# Mad-Men: 7.13 "The Milk & Honey Route" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** soda-softdrinks\ **Created:** [May 10, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731 "2015-05-10T23:34:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![phreesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@phreesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phreesh)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/201 "2015-05-15T18:18:27Z")
I think there is ZERO chance Don returns to ‘Teach the World to Sing’. Weiner has not invested that much effort into advertising pitches in the most recent seasons. The show is more about larger themes than specific products. I doubt that advertising really play that much of a role in the last episode at all. Instead, I expect to focus on relationships and maturity. Betty, Henry and the kids will focus on her illness and passing. Peggy becomes an assertive modern woman. This is the one place where I can see a scene specific to advertising where she nails some iconic product (Hey, maybe Coke!) Joan walks away with her cash and her man. Roger… I don’t know. He won’t be happy, but he’ll be funny. I also think we’ll see one or two characters that we haven’t seen in years. At any rate, I’m looking forward to seeing what happens! ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/202 "2015-05-15T19:07:22Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Here’s another one: > > [How will ‘Mad Men’ end? The internet’s 3 best theories](http://entertainthis.usatoday.com/2015/05/13/best-mad-men-series-finale-theories/) … as guessed by people who’ve never watched an episode of _Mad Men_? Damn, those are dumb theories. There’s no chance of ANY of those things happening. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/203 "2015-05-15T20:09:29Z")
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**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/204 "2015-05-15T20:12:07Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > It’s not only that the credits-guy ends up on a couch—it’s that the credits guy never goes near a window. > > He’s standing in the middle of an office, then the office starts falling around him. > > _He never jumps_. (Yet so many remember and describe the credits as ‘guy goes out window’…it’s like a Rorschach test.) Aha! Now I know why the kid in the last episode took a fan with him when he left. The same type of fan is in the office when it falls apart. Props department being meta. (Or not.) ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/205 "2015-05-15T21:09:34Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Here’s another one: > > [How will ‘Mad Men’ end? The internet’s 3 best theories](http://entertainthis.usatoday.com/2015/05/13/best-mad-men-series-finale-theories/) What are the only three Mad Men endings guaranteed not to happen, Alex? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/206 "2015-05-17T20:46:25Z")
Since today’s MM discussion post hasn’t appeared yet, I’ll put this in this thread. Excellent article in TIME to read on Mad Men’s last day. The first section is a thorough and IMHO brilliant season-by-season overview, recap, and analysis of the series as a whole. (It’s _really_ long.) In the first section, the writer quotes a Weiner interview from 2014 about the series’ ending. Make of it what you will. > [@](#): > > The last time I talked to Weiner, in December 2014, he was dealing with the passage of time physically: cleaning out his memorabilia-laden production office. (“There are a lot of liquor bottles! I don’t know what I’m going to do with it.”) Mad Men’s finale was already locked down by then. He, naturally, was not saying much about it—except that he hopes it feels like an ending. > > “There’s not going to be a lot of flashing back to earlier in the show, which I know was really delightful for people in Breaking Bad,” he says. “But we tried to leave everybody in a place where you’d say, ‘Okay, that’s where they are. I think I know what their future’s going to be like.’ I’m an entertainer, and I wanted a sense of closure. But it’s hard, because my personal take on that is different from other people’s. I apologize for that in advance.” If you can’t make yourself read the whole article, at least read Section 7 (the last one). ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/207 "2015-05-17T20:56:35Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Aha! Now I know why the kid in the last episode took a fan with him when he left. The same type of fan is in the office when it falls apart. Props department being meta. (Or not.) Good catch (on the kid taking the fan). I believe that fan in the opening credits is the only thing that _doesn’t_ tumble down, by the way. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > What are the only three Mad Men endings guaranteed not to happen, Alex? > 😛 Heh. Yeah. The D.B. Cooper thing would be too gimmicky (and impossible to explain as an action Don would take). The Coke thing: also gimmicky. I don’t think Weiner has been making a seven-year promo for a sugary drink. Possibly he might have Peggy or Don come up with the slogan/song/image, but if so, it would be a moment in passing. It won’t be the Big Reveal at the heart of the final scene of the final episode. As for the third ending discussed on the _USA Today_ page: it’s certainly true that Wichita has been mentioned prominently in recent episodes. But why would the Wichita State plane crash be considered to be any sort of resonant or iconic moment? (I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but I’d never heard of it before the _Mad Men_-connected mentions, and I’m probably not the only one for whom that’s true.) Weiner might kill off Pete in that crash, I suppose. But I can’t see how that ending would make any sort of sense for Don’s story. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/208 "2015-05-17T21:02:14Z")
