# Mad-Men: 7.14 "Person to Person", SERIES FINALE (open spoilers)

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**Created:** [May 17, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-14-person-to-person-series-finale-open-spoilers/720273 "2015-05-17T23:28:10Z")\
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Assuming that the Coke campaign could have been cobbled together between November 1970 and February 1971, I find it more likely that happy-to-have-found-each-other Peggy and Stan were largely behind it, inasmuch as they’re still at McCann and Don isn’t.

Don may have contributed an idea or two in the brief time he was with them (I don’t remember in which episode Coke was first mentioned), but I can’t see him returning to NYC to take command of it. The commercials coincided (roughly) with his epiphany, but that’s all. They reflected the general mood of the country at the time.

I don’t even think he’d go back to be with the boys anytime soon, since Betty made it clear she didn’t want him interfering with the custody arrangements and Sally has pretty much taken over the household already.

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I’m happy for those who were satisfied by the finale. But for me, it was just sad.

I think this episode is an excellent example of writing that could, most kindly, be described as ‘seat of the pants’:

\*\*\* _“Okay, Peggy, Pete, Joan, and Roger: three of you will find True Love and happiness!—sorry if the partners you’ll get are fairly arbitrary and/or unlikely and/or picked out of a hat. But one of you will be alone, juggling childcare and business-startup-demands, without any compensations of True Love. Everybody gather round to draw straws!”_ (Side note: when have we ever seen Roger desiring to have a relationship with a woman of 50?)

\*\*\* Don is driven to near-suicidal (saying goodbye to Peggy, etc.) paralysis, helpless on the ground, by the news that his heavy-smoker ex-wife has terminal cancer, and by her remark that since he hasn’t been around to see his sons in several weeks, that means he’s not going to be raising them. Oh, and also: the niece of the real Don’s wife, a girl he barely knows, left without saying goodbye. That would break _anyone_!

So of course our Don is sitting on the ground, bereft of the power of movement through the depth of his depression. Because that’s something we’ve seen a lot from Don, over the years: he’s a guy who is prone to sliding to the ground with a complete loss of all functions, all will to live. Happens all the time. Luckily, all it takes to cure him is a long hug with a stranger who says he feels unseen and unloved. Wow!

\*\*\* Clearly Weiner had to get Don to a place that has a lot of hippy-types and also a hill. Gotta have the hill. A woman who is unhappy in her personal life would be the ideal person to get Don there. How about a woman who feels guilt because she left her own child? Perfect! So, Weiner creates Diana—a woman tormented by guilt for leaving her daughter (who duly hates and resents her for it).

Apparently there were some sort of production scheduling problems, because we ended up with Stephanie (the niece of the real Don’s wife) shoehorned into the role that was pretty clearly intended for Diana.

Don’s only real connection with Stephanie was that he was fond of the real Don’s wife and had had some brief interactions with the niece over the years, and then offered help to her while she was pregnant in 1969. The father of Stephanie’s baby was in jail, wasn’t he? So the plot element of having The Woman, Deeply Important to Don, agonizing over the child she abandoned…was awkward when foisted onto Stephanie. Don didn’t have any deep emotional involvement with Stephanie.

And the “abandoned her child” storyline didn’t make a lot of sense for Stephanie. She’d been a Berkeley student in 1964 so had to have been at least, what, 24 or so in 1970? She’d had this baby and then for some reason had given it to, who, the parents of the in-jail father? I don’t recall the dialog here. Why did she do that, again? Since the finale takes place in October 1970, the baby couldn’t have been very old when given up. It’s a sad thing when a mother gives up a baby–but it’s not particularly uncommon.

A woman leaving a child who’s old enough to know what’s happening is something _much less_ common. And that’s the situation that the Stephanie character seemed to be talking about in the group sessions. This was pretty clearly originally a Diana plotline.

\*\*\* I’m surprised that so many seem to be pleased with the development of Don making very little effort to get to the home of his children after learning that their mother is dying. Nice he could sit up on that hill and find his bliss. He could have hired a car to come get him, but, why bother?

Yes, it’s nice that Sally is a loving sister—but she’s only sixteen. If she’s to be the primary caregiver during her mother’s last months and after her death, then of course she (Sally) won’t be graduating from her prestigious boarding school and is unlikely to be able to attend college. Why is this okay?

Keeping the fate of Bobby and Gene so vague and unsettled seems less like “deliberate ambiguity” and more like “couldn’t be bothered to work it out.”

