# Mad Men, Season Four **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 25, 2010, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903 "2010-07-25T01:14:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/1 "2010-07-25T01:14:03Z")
Starts up tomorrow night. Set your DVRs. This is definitely a show to watch. Don and friends are doing the start-up thing. Betty is remarried, Don single. I think a few years may have passed, so are they in… 1965? Can’t wait until they hit 1967. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/2 "2010-07-25T02:19:40Z")
I fell off the spoiler wagon earlier this week. From what I’ve read; The show’s jumped ahead to November, 1964. Yes, Betty has married Henry and he’s still doting on her, but she’s also gained a mother-in-law that’s not very fond of her (at least Don “didn’t have any people”). Don’s struggling to adapt to the bachelor life and being set up on blind dates by Roger. He might also being resorting to “proffesional help”. The bottomless expense accounts are gone, old clients are leaving, the executives are going on cattle calls to try to recruit new ones, and the firm’s staging publicity stunts. Pete & Peggy are having difficulties working together (& from of the screenshots I’ve seen Peggy’s aged a bit, but that could just be her clothers & hair). There’s also some new characters being introduced and Weiner’s apparently been rather brutal in purging alot of recuring, minor, & background characters. I doubt we’ll see Sal again, but you never know. Mad-Men is a very hard show to predict, and I wouldn’t put it past Weinter to have a bunch of false spoilers leaked. ---
**Author:** ![BaneSidhe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c5a1d2/32.png) [@BaneSidhe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BaneSidhe)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/3 "2010-07-25T07:46:01Z")
I can’t wait to see Sally have a meltdown. That poor kid… ---
**Author:** ![gallows\_fodder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@gallows\_fodder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallows_fodder)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/4 "2010-07-25T14:26:58Z")
Sally is the only character on the show that I like as a human being. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/5 "2010-07-25T17:07:32Z")
Huzzah! ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/6 "2010-07-25T17:19:41Z")
Are there any trailers at all of the actual new show? All I could get was people (Wiener etc) talking about the new Season 4 show. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/7 "2010-07-25T19:17:47Z")
The actor that plays Sal was on the View (I know, I’m sorry) past week, and he said he was told that Sal “isn’t dead”. That’s all the info he has on whether or not Sal comes back. I’m interested in Sally’s story myself - from interviews with the creator, she seems to be me, and I can’t wait to see how they show her development! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/8 "2010-07-25T21:22:50Z")
I’d hoped the first show would coincide with BeatleMania since that was in February 1964 which would be about the same amount of time between the last episode and the time it would take Betty to get a divorce. Anybody else wish that Betty and her new husband would move to Puerto Rico or defect to the Soviet Union? I’ve always thought the show would get along just fine without her- just remember that Don has kids once in a while and work his having visited them (off screen) into the script. > [@singular1](#): > > The actor that plays Sal was on the View (I know, I’m sorry) past week, and he said he was told that Sal “isn’t dead”. That’s all the info he has on whether or not Sal comes back. I’m interested in Sally’s story myself - from interviews with the creator, she seems to be me, and I can’t wait to see how they show her development! He’s been promoting a memoir lately. He’s the only of the second tier characters I think they should bring back- most of them can be safely culled. I read [an interview](http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/apr/25/vincent-kartheiser-mad-men-interview) with Vincent Kartheiser recently- that is one weird guy. At the time he was living in a shell of a house without a toilet. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/9 "2010-07-25T21:29:37Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] I read [an interview](http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/apr/25/vincent-kartheiser-mad-men-interview) with Vincent Kartheiser recently- that is one weird guy. At the time he was living in a shell of a house without a toilet. [/QUOTE] [Correct link for above.](http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/apr/25/vincent-kartheiser-mad-men-interview) ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/10 "2010-07-25T23:33:41Z")
