# Mad Men - "Shut the door. Have a seat." - (Spoilers after airing) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 8, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852 "2009-11-08T23:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/101 "2009-11-09T21:18:00Z")
> [@astro](#): > > When did Playboy start publishing? 1. However the 1960s saw the opening of the Playboy Clubs; the first opened in 1960 in Chicago, not sure when they opened in Manhattan, but it would be a hellacool tie-in especially considering how many top comedians got their starts there. (Pat Morita got his big break as a Nehru jacket wearing stand up in Playboy Clubs where he was billed as “The Hip Nip”- so it fits right in to the political incorrectness of the era.) ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/102 "2009-11-09T21:18:34Z")
> [@Dorothea\_Book](#): > > On one level, yeah. But I think Don is so split there’s a part of him that really needs to have a wife home waiting for him somewhere in the burbs anchoring the part of him that needs to belong to something other than an office or a temporary sexual fling. No question. The obvious conflict for next season is for Don to surrounded by hook-up opportunities but not take advantage of them because he’s all conflicted. I’m predicting some wild shit for Betty next season. I think she and Francis will be quits a few episodes in and then… who knows. Keys in a hat? The most interesting part of the possibilities Zeitgeist-wise is that we’re entering 1964 and a huge sea change in American attitudes and mores is happening. For people in their 40’s and 50’s this was/is _our_ history as children. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/103 "2009-11-09T21:49:32Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > If I have learned nothing else from watching old movies, for a NY divorce you have to go to Reno and not step one foot out of Nevada for 6 weeks, otherwise you have to start the process from scratch. It’s a frequent plot point. Plust why is Henry going to Reno with Betty? :dubious: I got the impression that Betty was flying out to Reno for her six-week stay and planning on marrying Henry before she came home, but that doesn’t make any sense. Henry’s not going to suddenly take six weeks off work to stay in Neveda in a seperate hotel room across the hall. What I can buy is Betty deciding to leave her kids for six weeks over the Christmas holiday. That’s comptely in character for her. ---
**Author:** ![Dorothea\_Book](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dorothea\_Book](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorothea_Book)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/104 "2009-11-09T21:52:04Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I’m predicting some wild shit for Betty next season. I think she and Francis will be quits a few episodes in and then… who knows. Keys in a hat? Maybe–but I think it’s really over for Don and Bets, however much either of them or both of them may spend time regretting it. Did you notice the lyrics to that closing song: "Shahadaroba, Shahadaroba Means the future Is much better than the past Shahadaroba, Shahadaroba In the future You will find a love that lasts" Now I could be being too literal here but I think these writers choose their songs very carefully and my sense is that what’s key in these lyrics is not so much the promise of something better–nothing actually gets better in _Mad Men_ just like in life ;)-- as the futural orientation. > [@](#): > > The most interesting part of the possibilities Zeitgeist-wise is that we’re entering 1964 and a huge sea change in American attitudes and mores is happening. Yes, indeed. Shahadaroba… ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/105 "2009-11-09T22:05:58Z")
> [@Dorothea\_Book](#): > > Maybe–but I think it’s really over for Don and Bets, however much either of them or both of them may spend time regretting it. Oh… I think Don and Betty are done, the “keys in a hat” refers to Betty trying … well.. “new things”. I’m not sure if 1964 is just a bit early for that though. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/106 "2009-11-09T22:08:49Z")
Question: Why does Lane Pryce pronounce his boss’s name (Saint John Powell) as “Sin Gin Powell”? Is this a British thing? I’ve never heard it anywhere else, but he continually refers to him as Sin-Gin. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/107 "2009-11-09T22:10:26Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Plus why is Henry going to Reno with Betty? :dubious: I got the impression that Betty was flying out to Reno for her six-week stay and planning on marrying Henry before she came home, but that doesn’t make any sense. Henry’s not going to suddenly take six weeks off work to stay in Nevada in a separate hotel room across the hall. What I can buy is Betty deciding to leave her kids for six weeks over the Christmas holiday. That’s completely in character for her. Henry is infatuated with her. And infatuations can come and go. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/108 "2009-11-09T22:12:10Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Question: > > Why does Lane Pryce pronounce his boss’s name (Saint John Powell) as “Sin Gin Powell”? Is this a British thing? I’ve never heard it anywhere else, but he continually refers to him as Sin-Gin. Clearly you are either never read Jane Eyre for a school assignment or had a crappy teacher. “SinGin” is the pronunciation of the name “St. John” in England. [ETA a little extra info.](http://www.babynamewizard.com/namipedia/boy/st-john) ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/109 "2009-11-09T22:12:20Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Plust why is Henry going to Reno with Betty? :dubious: I got the impression that Betty was flying out to Reno for her six-week stay and planning on marrying Henry before she came home, but that doesn’t make any sense. Henry’s not going to suddenly take six weeks off work to stay in Neveda in a seperate hotel room across the hall. What I can buy is Betty deciding to leave her kids for six weeks over the Christmas holiday. That’s comptely in character for her. He probably is going for the entire six weeks, probably just to help her settle and head back to Albany. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/110 "2009-11-09T22:13:47Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Question: > > Why does Lane Pryce pronounce his boss’s name (Saint John Powell) as “Sin Gin Powell”? Is this a British thing? I’ve never heard it anywhere else, but he continually refers to him as Sin-Gin. [Here](http://appellationmountain.net/2009/03/30/name-of-the-day-stjohn) > [@](#): > > St. John has persisted as a surname. There are currently about 15,000 individuals surnamed St. John in the US. And, just like Carter and Jackson and Reese, some parents promoted St. John to the first spot. > > That could still be a little awkward. But back in the day, the pronunciation of St. John was SIN gin. It’s a mash-up of Old English and French, weathered over the years into something that sounds like it could be a perfectly valid given name. (If you’re still scratching your head, consider that Sinclair evolved from St. Claire.) > > The pronunciation inspired some parents to adopt a phonetic spelling for their sons. Sinjin is most common. You might stumble across a Sinjun or Sinjon, too. ---
