# Mad Men - "Shut the door. Have a seat." - (Spoilers after airing) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 8, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852 "2009-11-08T23:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/241 "2009-11-13T21:17:26Z")
I think it simply showed the regret that he felt about what he did to Adam. As opposed to others, I never thought it was going to be more than that. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/242 "2009-11-13T21:17:49Z")
> [@Smokinjbc](#): > > If the brother doesn’t show up again, at least, then what is the signifcance of Don giving him his card? It showed that he’d learned and changed after giving his half-brother the cold shoulder. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/243 "2009-11-15T00:05:52Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > My season 4 wishes:[snip] > What else? I would LOVE to see Don get shot down by a woman he’s pursuing, just once, dammit! Yeah, he’s very attractive, but I’m getting tired of every woman he wants melting into a big puddle of pussy, regardless of their better judgement. I’m also terribly curious about how he’d react to rejection. It’s not hard for me to imagine that he, like Pete, would be unable to accept “no.” ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/244 "2009-11-15T02:02:26Z")
> [@Katriona](#): > > I’d love to see Betty have to sit tight at one of those ranches (a la The Women) and let Rosalind Russell take a crack at her. Hear, hear!! ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/245 "2009-11-15T03:17:19Z")
> [@The\_Weird\_One](#): > > I would LOVE to see Don get shot down by a woman he’s pursuing, just once, dammit! Yeah, he’s very attractive, but I’m getting tired of every woman he wants melting into a big puddle of pussy, regardless of their better judgement. I’m also terribly curious about how he’d react to rejection. It’s not hard for me to imagine that he, like Pete, would be unable to accept “no.” I kind of doubt he’d care all that much. Pretty much all of Don’s conquests that I remember, where you saw the introduction of the woman, were a mutual dance. He really doesn’t seem to put a lot of effort in his seductions. He got a pre-emptive cock blocking from the teacher during some play the kids were putting on and he shrugged it off. Unlike Pete he swims in an ocean of eager poon, if one fish swims away I really don’t think he would care. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/246 "2009-11-15T03:26:44Z")
> [@Katriona](#): > > I’d love to see Betty have to sit tight at one of those ranches (a la The Women) and let Rosalind Russell take a crack at her. Hee! Even sweet Norma Shearer would make mince-meat out of Betty. “Jungle Red!” (Though Betty might stand a chance against simpy Joan Fontaine.) I thought this episode was just all kinds of awesome, from start to finish. The plotting of the caper, the heartbreak of the kids as they learn of their parents’ divorce (that little girl’s performance was unfreakinbelievably touching), and all the many victories for each of the characters. I think Jon Hamm hit this out of the ballpark, beyond the fence, past the locker rooms… just an all-round staggering array of emotions from him, all very quiet, very controlled. I’m also with those that he was absolutely sincere with both Peggy and Pete. The difference between Don when he’s selling a product he doesn’t believe in (e.g. when he claims that he left Pete behind in California because he knew he _could_) and when he’s selling something he does (in Carousel and here) are perfectly evident to me. Yes, he’s telling Pete/Peggy what they need in order to be convinced, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t mean it. And because it can’t be said often enough: all hail queen Joan! Took over without skipping a beat. My only disappointment in this plot development is the possibility that we won’t see Kenneth, Paul, Smitty or Kurt anymore. I like them all and feel sorry they’ve been Left Behind, as it were. Tiny little correction to **Skald the Rhymer** : earlier I think you were mixing up Paul (“beardface”) and Harry. Paul Kinsey is the bearded, pretentious, Orson Welles-esque snarky guy who was left behind. Harry is the bespectacled, somewhat goofy head of television who joined Roger, Bert, Don and Lane et al. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/247 "2009-11-15T03:58:33Z")
Heads up – January Jones is guest hosting tonight on Saturday Night Live. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/248 "2009-11-15T04:25:22Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Heads up – January Jones is guest hosting tonight on Saturday Night Live. SNL damn well better throw in a Mad Men sketch or two like they did when John Ham was on. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/249 "2009-11-15T05:03:41Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Heads up – January Jones is guest hosting tonight on Saturday Night Live. I bumped the [January Jones as actress thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=537094) for this. Her acting on SNL implies playing Betty’s not a stretch for her. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/250 "2009-11-15T05:22:35Z")
