# Mad-Men: 7.07 "Waterloo" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 26, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257 "2014-05-26T01:23:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/41 "2014-05-27T03:33:51Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Eh, we’ve seen Don weasel his way out of agreements and contracts all the time. I’m curious if they’ll tell McCann about Dick Whitman, though… Only Cooper and Pete know about Dick Whitman. Don didn’t spill those beans at the Hershey meeting. > [@eenerms](#): > > Would someone please explain why Roger went to Mccain . I don’t quite get it. Avd they would give cash bonus?? Business mergers for the remedial please;) McCann has to buy the partners’ shares with cash in order to gain 51 percent control. It’s not a bonus. > [@alphaboi867](#): > > I think they’d have to buy his shares back from his heirs; when Lane died they had to cut Mrs Pryce a check (presumably they could’ve avoided that at the cost of a nasty legal battle over his embezzlement). Lane killed himself before Don ever told anyone else about the embezzlement. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/42 "2014-05-27T05:28:09Z")
Cutler is a jerk but his idea of building an ad agency around data-crunching with the 360 is actually quite brilliant, decades ahead of its time but still quite feasible by 1969. He and poor Crane should form their own agency. ---
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/43 "2014-05-27T13:13:05Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > Cutler is a jerk but his idea of building an ad agency around data-crunching with the 360 is actually quite brilliant, decades ahead of its time but still quite feasible by 1969. He and poor Crane should form their own agency. It was Harry’s idea though. I think that Cutler has proven to be a “me too” kind of guy. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/44 "2014-05-27T13:18:21Z")
The WTF ending (which I think is becoming the official name) cracked me up for a slightly obscure reason, which may not be entirely unconnected. In the 1950 novella “The Man Who Sold the Moon,” the capstone to his Future History series, Robert Heinlein has his protagonist frantically using marketing techniques to sway public opinion about the first (commercial) trip to the moon. He tells a minion, hey, remember this song - and sings a few bars of “The Best Things In Life Are Free” - and adds, I want it back on the charts in two weeks. The combination of a moon landing, that song and the naked use of the levers of marketing is not a common one. Maybe it’s totally unconnected, but it made me laugh. More so than Robert Morse’s soft-sock. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/45 "2014-05-27T14:01:20Z")
Here’s that [Q&A with Robert Morse](http://blogs.amctv.com/mad-men/2014/05/qa-robert-morse-bertram-cooper-2/). Here’s one snippet: > [@](#): > > Q: How did you find out that Bert Cooper would be dying in this episode? > > A: Matthew Weiner came to me and said, “Bobby, I want to talk to you… You’re going to pass away in this episode. I’m sorry.” I said, “I perfectly understand.” And he said, “By the way, I’ve always wanted to have you sing. That’s what I remember you from, all your Broadway and theater days. When I hired you, always, in the back of my mind, I wanted you to sing a song, but there was never a place to do it.” And then he came up with this idea. He said, “I am going to make you come back in the last shot in the picture and sing a song to Don.” [Morse sings] “The moon belongs to everyone. The best things in life are free.” They had this wonderful choreographer, Mary Ann Kellogg, whom I knew very well, and hired four or five beautiful dancers who would play secretaries… I dance with them and also sing to Don, and it’s a whole production. I went and learned the song, and I went into the studio and we recorded it with a huge orchestra. Then we rehearsed it on the set for a couple of days, away from everybody else. Nobody knew what was going on… It was just a lovely way, a sweet way, for dear Matt to send me off. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/46 "2014-05-27T14:04:27Z")
I really enjoyed that episode! A great ending to the half season and Robert Morse dancing and singing just was the perfect capper (IMO). I also almost forgot about Meredith trying to ‘comfort’ Don because there was just so much great stuff in the episode. Peggy really nailed that pitch. That was fantastic stuff. And Roger made one heck of a last second deal. I think while we are focused on this half-season being the redemption of Don - it was also the redemption of Peggy and Roger (at least from where they were in Episode 1 of this season). ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/47 "2014-05-27T14:04:36Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > …Sally was into the jock and parroted his words to Don. Don asked if that’s what she really believed and then she went outside and saw Neil - someone actually being passionate and hands on with what was happening vs the brother that was just sitting inside bitching about it. I think that’s what really got her attention. Interesting that the nerd’s name was Neil. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/48 "2014-05-27T17:33:28Z")
I loved all the high points and I’ll miss old Bert! That dance number was something else. The look on Don’s face was magical: bewildered, happy, amazed, sad. Dancing in argyle socks: one giant soft-shoe for mankind. What about Peggy and her little boy Julio? Mommy that I am, I was crying with her when he told her he was moving away. Then she left the impression that it was _her_ 10-year-old, watching TV back in New York. \ ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/49 "2014-05-27T18:09:34Z")
I loved the look on Don’s face when Peggy said that. 10 year old waiting at home? Wha? ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/50 "2014-05-27T18:12:12Z")
For all of those feeling sorry for Harry Crane, if he hadn’t spilled the beans to Don in LA the whole thing could have played out differently. Harry wasn’t ready for prime time. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/51 "2014-05-27T18:13:44Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I loved the look on Don’s face when Peggy said that. 10 year old waiting at home? Wha? The AV Club recap of this episode reminded me that Peggy gave up a child for adoption a few years earlier. They suggested that she views Julio as sort of the reincarnation of that child. Clearly she feels maternal towards Julio. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/52 "2014-05-27T19:03:50Z")
