certain Pittsburgher to mind, and yet his personality is the complete opposite – sour, impatient, petty and uncreative. ---
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Maybe Stephanie’s not even pregnant, and is just trying to milk cash out of Don. ---
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> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > The Capitol Records building was in the background of her first phone call. > It was not in the background of her second call. If you look at the Mad Style link above. they have still from that scene. They note how its not clear that it’s Oakland, but she and the background people are dressed more warmly than what would make sense for LA. Thanks! I knew the scene was weird. I wanted to go back and rewatch it more closely, but my husband erased it off the dvr. I’ll check out Mad Style. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-05-the-runaways-open-spoilers/688221.md?page=6)