In sum: I don’t buy the idea that Don cured his own ills by giving that guy a hug. It just doesn’t make any sense. I don’t buy that Peggy and Stan are made for each other, or that Roger would happily be seen with a 50-year-old (even if she is Julia Ormond), or that Pete and Trudy decided, after all this, that they are deeply in love, or that Pete would willingly leave the part of the world in which he gets automatic respect from nearly everyone he meets as a Knickerbocker, or that Joan would plunge into industrial-film production on her own with so little experience in that field. All seem contrived and deeply improbable.

And the Coke ad, postulated as the culmination of seven seasons of storytelling—as the crowning emotional moment, meant to round off and satisfy: how sad, how very sad a miscalculation that was.

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> [@Green\_Bean](#):
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> You know, I don’t usually like too much ambiguity in stories, but I’m really enjoying the way the finale is being interpreted in so many different ways.

I am really enjoying the different interpretations as well.

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> [@Sherrerd](#):
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> All seem contrived and deeply improbable.

They’re obviously leaving things open for a “Let’s find out what’s happened to them in the number of years since we saw them last!” made-for-TV movie somewhere down the line.

I think if James Gandolfini hadn’t died, we’d’ve seen one for _ **The Sopranos** _ by now.

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**Post date:** [May 18, 2015, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-7-14-person-to-person-series-finale-open-spoilers/720273/125 "2015-05-18T22:23:08Z")

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Of course Don made the coke ad. Go back and watch the last two scenes again. It’s not just the girl with the pigtails - the whole scene of multicultural, hippie love on a hilltop by the sea, is a recreation of that moment at the retreat where Don got his groove back. Peggy is a talented woman and she’s got great things ahead of her, but she’s never known or wanted that kind of experience.

And it’s not a slap in the face to Coke or McCann - both companies were down with it. Their twitter feeds today have made that clear. Why wouldn’t they be? This morning, everyone is talking about Coke and humming that tune.

The point of the refridgerator speech - we’ve spent all this time listening to Don make speeches when all he wanted was to be told that he was loved. This time, Don listened to someone else make that speech - and responded the way he hoped other people would respond to him. It was a real turning point.

Don didn’t become someone else after that moment. Instead he embraced himself after a lifetime of running: a natural born salesman.

I love Peggy & Stan. She deserves him after a lifetime of tragic dating choices. I love that Joan realized that men were holding her back. I love Trudy getting what she wants and Meredith landing on her feet. I love Roger with a woman who has his number and a son who eats pancakes with him. I love that Burt will always be Burt. I love the Halloween decorations hung on the _Dream of the Fisherman’s Wife_. I love Sally stepping up and making peace with her family; it’s awful but it’s going to be alright. I love that Pete doesn’t want to be Don anymore. I love the cactus. I love that Harry is off by himself at the elevator when all the important stuff is happening.

I love this show and I love that they gave it a proper ending.

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I hate when people claim to have predicted something without having done so publicly.

But when I heard the speculation that Don might in the end find Jesus, my reaction (after recoiling) was that it would be more plausible for him to find one of those eastern religion/spiritual/self-help blends that were all the rage back then.

As for the episode, I’m (right now) feeling a little underwhelmed. It was better than the speculated "“D. B. Cooper” ending would have been.

I liked the exchange between Don and Stephanie when he showed up all ragged on her doorstep:

Don: “Got any whiskey? I’ve been drinking nothing but beer all night”.  
Stephanie: “I’ll make coffee”.

(That’s how I remember it - corrections welcome).

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> [@Green\_Bean](#):
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> I disagree completely.
> 
> He absolutely found himself at that retreat, and what he found is that his true self is Don Draper, Ad Man.  
> This series has been a chronicle of a man falling. He was absolutely at the top of his game in the pre-counterculture early '60s. As the world changed around him, he stayed the same, and he fell out of touch and fell apart.
> 
> At the retreat, he finally caught up with the times. He finally “got” what the counterculture was all about.
> 
> And he marketed the fuck out of it.
> 
> The two are not mutually exclusive.
> 
> I think he did find his inner peace. My interpretation is that he realized that Dick and Don aren’t mutually exclusive either. He doesn’t have to choose. He can be fully Don Draper while still embracing his inner Dick Whitman. I don’t know how to articulate how the hug with refrigerator guy played into that, but it did.
> 
> I don’t think that it’s cynical to think that he’s still selling to the masses. It’s what he does. And the ad he created was both marketing genius AND truly beautiful and uplifting.  
> I’m pretty sure that everybody realizes that Don Draper is a fictional person and that the credit belongs to the real-life person who actually wrote the ad.

