# Mad-Men: 7.10 "The Forecast" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 20, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080 "2015-04-20T00:31:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/41 "2015-04-20T20:11:53Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Other then Roger, has it been established that she likes older men? Well, you had Glenn/Betty and Sarah/Don. I guess Joan is the youth in this pairing. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/42 "2015-04-20T21:12:11Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Hence the reason for Richard’s existence in this episode, I presume. _Look, retired guy who is adamant about having no plans!_ > > Well, until he meets Joan and, days later, decides he needs to move across the country to hang out with her, her kid and her mom. :rolleyes: My hope is that Richard ends up being a hallucination. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/43 "2015-04-20T21:12:55Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Bruce Greenwood is in good shape for man who is almost 60, but I wonder why they went with somebody who is 20 years older than Christina Hendricks. Chris Pine wasn’t available. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/44 "2015-04-20T22:34:26Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > My hope is that Richard ends up being a hallucination. Me, too. The second time he said to me at dinner “Are you lying to me?” I’d have been outta there. Ugh, what a self-important bastard. ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/45 "2015-04-20T22:42:47Z")
I guess I’m the only one who thought Richard was a decent guy, and had great chemistry with Joan. The problem was how rushed it was. I could also care less whether or not Joan and Peggy end up in serious relationships by the series finale. I want to see at least semi-happy endings for both of them, but that doesn’t necessarily need to include a man. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/46 "2015-04-20T23:30:39Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > I guess I’m the only one who thought Richard was a decent guy, and had great chemistry with Joan. The problem was how rushed it was. I could also care less whether or not Joan and Peggy end up in serious relationships by the series finale. I want to see at least semi-happy endings for both of them, but that doesn’t necessarily need to include a man. I liked Richard too. And a happy ending for Peggy is still possible. They can kill Don’t off in the finale and make her creative director. The flaw in this plan, of course, is that it does not involve showing Elizabeth Moss naked. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/47 "2015-04-20T23:35:58Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > She then followed it with “And so am I [a little late]” and then smiled with Betty- so I think the whole comment was probably a joke. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > No, it clearly was a joke. You neglect the next line–“And so am I”–which implied that Sally was pregnant. If Betty or the viewer were meant to take the bit seriously, the entire tenor of the scene would have changed. Sally spent that scene trying to irritate her mother; Betty was just too wise to take the bait. I think of you have been whooshed. Of course the scene as played was a bit of banter, along with the “colonies” joke. It doesn’t tell us anything – but it would be exactly like Sally to make this admission under cover of a joke that couldn’t be used against her. > [@Lightray](#): > > Gah, [lede](http://grammarist.com/usage/lead-lede/), please. > > And the entire point of Joan’s storyline was setting up her happy future. Since the episode spent a good amount of focus on that, ultimately without undermining it, it does not look like we’re supposed to think that the only futures that matter are the kids. > > … Particularly with the ominous implication that Glenn doesn’t _have_ a future. Lede is probably more obsolete than newspapers themselves. Burying the lead is the norm and has been for a long time. Joan does not have a happy future. She has the shadow of a hint of a possibility of a happy future. Just like the rest of them. Including Glenn, since deaths peaked in [1968 and 1969](http://www.americanwarlibrary.com/vietnam/vwc24.htm). There’s a difference between the next chapter and an unwritten future. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/48 "2015-04-21T00:06:37Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > Are we going to find out in the final episode that Glenn died in action? Will anyone care? For a moment I thought that scene was going to end with Betty saying “Fine, go upstairs” in her flat, slightly annoyed, tone of voice. 😉 Cue Sally getting the news that Glenn’s been KIA at the same time Betty finds out she’s pregnant with twins. > [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I think the shock about F-bombs wasn’t the word itself, but that it was used in front of a client. Don’s own story was simply about interrupting a client and how bad that was perceived!.. And if what Roger says is true Don couldn’t said or did anything during the meeting and been kept on the client. 😃 Yeah, Roger’s probably exaggerating, but not by much. I wonder if Peggy is seeing dating Potty Mouth’s brother-in-law. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I didn’t see it that way. Ordinarily I’m all over saying cruel things about Don, but he was pretty clearly just tolerating the kid’s inappropriate behavior so as not to embarrass her. And I daresay Sally would have lit into him if he’d shut the girl down more sternly. > [@SaharaTea](#): > > I guess I’m the only one who thought Richard was a decent guy, and had great chemistry with Joan. The problem was how rushed it was. I could also care less whether or not Joan and Peggy end up in serious relationships by the series finale. I want to see at least semi-happy endings for both of them, but that doesn’t necessarily need to include a man. I think that’s what they were going for, but it still seems extremely rushed & too convenient. Though it is plausible that his trip & move to NYC was pre-planned before he met Joan. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/49 "2015-04-21T00:12:27Z")
