# Mad-Men: 7.12 "Lost Horizon" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 4, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190 "2015-05-04T00:21:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/61 "2015-05-05T01:30:29Z")
It’s an uphill climb to file that suit today. In 1970 it was almost impossible. Also it would have cost her what money she had. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/62 "2015-05-05T01:32:01Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The next episode is second-to-last (“penultimate”), isn’t it? > [@salinqmind](#): > > Next episode is the last, but a week later is a 2-hour finale, I think. That’s enough time to wrap up storylines for everyone except Don. Don will figure in the 2-hour finale and possibly there will be an epilogue set in the future when he’s really old. > > I love when a movie or TV series ends with little bits showing what happened to the characters. I wish they would do that all the time. OK, I must’ve misheard “last episode” instead of “last episode before the finale”. Anyway, I think it would be great to see al the living characters as they would be today. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/63 "2015-05-05T01:48:25Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > It’s an uphill climb to file that suit today. In 1970 it was almost impossible. Also it would have cost her what money she had. From what I can find online, “hostile work environment” wasn’t even remotely a thing back in 1970. (As a legal concept, I mean.) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/64 "2015-05-05T01:48:54Z")
So…what will everyone be drinking during the two-hour finale? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/65 "2015-05-05T01:52:48Z")
An old-fashioned. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/66 "2015-05-05T01:56:38Z")
A Falling Star. [http://www.whattodrink.com/drinkrecipes/6054-falling-star.asp](http://www.whattodrink.com/drinkrecipes/6054-falling-star.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/67 "2015-05-05T01:58:13Z")
Diet beer. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/68 "2015-05-05T02:01:01Z")
I won’t bother quoting all the comments regarding Joan and the feasibilty of her threat to old whatshisname or how it would play out today. My original feeling of disappointment is based solely on what I want for the character. We’re dealing with 1970 HR policies, not to mention the norms of the era. Let’s not analyze what she could or could not accomplish legally; it’s not about that. I just meant that _emotionally_ I wanted her to kick some ass. That being said, I have no doubt that today very few men would even consider saying the things that the McCann dudes did, either in last nights ep or the one with Joan and Peggy’s meeting with them. I’m no delicate snowflake but that shit was overtly insulting in a sexual nature. Jeez, today, at least where I work, a man wouldn’t even consider giving a lady an innocent compliment on a new hairdo. The pendulum has definitely swung to the opposite pole. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/69 "2015-05-05T02:02:56Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > From what I can find online, “hostile work environment” wasn’t even remotely a thing back in 1970. (As a legal concept, I mean.) Totally true but she could have made things uncomfortable if she got a feminist action going against them. That’s why he went from fuck off to $250k. Any more than that and he was willing to get very dirty and spend more than the $500k on lawyers just for spite. Given that she would have had to eat shit for four years, it was the best deal she could have gotten. She knew it for sure when even Roger couldn’t save her. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/70 "2015-05-05T02:22:04Z")
OK, it’s been known to happen: I may be wrong-o about a 2 hour finale. I sweartogod I read several sites saying it would be 2 hours, but I do believe it will be 1 hour and 10 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/71 "2015-05-05T03:14:36Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I’m incredibly skeptical that Diane is so alluring that she has a stream of love-struck men headed to Racine to find her. I know the type… half-smashed bugs, leaking a trail of pheromones. She’s real. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/72 "2015-05-05T07:58:05Z")
I burst out laughing with the reveal that the organ music was diegetic. That was such an effectively creepy scene that the reveal was just a wonderful catharsis. Also wonderful was Don subtly testing whether the windows of his office were suitable for jumping out of. Joan wasn’t threatening to personally sue McCann, she was threatening to pull other women in and make it a class action. It doesn’t matter what her personal experiences over the last 2 days were if she can gather up enough other examples. None of the other women in the firm have the status or the financial resources to mount an effective class action but she could have which was the implied threat. Normally, this wouldn’t have been a huge problem at McCann since they could just bury the problem in lawyers and intimidate Joan into giving up but the recent events at Newsweek and Ladies Home Journal meant that even if Joan didn’t prevail in court, she still could have significantly damaged McCann in the court of public opinion. Hobart offered Joan 50 cents on the dollar not out of any financial calculation but because he’s proud and didn’t want to completely concede. You can see from both their faces when they reach the standoff that both realize they overplayed their hand but neither could find a way out of it with their pride intact. Roger steps in and offers the face saving gesture that keeps both sides from mutual assured destruction. ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/73 "2015-05-05T09:43:31Z")