All of this. Exactly.

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> [@terentii](#):
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> They’re obviously leaving things open for a “Let’s find out what’s happened to them in the number of years since we saw them last!” made-for-TV movie somewhere down the line.  
> …

Somewhere today I saw an interview excerpt in which Weiner ruled out any spin-offs or TV-movie updates. When I find it again, I’ll post it.

But, yeah. “Let’s leave the door open” has been responsible for a good number of less-than-artistic choices for finales—_Dexter_ probably being the most infamous recent example.

You can’t blame those involved for wanting to get another paycheck, somewhere down the line; that’s only natural. And fans sometimes care enough about getting More to be willing to ignore the finale teleplay-contortions necessary to keeping all those Future Story doors open.

But, yikes. Some _awful_ writing has resulted from that decision.

He’s a lumberjack and he’s NOT okay.

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Another board said that Leonard the weeping manager further spurred Don’s imagination. What’s the one thing in the fridge that never gets passed over? An icy cold Coca-Cola!

🆒

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> [@Green\_Bean](#):
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> I disagree completely.
> 
> He absolutely found himself at that retreat, and what he found is that his true self is Don Draper, Ad Man.  
> This series has been a chronicle of a man falling. He was absolutely at the top of his game in the pre-counterculture early '60s. As the world changed around him, he stayed the same, and he fell out of touch and fell apart.
> 
> At the retreat, he finally caught up with the times. He finally “got” what the counterculture was all about.
> 
> And he marketed the fuck out of it.
> 
> The two are not mutually exclusive.
> 
> I think he did find his inner peace. My interpretation is that he realized that Dick and Don aren’t mutually exclusive either. He doesn’t have to choose. He can be fully Don Draper while still embracing his inner Dick Whitman. I don’t know how to articulate how the hug with refrigerator guy played into that, but it did.
> 
> I don’t think that it’s cynical to think that he’s still selling to the masses. It’s what he does. And the ad he created was both marketing genius AND truly beautiful and uplifting.  
> I’m pretty sure that everybody realizes that Don Draper is a fictional person and that the credit belongs to the real-life person who actually wrote the ad.

Another way to read the ending is that the mass marketing of the counterculture in things like Coke ad was going to happen, with or without Don Draper. That even if Don turned his back on the machine, it rolled on without him. And the real people he had worked with were indistinguishable from the archetypes in the ad. Like any good machine, the individual parts are replaceable.

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> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#):
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> …Also, Peggy has always been so independent and career-focused; for her wrap-up to amount to “what she really needed to be happy was the man who was in front of her all this time” shortchanges her character a bit, in my view.

_ **You’re** _ shortchanging Peggy’s character. That’s not “what her wrap-up amounted to.” Why can’t she have her career and be brilliant at McCann AND also be loved by a man who supports her ambition and sees her creative potential? Are these two things mutually exclusive in your mind?

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> [@Mixolydian](#):
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> BTW, I think Meredith’s “I translated your speech into Pig Latin” line put the “smarter than she appears” argument to rest.

I bet that Roger had made far less plausible requests of his secretaries, and expected them to be carried out. When they were alone a few minutes later, he all but admitted that he had been making up tasks to keep her busy in the hopes that Don would return in time to save her job.

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> [@Green\_Bean](#):
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> I’m pretty sure that everybody realizes that Don Draper is a fictional person and that the credit belongs to the real-life person who actually wrote the ad.

We live in different worlds, then.

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Jon Hamm [pretty much says](http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/artsbeat/2015/05/18/mad-men-finale-jon-hamm-interview/?_r=0&referrer=) that Draper writes the Coke ad:

> [@](#):
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> Q. Do you have an interpretation of it _[the show’s ending scene]_?
> 
> A. I do. When we find Don in that place, and this stranger relates this story of not being heard or seen or understood or appreciated, the resonance for Don was total in that moment. There was a void staring at him. We see him in an incredibly vulnerable place, surrounded by strangers, and he reaches out to the only person he can at that moment, and it’s this stranger.
> 
> My take is that, the next day, he wakes up in this beautiful place, and has this serene moment of understanding, and realizes who he is. And who he is, is an advertising man. And so, this thing comes to him.

Edit: Which would also mean that he’s back at McCann and thus near to Betty & the kids.

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I read that interview with Jon Hamm and it’s not definitive, of course. Only Matthew Weiner can tell us for sure what he meant by the ending and as far as I know, he hasn’t done so. I think he prefers the ambiguity.

