# Mad-Men: season 6 premiere (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 7, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103 "2013-04-07T21:33:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/61 "2013-04-08T15:57:15Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > That was Stan, who Peggy used to work with at SCDP. They were friends, though I don’t remember how close. They were close enough that they both got naked while working in the hotel room a couple seasons ago, although no hanky panky ensued. And she only did it to call his bluff. From the fashions and increased staff count it looked as if more time had passed than just April to December of the same year; that’s a pretty big jump even in clothing and hair styles for eight months. It looked like at least 18 months. Did they say the date at some point during the show? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/62 "2013-04-08T16:00:27Z")
Peggy and Stan initially had an antagonistic relationship- he’s a bit of a pig (mooning her, the mentioned naked episode, generally chauvinist, etc.), but there was an underlying respect. Last night was interesting because it’s the first time we’ve seen them as real buds (and in fact a beer or two away from phone sex). My favorite Roger line was about Don’s vomiting: “He just said what the rest of us were thinking.” ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/63 "2013-04-08T16:03:24Z")
> [@corkboard](#): > > Did they say the date at some point during the show? No, but the football references and allusions to Haight-Ashbury and the Vietnam atrocities put it in '67… well, '68 starting next episode I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/64 "2013-04-08T16:04:42Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Did Don’s proposed ad for the Royal Hawaiian remind anyone else of the title sequence for the show, with the man falling out of the office building? I was thinking of _The Rise and Fall of Reginald Perrin_. Suicide, or at least a life-altering event, came to mind. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/65 "2013-04-08T16:04:54Z")
> [@corkboard](#): > > From the fashions and increased staff count it looked as if more time had passed than just April to December of the same year; that’s a pretty big jump even in clothing and hair styles for eight months. It looked like at least 18 months. Did they say the date at some point during the show? I thought we were at the end of 1968, because Private Dinkins said something in the bar to Don about how bad things had been at home (in the USA) during that year, and the really \*\*bad \*\*year was 1968 with the King assassination in April, Bobby Kennedy in June, and the riots at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/66 "2013-04-08T16:12:37Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I thought we were at the end of 1968, because Private Dinkins said something in the bar to Don about how bad things had been at home (in the USA) during that year, and the really \*\*bad \*\*year was 1968 with the King assassination in April, Bobby Kennedy in June, and the riots at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. Peggy mentions the Packers playing in the Championship game when she’s on the phone trying to get in touch with her boss. They were in the 1st 2 Championship games but not the 3rd, so we’re at the end of '67. There’s really no debate. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/67 "2013-04-08T16:17:46Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Peggy mentions the Packers playing in the Championship game when she’s on the phone trying to get in touch with her boss. Peggy’s various phone calls were all solid gold. “Father, sorry, Pastor. I was raised Catholic. What?.. Well, because my mother is Catholic, I guess…” ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/68 "2013-04-08T16:24:57Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Peggy’s various phone calls were all solid gold. > > “Father, sorry, Pastor. I was raised Catholic. What?.. Well, because my mother is Catholic, I guess…” A great reference to various confusion over the past seasons on why a woman with the name “Olson” was Catholic. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/69 "2013-04-08T16:44:57Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Peggy’s various phone calls were all solid gold. > > “Father, sorry, Pastor. I was raised Catholic. What?.. Well, because my mother is Catholic, I guess…” Yeah, that was like a Bob Newhart routine. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/70 "2013-04-08T16:49:46Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Peggy mentions the Packers playing in the Championship game when she’s on the phone trying to get in touch with her boss. They were in the 1st 2 Championship games but not the 3rd, so we’re at the end of '67. > > There’s really no debate. I wasn’t _debating_, merely speculating based on my recollection of having been in college from 1966-1970. Not a football watcher, then or now. I humbly withdraw my speculation. ---
**Author:** ![JustFutzinAround](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e57/32.png) [@JustFutzinAround](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustFutzinAround)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/71 "2013-04-08T16:54:52Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I thought we were at the end of 1968, because Private Dinkins said something in the bar to Don about how bad things had been at home (in the USA) during that year, and the really \*\*bad \*\*year was 1968 with the King assassination in April, Bobby Kennedy in June, and the riots at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. Ah, but you forget … you can say “the really **bad** year was 1968” because _unlike the characters_, you know about 1968. For them, 1967 is the really bad year, because they don’t have 1968 for comparison. To me, that’s what those remarks, as well as the headlines in Don’s newspaper heralding the end to a violent year, are meant to underscore: how totally unprepared they are for the firestorm yet ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/72 "2013-04-08T16:58:53Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > Two questions: what do you suppose it meant when Don was standing in his office before his photo, ‘hearing’ the sound of the Hawaiian surf? > > Why did Roger flip out when his ex-wife brought her new husband to the mother’s funeral? Was there some bad feeling or was he just on edge with the strain? Well given that Don himself (in his failed ad campaign) associated his Hawaiian vacation with a man committing suicide, I took it to mean that Don has a sense of death coming - or that perhaps his own life is slowly killing him. Roger flipped out because he was pissed off at the idea of his ex-wife moving on and finding someone else besides him to share her life with. Pretty dickish considering that Roger dumped _her_ to shack up with hot-to-trot, young-as-his-own-daughter Jane…but that would be Roger for you. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/73 "2013-04-08T17:02:36Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I wasn’t _debating_, merely speculating based on my recollection of having been in college from 1966-1970. Not a football watcher, then or now. I humbly withdraw my speculation. By changing the text in the quote box, separating my debate line from the rest of my paragraph, you make it read more antagonistic than it was meant to be as it was originally written. I’m just saying it’s cut & dry. > [@Don\_Draper](#): > > Roger flipped out because he was pissed off at the idea of his ex-wife moving on and finding someone else besides him to share her life with. Pretty dickish considering that Roger dumped _her_ to shack up with hot-to-trot, young-as-his-own-daughter Jane…but that would be Roger for you. Well, to be fair to Roger… It was HIS funeral. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/74 "2013-04-08T17:09:39Z")
> [@JustFutzinAround](#): > > Ah, but you forget … you can say “the really **bad** year was 1968” because _unlike the characters_, you know about 1968. For them, 1967 is the really bad year, because they don’t have 1968 for comparison. To me, that’s what those remarks, as well as the headlines in Don’s newspaper heralding the end to a violent year, are meant to underscore: how totally unprepared they are for the firestorm yet ahead. Also they mentioned who was playing in the Cotton Bowl which was on 12/31/67. I thought for sure that it was 1968 too until I looked up the football stuff after I was done watching the episode. I turned four years old during the span of that episode. We are now in the time where I have memories but not really aware of what was going on in the news. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/75 "2013-04-08T18:22:33Z")
Like everyone else, I thought the pace was glacial and off-putting, but I remember that the show always starts too slowly and gets better so I tried not to worry about that. But didn’t this show used to subtle? Yeah, I get it. Betty’s old and she’ll never be glamorous again. Roger’s old and he’s going to die. Don’s old and he still hasn’t broken out of this life he hates. They’ll all too old for the times they’re moving into, which belong to the young. Did we have to get that hammered home with every line of every scene? Peggy is the exception - she’s moving into her element. Everybody else is beginning to look like a grotesque out of a Fellini movie, or better, Woody Allen’s parody of those looks in Stardust Memories. Two questions. At the 1:46 mark a commercial cut in early on my recording and cut off Roger’s comment. He starts, “You know, we sold actual death for 25 years with Lucky Strikes. We…” What does he say then? And it’s 1 a.m. in a snowstorm on a holiday on a Sunday. Don leaves the apartment to buy cigarettes! And he stays out for hours on an affair. How is Megan not noticing? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/76 "2013-04-08T18:27:32Z")
I hope the suck-up accountant isn’t going to be a semi-regular. That would get very old immediately. As in, already there really. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/77 "2013-04-08T18:34:12Z")
**Thelma Lou** , the hard-line rule about not changing anything in a quote box includes changing paragraph breaks. If you had wanted to emphasize his point, you could have bolded the sentence in question and noted “emphasis [or “bolding”] added,” and stayed within the rules. Thanks, **twickster** , Cafe Society moderator ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/78 "2013-04-08T18:43:42Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Two questions. At the 1:46 mark a commercial cut in early on my recording and cut off Roger’s comment. He starts, “You know, we sold actual death for 25 years with Lucky Strikes. We…” What does he say then? IIRC, “we ignored it.” > [@](#): > > And it’s 1 a.m. in a snowstorm on a holiday on a Sunday. Don leaves the apartment to buy cigarettes! And he stays out for hours on an affair. How is Megan not noticing? Not to mention that she should have smelled it on him. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/79 "2013-04-08T18:52:38Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > IIRC, “we ignored it.” > > Not to mention that she should have smelled it on him. Maybe it was a quickie. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103/80 "2013-04-08T18:56:02Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > And it’s 1 a.m. in a snowstorm on a holiday on a Sunday. Don leaves the apartment to buy cigarettes! And he stays out for hours on an affair. How is Megan not noticing? She’s not suspicious so she’s not looking for signs of an affair. Also, she was asleep when he got home and probably didn’t really notice how late he’d been out. > [@hajario](#): > > Not to mention that she should have smelled it on him. > [@Chefguy](#): > > Maybe it was a quickie. Megan: [“Let me smell yo’ dick.”](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruef7aYCEbc) Or maybe he’s good at affairs and spent a few minutes cleaning up before he got home. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-6-premiere-open-spoilers/655103.md?page=5)