I was so hoping for a confrontation between Roger and the McCann head when McCann made his quip about Joan (something about the “red head”). I wanted Roger to finally take charge, especially given his feelings for Joan. Also, didn’t Don kinda have a drinking problem in an earlier season? And now that’s just gone? Though McCann did mention that perhaps Don was “on a bender”. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/74 "2015-05-05T11:14:19Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Also wonderful was Don subtly testing whether the windows of his office were suitable for jumping out of. There was a noise in his office that ended up being the wind was whistling through the window. He was pushing it closed to test if that is where the noise was coming from. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/75 "2015-05-05T11:46:05Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > There was a noise in his office that ended up being the wind was whistling through the window. He was pushing it closed to test if that is where the noise was coming from. Exactly. It was definitely a tease about the opening sequence though. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/76 "2015-05-05T11:46:32Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > There was a noise in his office that ended up being the wind was whistling through the window. He was pushing it closed to test if that is where the noise was coming from. If you use closed captioning, which I do whenever it is available, you would have seen that the caption said “wind whistling…whistling stops” when Don pushed on the window. Captioning is often helpful with stuff that even good hearing may not pick up. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/77 "2015-05-05T11:49:34Z")
What did McCann Erickson get out of this merger? SCP had no proprietary information or intellectual property they wanted or needed. They don’t give two shits about SCP’s clients. They despise and have no respect for SCP’s personnel, all except for Don. So this whole thing was nothing but Jim Hobart’s decade-long desire to put Don Draper in a dog collar? And he wants Draper so much that he doesn’t know about his not-a-secret habit of disappearing occasionally? ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/78 "2015-05-05T12:09:46Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > Next episode is the last, but a week later is a 2-hour finale, I think. That’s enough time to wrap up storylines for everyone except Don. Don will figure in the 2-hour finale and possibly there will be an epilogue set in the future when he’s really old. > > I love when a movie or TV series ends with little bits showing what happened to the characters. I wish they would do that all the time. Put plainly (for my pea brain) there are two episodes left, that will both run from 1000 to 1115 EST, so they are a tad longer than usual, but nothing near a 2 hour finale. I’d love to be proven wrong though. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/79 "2015-05-05T12:24:28Z")
Yes, I was misinformed, NOT going to be a 2 hour finale. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190/80 "2015-05-05T12:24:20Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Hobart offered Joan 50 cents on the dollar not out of any financial calculation but because he’s proud and didn’t want to completely concede. You can see from both their faces when they reach the standoff that both realize they overplayed their hand but neither could find a way out of it with their pride intact. Roger steps in and offers the face saving gesture that keeps both sides from mutual assured destruction. And that was classic to me, because Roger steps in and offers a face savings gesture that . . . no one wants and that was on the table before he even showed up in the office. He’s stepped in and done effectively nothing. Perhaps I read into Joan’s character. But I thought I saw a moments flash of disappointment in her eyes, that after all they have be though (with her picking up her rolodex and _their_ sons picture) that Roger couldn’t have put himself on the line with Jim Hobart and gotten her more (most? all?) of her money. Once again, a man in her life has delivered nothing but disappointment. And is the next episode the one where Hobart sends Roger packing? Roger is here only to keep the cats herded, but Don’s gone, the red head’s a royal pain in the ass, Peggy was already hired, so what are you doing for me?? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-12-lost-horizon-open-spoilers/719190.md?page=5)