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> [@Dewey\_Finn](#):
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> I read that interview with Jon Hamm and it’s not definitive, of course.

No, but I feel that Hamm has more insight into it than any of us and am willing to accept his opinion as most probable. Even though it goes against my own initial impressions.

There’s something there to support whatever impression but Hamm mentions that he talked with Weiner a lot about the ending and Hamm of course had his own thoughts going into the scenes. If he says that’s his impression, it’s good enough for me.

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> [@ivylass](#):
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> But we leave Don in the lotus position going, “Ohm?” …

Must. Resist.

mmm

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> [@Merneith](#):
>
> Of course Don made the coke ad. Go back and watch the last two scenes again. It’s not just the girl with the pigtails - the whole scene of multicultural, hippie love on a hilltop by the sea, is a recreation of that moment at the retreat where Don got his groove back. Peggy is a talented woman and she’s got great things ahead of her, but she’s never known or wanted that kind of experience.
> 
> And it’s not a slap in the face to Coke or McCann - both companies were down with it. Their twitter feeds today have made that clear. Why wouldn’t they be? This morning, everyone is talking about Coke and humming that tune.
> 
> The point of the refridgerator speech - we’ve spent all this time listening to Don make speeches when all he wanted was to be told that he was loved. This time, Don listened to someone else make that speech - and responded the way he hoped other people would respond to him. It was a real turning point.
> 
> Don didn’t become someone else after that moment. Instead he embraced himself after a lifetime of running: a natural born salesman.
> 
> I love Peggy & Stan. She deserves him after a lifetime of tragic dating choices. I love that Joan realized that men were holding her back. I love Trudy getting what she wants and Meredith landing on her feet. I love Roger with a woman who has his number and a son who eats pancakes with him. I love that Burt will always be Burt. I love the Halloween decorations hung on the _Dream of the Fisherman’s Wife_. I love Sally stepping up and making peace with her family; it’s awful but it’s going to be alright. I love that Pete doesn’t want to be Don anymore. I love the cactus. I love that Harry is off by himself at the elevator when all the important stuff is happening.
> 
> I love this show and I love that they gave it a proper ending.

+1 This. Exactly. It was perfect.

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Hey, two questions. Please don’t laugh - I am awful at following along:

1. In the previous episode, at the beginning, Don was stopped by a cop while driving. The cop was like “You didn’t think we’d ever find you did you?” and Don was like “I’m not who you think I am.” And that was that. Then he took his car to be fixed and had the motel saga. What was all that? Just a dream?

2. What was with the kids driving in the desert in Utah? He was gonna invest, but maybe not, and they were all buds, and they made him leave yadda yadda Stephanie. What?

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> [@salinqmind](#):
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> Roger giving money to his and Joan’s son secured the kid’s future and enabled Joan to use her own money, to live on and use in her business…

I’m not getting all the Richard hate; he & Joan have very different ideas about what they want in life & he’s been pretty honest & upfront with her. He’s been where Joan is and knows full well that her company will take up most of her time & Kevin will take up the rest. If there roles were reversed Joan would’ve ended things too.

> [@soonerblue](#):
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> Roger putting Joan’s son Kevin in his will might someday lead to speculation that he’s Kevin’s biological father. Everyone deserves to know of their true parentage.
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> I like that Roger ended up married to Marie Calvet. Very suited to each…

They are. They make the perfect old married couple. My WAG Marie will get 1/3 when Roger croaks; Ellery (his grandson) & Kevin each get a 1/3 in trust.

> [@Dewey\_Finn](#):
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> Perhaps but she should have left something for their dinner. And he should have arranged for a private duty nurse for her. He certainly could afford it.

A private duty nurse would interfere in there (failing) attempts to pretend everything is normal.

> [@Push\_You\_Down](#):
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> …I don’t think we’re supposed to see Stan as filling this huge aching hole in Peggy’s life. His motto is always “there’s more to life than just work” which is a lesson that Peggy never learned (partly because of Don’s “move forward” advice). I see him as a partner who will understand her more than anyone else could and that’s really what love is.

Agreed, Peggy & Stan are well suited for each-other. I could imagine them being the husband & wife team that forms their own agency.

> [@terentii](#):
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> They’re obviously leaving things open for a “Let’s find out what’s happened to them in the number of years since we saw them last!” made-for-TV movie somewhere down the line…

Not going to happen, but I’d love to see it. Here’s Tom & Lorenzo’s blog post for [Person to Person](http://tomandlorenzo.com/2015/05/mad-men-person-to-person/). 😃 I wonder if Mad Style will address naked hippie guy.

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