[QUOTE=AMC] At the start of Season 4, Don makes a mistake that jeopardizes the new agency. [/QUOTE] Finally season 4 starts tonight at 10. Betty & Don are over, Sterling-Cooper is dead, Sterling-Cooper-Draper-Pryce is a struggling start up, Don’s living the bachelor life, and the cast has been purged of most of it’s 2nd tier. AMC has some [photos online](http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/mad-men-season-4-episode-photos/episode-1-pete-don-roger.php), and some cool [videos](http://www.amctv.com/videos/mad-men/) re season 4. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/11 "2010-07-26T01:37:41Z")
I’m all excited. Adult beverages at the ready… Are we going to have one omnibus thread, as seems to’ve become popular lately, or will we be doing individual episode threads? I rather like the latter, as it can be very difficult to find a specific episode in the omnibus threads, or to avoid spoilers if you’re behind a week or two. Whichever, though–half the fun is always checking out the chatter and reading Sepinwall’s reviews… ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/12 "2010-07-26T01:47:09Z")
I vote for individual episode threads. Although I do just want to say omnibus for no good reason. Omnibus. ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/13 "2010-07-26T02:54:26Z")
It held my interest. I’ll enjoy seeing were Don’s character goes this season. ---
**Author:** ![LVBoPeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/858c86/32.png) [@LVBoPeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVBoPeep)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/14 "2010-07-26T03:00:42Z")
It took a while to get going but loved the ending. Betty is still a bee-atch, poor Sally. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/15 "2010-07-26T03:13:29Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > He’s been promoting a memoir lately. He’s the only of the second tier characters I think they should bring back- most of them can be safely culled. I used to like Cosgrove because he was the only character who seemed to enjoy his job without all the angst and pathos everyone else was obligated to carry around. Of course, this meant he never had any story lines of his own because no one wants to watch a guy be happy for an hour. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/16 "2010-07-26T03:15:53Z")
I liked it well enough. Wasn’t “perfect” but the season premieres always seem a touch shaky as you have to get up to speed following hints of what happened in the past year. Don could use to buy a couple more lamps for his apartment. ---
**Author:** ![gallows\_fodder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@gallows\_fodder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallows_fodder)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/17 "2010-07-26T03:42:39Z")
It was pretty good, and I seem to recall last season starting slowly, too. I loved Peggy and (could it be?) her assistant, and Peggy’s new sunny and confident disposition. ---
**Author:** ![Leiko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Leiko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leiko)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/18 "2010-07-26T04:00:57Z")
**gallows fodder** , I think that’s Peggy’s art department buddy? She asked him to do a sketch of one of her pitches, which seems more art department than outright assistant. My biggest complaint: Not enough Joan! ---
**Author:** ![BaneSidhe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c5a1d2/32.png) [@BaneSidhe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BaneSidhe)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/19 "2010-07-26T05:09:19Z")
Slow out of the gate, but I liked it. And Betty’s nastyness did not fail to make my blood boil! ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903/20 "2010-07-26T05:17:41Z")
> [@Leiko](#): > > **gallows fodder** , I think that’s Peggy’s art department buddy? She asked him to do a sketch of one of her pitches, which seems more art department than outright assistant. > > My biggest complaint: Not enough Joan! That’s what I thought; she’s paired with an artist ala Kurt & Smitty. I wonder who her “fiance” really was. Is she actually dating him or what? I like the new office, but the layout seems confusing. Was Don’s secretary the same one he had at the old agency? 😕 That would make sense that alot of the secretarial staff would be the same since Joan would be in charge of hiring them and she’d probally hire a couple of the girls she knew and got along with (hopefully not Lois). Speaking of Joan; does she have her own office now? :dubious: It looked like she did (or her desk could just be in a more private area). Betty dealing with Mother Francis should be interesing. Don came by himself so Betty doesn’t have a clue how to deal with in-laws. [QUOTE=Pete Cambell] I can use my expense account if I say they’re whores. [/QUOTE] Funniest line of the episode. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-season-four/547903.md?page=2)