We all know how it ends. Here’s a hint: In the opening scene, our merry band of MadMen and MadWomen are seen boarding an Oceanic Flight from LA to Sydney. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/209 "2015-05-17T21:35:08Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > … as guessed by people who’ve never watched an episode of _Mad Men_? Damn, those are dumb theories. There’s no chance of ANY of those things happening. I’m tempted to agree, but after last season’s The Americans, when one board member kept stubbornly predicting that the KGB agent couple murdered at the beginning of the season would turn out to be murderer by their 15 year old son who would prove to be a complete sociopath, while myself and IIRC, everyone else kept poo-pooing this as a ridiculous theory, I’ll reserve judgement. I will say though that that reveal made me give up on The Americans and if any of those theories turns out to be correct I will puke. Personally, I hope the end is him abandoning everything, choosing to start a new life and either buying a ticket on an airplane, checking into a hotel, or applying to a job, and his last lines being “Hi, I’m Dick Whitman”. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/210 "2015-05-17T21:49:13Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I’m tempted to agree, but after last season’s The Americans, when one board member kept stubbornly predicting that the KGB agent couple murdered at the beginning of the season would turn out to be murderer by their 15 year old son who would prove to be a complete sociopath, while myself and IIRC, everyone else kept poo-pooing this as a ridiculous theory, I’ll reserve judgement. _waves_ ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/211 "2015-05-17T23:28:13Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > _waves_ You certainly were correct and if you start insisting that Mad Men ends with any of those three theories, you’re getting punched. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/212 "2015-05-17T23:34:04Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > You certainly were correct and **if you start insisting that Mad Men ends with any of those three theories** , you’re getting punched. 🙂 I would join you in punching me. If that’s possible. (Not long now until all the theorizing will end…and _then_ what will we do for fun???) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/213 "2015-05-18T00:30:30Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I would join you in punching me. If that’s possible. > > (Not long now until all the theorizing will end…and _then_ what will we do for fun???) There is no more fun… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2015, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/214 "2015-05-18T04:43:09Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I would join you in punching me. If that’s possible. > > (Not long now until all the theorizing will end…and _then_ what will we do for fun???) Looks like you’re getting punched. Sorry dude. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/215 "2015-05-18T17:41:39Z")
> [@phreesh](#): > > I think there is ZERO chance Don returns to ‘Teach the World to Sing’. You were saying…😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/216 "2015-05-18T19:52:29Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Looks like you’re getting punched. > Sorry dude. No, it’s worse than that—I was one of those who pooh-poohed the likelihood of any of the three punchable-offense endings actually being The Ending. I wasn’t one of the defenders of any of those dreadful options. Now if you want to talk about punching _Weiner_, I’d listen. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/217 "2015-05-20T12:26:56Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Presumably someone at McCann would have phoned the home of Don’s first ex-wife. Even if Don hadn’t yet filled out a “contact” form at McCann, Roger (or Meredith) would have Betty’s home number and would suggest checking there. His first wife is dead. I think they were divorced when that happened. According to the marriage vows. His second ex wife is currently dying in the last episode. His third ex-wife, Megan, well, I’d go to the docs… ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/218 "2015-05-20T13:44:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > No, it’s worse than that—I was one of those who pooh-poohed the likelihood of any of the three punchable-offense endings actually being The Ending. I wasn’t one of the defenders of any of those dreadful options. > > Now if you want to talk about punching _Weiner_, I’d listen. :eek: I got your back, either way. > [@Smid](#): > > His first wife is dead. I think they were divorced when that happened. According to the marriage vows. > > His second ex wife is currently dying in the last episode. > > His third ex-wife, Megan, well, I’d go to the docs… Anna was the real Don Draper’s wife. Betty was the first woman the Artist Formerly Known as Dick married. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731/219 "2015-05-20T14:32:38Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Anna was the real Don Draper’s wife. Betty was the first woman the Artist Formerly Known as Dick married. Well, he had to divorce her, so that makes her an ex-wife to me. Doesn’t matter if he was the one doing the marrying. If anything she’s his ex-wife, but maybe never been his wife… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-13-the-milk-honey-route-open-spoilers/719731.md?page=10)