[The YouTube video of Bert’s farewell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgPTkIulEI&feature=share). He has some game for an 83 year old. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/53 "2014-05-27T19:26:52Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I loved the look on Don’s face when Peggy said that. 10 year old waiting at home? Wha? I missed Don’s look but it just occurred to me (duh) that Peggy got pregnant in Season One, 1960. Her son would be close to Julio’s age by now. [edit: That’ll teach me not to click Page Two of the thread before posting] ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/54 "2014-05-27T19:38:16Z")
> [@Pashnish\_Ewing](#): > > For all of those feeling sorry for Harry Crane, if he hadn’t spilled the beans to Don in LA the whole thing could have played out differently. > > Harry wasn’t ready for prime time. Yeah, Harry’s never been ready for prime time. He may be good at running the TV department, but the guy is a gaffe factory and he’s abrasive and petulant. He was only up for partner because he was part of Cutler’s vision of a high-tech, data-driven ad agency, and because Cutler saw him as an ally who would side with him on partner votes. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/55 "2014-05-27T19:54:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Yeah, Harry’s never been ready for prime time. He may be good at running the TV department, but the guy is a gaffe factory and he’s abrasive and petulant. He was only up for partner because he was part of Cutler’s vision of a high-tech, data-driven ad agency, and because Cutler saw him as an ally who would side with him on partner votes. This season gets the late 1960s attitudes to computers quite well. Computers were in glass houses and dehumanizing. Grace Slick sang about computer killers being part of the revolutionary army. Not long before Ted Nelson and pretty long before PCs. It is a bit of a war between the computers and creative, with Cutler being on the computer side. And the computer got its first victim already. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/56 "2014-05-27T20:02:33Z")
I vaguely remember a sociology class in which the professor discussed the changing attitudes towards computers. In 1969, companies were proud of having a computer so it was behind glass so it could be shown off. But later, there were bombings and protests against computers so they were put in secure rooms. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/57 "2014-05-27T21:22:49Z")
[Sepinwall has posted a good interview with Matt Weiner on the finale.](http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/mad-men-creator-matthew-weiner-on-singing-dancing-and-writing-the-series-finale) ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/58 "2014-05-28T11:50:20Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > Megan didn’t get murdered by savage hippies, FWIW, Sharon Tate wasn’t murdered until about nine weeks after the moon landing, not that I’m rooting for that particular outcome or anything… The moon landing did kind of coincide with Chappaquiddick. **Mad Men** is under no obligation to jam in every news item of the era, but it might have been an interesting mention. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/59 "2014-05-28T12:16:04Z")
> [@Horatio\_Hellpop](#): > > The moon landing did kind of coincide with Chappaquiddick. **Mad Men** is under no obligation to jam in every news item of the era, but it might have been an interesting mention. Mary Jo Kopechne and Bert could have done a water dance. I loved that Bert’s maid was sitting down with her feet up watching TV with him, like an old married couple. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257/60 "2014-05-28T13:32:28Z")
Harry didn’t get screwed, he did it to himself. His marriage was going downhill and he wanted to stall signing until after the divorce terms were settled, so his future ex wouldn’t get anything from him becoming a partner. Don advised him to just sign the deal. Harry didn’t and he deserved what happened. Loved the Robert Morse dance. A perfect moment for him. I got it right away that this was _How to Suceed …_ . In other shows this might be labeled Emmy bait, but given how poorly the Emmies have taken to _MM_ lately, this can be considered just a nice send off. And in socks, too! Re: Bert’s Rothko. Bert bought a Rothko for his office way back when. People snuck into his office to look at it and wonder. They really overdid the grownup makeup and hair for Sally this time. Kiernan is only 14. Creepy. The cityscape background for Megan seems wrong. She is supposed to live in a canyon. Why they decided to show Megan in a bikini again is weird. Liked how she was okay with Don coming out and seeing a movie with her. Not so much moving out. I think on the TV at one point there was an Episode of _ST:TOS_ showing. The one with a (??) psychic? (I keep coming up with Jane Wyatt, but that’s not it. She played Spock’s mom.) Mrs. FtG points out that Betty is completely irrelevant to the story. She isn’t representing any sort of 50s housewife becoming liberated or anything. She’s just there. Her storyline is over. Note that a key reason Roger went to McCann is to save Don. McCann wants Don and Ted. Cutler has to go along with that. He also wants to save Ted. Each gets what they want and it’s win for both. The percentages don’t add up. (And since when does a 5% partner get an equal vote to 10%+ partners?) Pete couldn’t have had a 20% share before the merger. He was a junior partner. Lane dying frees up some shares, etc., but still that’s too big a share after all the dust settles. Ted is in the thralls of Don. He went along with the merger idea. And now he gets hope from Don. Weird. And he’s going to be back in NYC. But Don and Peggy are getting close. Soap opera ensues. Speaking of intrigue. I think the Meredith and Don kiss is going to be a set up for something. E.g., Meredith gets mad when Don chooses to date someone else and she seeks revenge. Maybe Don has Dawn transfer and fire her, sexual harassment lawsuit arises (never mind who started what). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-07-waterloo-open-spoilers/689257.md?page=4)