I would be the first one to bash Don, but at no time did I see him playing along with the flirting. In fact he seemed to try to defuse it after Sally’s friend told him what her plans were, he turned his full attention to Sally to ask her what _her_ plans were. I thought that Peggy _finally_ looked pretty in this episode. ---
**Author:** ![strangecurrencies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@strangecurrencies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/strangecurrencies)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/50 "2015-04-21T00:27:52Z")
I have an ominous feeling that a Greyhound bus crash is on the horizon… ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/51 "2015-04-21T01:17:00Z")
If it helps, the director says that Joan was being sarcastic: > [@](#): > > Yet she throws back at the babysitter — and essentially her son — that line, “You’re ruining my life.” > > I don’t think it’s anything more than an emotional outburst that comes out in the moment. I love when she talks to Richard, she’s like” OK, then I’ll give up my son.” Either you’re on board or you’re not. She was being totally sarcastic. > **[‘Mad Men’ Director on Don’s Future, Joan’s Romance and Glen’s Return (SPOILERS)](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/s/mad-men-director-don-future-joan-romance-glen-213150953.html)** > > Spoiler alert: Do not read unless you’ve watched “The Forecast” episode of “Mad Men.”  Sunday night’s episode of “Mad Men,” titled “The Forecast,” saw the characters contemplating the future, for better and for worse. The episode’s director,... I thought it was a great episode. For once, I didn’t hate Joan or Betty. I thought that Betty came across as very likeable. For whatever reason, Glen always resonated with her. And I thought it was a hoot when he walked through the door. I’m glad Don fired that insubordinate underling. (Don’t know his name.) If he lacked the imagination to apologize creatively, then he’s in the wrong line of work. Poor Don, first Megan, then his daughter, then his real estate agent, then his underling all call him an old, washed up, sad old man. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/52 "2015-04-21T01:32:50Z")
> [@strangecurrencies](#): > > I have an ominous feeling that a Greyhound bus crash is on the horizon… If it was followed by a scene with Betty complaining to Don about how ungrateful Sally was for dying in agony, and didn’t she understand how that would affect her mother what will the neighbors think, at least it would resemble the _Mad Men_ I liked. This season, though, if there’s any bus crash it’ll be followed by some handsome young guy Sally’s age pulling her from the flaming wreckage as we find out he’s Ivy League bound, born of old money, yet nonetheless supports counterculture and is conveniently single. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/53 "2015-04-21T01:37:48Z")
The problem with Richard is 100% the rushed timing. If Richard had just up and gone home then, okay, he at least gets credit for saying something before sleeping with Joan in New York. Too bad but if being unattached is his goal then he’s a better person for saying something right away (after Joan committed a lie of omission in LA). Likewise, if Richard was a plot over at least two episodes then it would seem more reasonable. Instead, we get a guy who said that he divorced his wife of 22 years so he could be free, then makes a big (legitimate) deal out of Joan’s kid, then reverses course and does a 180 on everything he said before a full day has passed and changes his whole life after spending time with Joan twice. That just makes him look flaky and a little unhinged. I realize this is almost certainly more a problem with the writing than it is about the “real life” character of Richard is but it just played sloppy. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/54 "2015-04-21T02:48:47Z")
Richard reminded me of Mr. Furley ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/55 "2015-04-21T02:53:42Z")
I thought he looked like Frank Sinatra! ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/56 "2015-04-21T03:11:34Z")
[Furley for the win!](http://roguebarristers.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/mrfurley6bmp_1.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Downtown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Mr\_Downtown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Downtown)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/57 "2015-04-21T04:01:43Z")
Betty throwing away Bobby’s toy gun seemed so contrived. Directly descended from throwing the Vichy water in the Casablanca airport trash can. And I remember The Brady Bunch being on in early evening, not when it’s time for bed during the summer. Finally, did we actually see in an early season the referenced meeting with Don interrupting [Lucky Strike’s] Lee Garner, Jr., or the scene later when he mouths off to them? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/58 "2015-04-21T04:19:39Z")
> [@Mr\_Downtown](#): > > Finally, did we actually see in an early season the referenced meeting with Don interrupting [Lucky Strike’s] Lee Garner, Jr., or the scene later when he mouths off to them? I don’t think so. It sounds as though that event happened before the timeline of the show since Lucky Strikes was already an established client when the show begins and they’re worried about the new government regulations. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/59 "2015-04-21T06:11:44Z")
I thought this episode was great. I loved seeing the return of Glenn, especially with him looking so different. I was rooting for him. Also loved the clash of Don vs. the realtor; neither of them thinks the other knows jack shit about selling things! And I like that they are still bringing in new characters. The essence of _Mad Men_ is the never-ending cornucopia of humanity and personalities. You don’t have to get attached to these new people. They are the bed of rice under the meat of the entree. Foils for the main characters to engage with. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080/60 "2015-04-21T13:28:45Z")
The entire exchange with Betty, Glen and Sally was boring and poorly acted. The three of them sounded like they were reading off of cue cards. The actor who plays Glen should look into becoming a plumber. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-10-the-forecast-open-spoilers/718080.md?page=4)