I just learned that Elizabeth Moss (Peggy) is engaged to Fred Armisen of SNL (the guy who does Obama), and they met when John Hamm did SNL and they did that Mad Men sketch with Moss. Cite: [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/arts/television/07barn.html?\_r=1](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/arts/television/07barn.html?_r=1) Weirdness. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/251 "2009-11-15T06:39:14Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I just learned that Elizabeth Moss (Peggy) is engaged to Fred Armisen of SNL (the guy who does Obama), and they met when John Hamm did SNL and they did that Mad Men sketch with Moss. > > Cite: [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/arts/television/07barn.html?\_r=1](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/arts/television/07barn.html?_r=1) > > Weirdness. [That sketch](http://news.lalate.com/2008/10/26/mad-men-jon-hamm-snl-video/) for those who haven’t seen it. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/252 "2009-11-15T07:05:16Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I just learned that Elizabeth Moss (Peggy) is engaged to Fred Armisen of SNL (the guy who does Obama), and they met when John Hamm did SNL and they did that Mad Men sketch with Moss. > > Cite: [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/arts/television/07barn.html?\_r=1](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/arts/television/07barn.html?_r=1) > > Weirdness. That’s funny–when I heard the news, I assumed they were already a couple and that was the reason she did a cameo when Hamm was a guest last season. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/253 "2009-11-15T15:38:21Z")
They were married on October 25. (It was in this week’s Entertainment Weekly.) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/254 "2009-11-15T21:47:42Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > They were married on October 25. (It was in this week’s Entertainment Weekly.) Don’t worry: I sent her a case of PATIO and said in the card it’s from all of us. (Actually, I wonder what a case would sell for today? It’d probably be the most expensive gift.) Some trivia I just learned recently is that Talia Balsam, who plays Sterling’s now ex-wife Mona, is the real life current wife of John Slattery/Sterling. It must be interesting having ex-spouse style arguments with your real life spouse and getting paid for it. (Their son has also been on the show several times but just as an extra- one of the Draper boy’s friends at school.) In real life Talia Balsam’s ex husband is George Clooney. Slattery must be a pretty confident guy. (Her father was Martin Balsam.) ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/255 "2009-11-15T23:02:00Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro;11781831Some trivia I just learned recently is that Talia Balsam, who plays Sterling’s now ex-wife Mona, is the real life current wife of John Slattery/Sterling. It must be interesting having ex-spouse style arguments with your real life spouse and getting paid for it. (Their son has also been on the show several times but just as an extra- one of the Draper boy’s friends at school.[/QUOTE] What would be even weirder would be if Slattery’s IRL wife was the character’s CURRENT wife. It would be more than awkward. I just blew my mind a little. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/256 "2009-11-16T01:02:48Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I just learned that Elizabeth Moss (Peggy) is engaged to Fred Armisen of SNL (the guy who does Obama), and they met when John Hamm did SNL and they did that Mad Men sketch with Moss. > > Cite: [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/arts/television/07barn.html?\_r=1](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/arts/television/07barn.html?_r=1) > > Weirdness. They had a cameo together on CBS Sunday Morning today. They were at an Apps convention in NYC together. I wouldn’t have recognized her (and have no idea who he is). ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/257 "2009-11-16T02:01:38Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > What would be even weirder would be if Slattery’s IRL wife was the character’s CURRENT wife. It would be more than awkward. > > I just blew my mind a little. I want to see Roger with Joan. I think they belong together and could each make each other happy or miserable depending on the occasion. Unfortunately getting rid of Little Mrs. Sterling would probably be expensive. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/258 "2009-11-16T03:49:44Z")
A few eps back in the John Deere episode, I thought Joan and Don had a little moment in the emergency waiting room. Just a slight, silent acknowledgment between two gorgeous and in-the-know alphas musing \*we never really hit it off did we, huh… \*. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/259 "2009-11-16T04:03:41Z")
Do you think Pete and Peggy’s baby will ever reappear? ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/260 "2009-11-16T04:26:28Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Do you think Pete and Peggy’s baby will ever reappear? It is low hanging fruit for a plot line and since no mention has been made I’m thinking there’s a possibility it will reappear. The flip side is that Weiner hasn’t really tried to beat all the usual dead horses in this show, so the baby might stay disappeared. If it does pop up I’m guessing Peggy’s jealous sister will be the one who instigates it as I don’t think she’s done beating on Peggy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852.md?page=14)