**Author:** ![Dorothea\_Book](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dorothea\_Book](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorothea_Book)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/111 "2009-11-09T22:14:53Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Oh… I think Don and Betty are done, the “keys in a hat” refers to Betty trying … well.. “new things”. I’m not sure if 1964 is just a bit early for that though. :smack: Wasn’t sure what you meant by that. Some kind of swinger reference from the _Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice_ end of the 60s, no? I’m a bit young to have experienced that outside of movies; I matured in the age of serial monogamy. (Did I miss anything good?) Hard to imagine Betty swinging; unless those pills she’s been taking are a little stronger than Miltown… ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/112 "2009-11-09T22:15:18Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Plust why is Henry going to Reno with Betty? Because he doesn’t think she’s capable of getting the ball rolling by herself, or because he wants to make sure she doesn’t change her mind. Probably a bit of both. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/113 "2009-11-09T22:15:26Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Here [http://appellationmountain.net/2009/03/30/name-of-the-day-stjohn/](http://appellationmountain.net/2009/03/30/name-of-the-day-stjohn/) Aren’t you supposed to be shaking your hand at me and calling me a bastard? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/114 "2009-11-09T22:17:28Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Because he doesn’t think she’s capable of getting the ball rolling by herself, or because he wants to make sure she doesn’t change her mind. Probably a bit of both. I’d say it’s a matter of control. By taking command of the situation–accompanying her to Reno (and perhaps arranging for and paying for the trip)–and by discouraging her from getting a financial settlement from Don, he is manuvering her into being dependent on him. ---
**Author:** ![Dorothea\_Book](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dorothea\_Book](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorothea_Book)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/115 "2009-11-09T22:17:54Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Because he doesn’t think she’s capable of getting the ball rolling by herself, or because he wants to make sure she doesn’t change her mind. Probably a bit of both. I agree. Hardly a lot to expect that he would accompany her for something this momentous–just like he went with her to speak to the lawyer. After all, he’s not keen for her to feel independent and she’s not keen to spend a day without a man holding her hand. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/116 "2009-11-09T22:28:30Z")
Hah! I was re-watching it and it flashed by in one second. At 41:00 to 41:10 look what Pete has in his hand as he exits the building! Yes it’s his little buddy he got at the department store when he exchanged the “chip and dip” ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/117 "2009-11-09T22:51:38Z")
My favorite line was, of course, Roger’s. “We’ve got tea!” ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/118 "2009-11-09T23:10:25Z")
Speaking of Ken, isn’t he now the Acting Chairman of Sterling-Cooper? :eek: I mean the entire senior managment team left without warning over the weekend. Mr Hooker was is only the office manager; I don’t think there’s anybody over Ken left. Sure Saint-John or one of his cronies is one the next flight from London, but would they try to run SC or just give up? ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/119 "2009-11-10T00:21:09Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > You know what was weird? When Joan said “logo files.” For a second I thought “oh yeah, the original high-res vector graphics files of the company logos, I wonder what format they used back then…” > > My answer was of course “paper and ink”. How weird is that? Every time you wanted to use a company’s logo you had to … DRAW it! I would have assumed that they had most logos on photo negatives at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/120 "2009-11-10T01:01:17Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Speaking of Ken, isn’t he now the Acting Chairman of Sterling-Cooper? :eek: I mean the entire senior managment team left without warning over the weekend. Mr Hooker was is only the office manager; I don’t think there’s anybody over Ken left. Sure Saint-John or one of his cronies is one the next flight from London, but would they try to run SC or just give up? I’m fairly sure that Sterling-Cooper 1.0 is dead. As someone pointed out in the last thread, ad agencies don’t have too much in the way of tangible assets. McCann wanted to buy Don, and perhaps, to a lesser extent, Roger, Lane, and Bert. Not only have they left, but they’ve taken the best of their underlings with them. Those left behind will likely spend the day working on their resumes and looting office supplies before St. John shutters the joint. That was the only thing that gave me pause about Don’s plan; it transferred the screwing the top four were getting to the rest of the staff (sans Peggy, Pete, and Beardface-whose-name-I-should-know-but-don’t). None of them deserve that. Well..okay, none of them but Lois. It’s conceivable that Sterling-Cooper mark two will avoid a lawsuit by agreeing to take her as well as the stolen files. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852.md?page=7)