# Mad Men - "Shut the door. Have a seat." - (Spoilers after airing) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 8, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852 "2009-11-08T23:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/121 "2009-11-10T01:08:11Z")
I wonder if they have to get permission from the real [McCann Erickson](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCann_Erickson)to use their name in the plot, or from the other companies for that matter. Personally I love the fact that they use products like Clearasil, Pampers, TWA and Lucky Strike instead of Zitsaway, Nappers, BFA and Happy Sticks (i.e. off-brands that you know are based on real products) as it adds that much more reality to the show, but it’s not always flattering to the real product (as in Lee Garner, Jr., putting the moves on Sal.) That said I wouldn’t mind see them taking on McMann-Tate for an account. 😉 I can see Sal coming back something like the blacklisted writers and directors during the McCarthy Era- working from home under an assumed name for cash. I hope so as I liked the character. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/122 "2009-11-10T01:23:01Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > That said I wouldn’t mind see them taking on McMann-Tate for an account. 😉 Maybe someone will redo _Bewitched_ with all of the drinking, smoking and sex of _Mad Men_. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/123 "2009-11-10T01:23:35Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I wonder if they have to get permission from the real [McCann Erickson](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCann_Erickson)to use their name in the plot, or from the other companies for that matter. Personally I love the fact that they use products like Clearasil, Pampers, TWA and Lucky Strike instead of Zitsaway, Nappers, BFA and Happy Sticks (i.e. off-brands that you know are based on real products) as it adds that much more reality to the show, but it’s not always flattering to the real product (as in Lee Garner, Jr., putting the moves on Sal.) > > That said I wouldn’t mind see them taking on McMann-Tate for an account. 😉 > > I can see Sal coming back something like the blacklisted writers and directors during the McCarthy Era- working from home under an assumed name for cash. I hope so as I liked the character. Well … Sal got shafted (and not in a good way) by Roger’s edict and then Don delivering the ax blow. I don’t know how eager he would be be to come back to that context. Plus the Lucky Strike molester is still the main cash cow. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/124 "2009-11-10T01:24:35Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > Maybe someone will redo _Bewitched_ with all of the drinking, smoking and sex of _Mad Men_. Genius! That would be so awesome. Which contemporary actors would play the characters? Did they actually smoke on Bewitched? I forget. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/125 "2009-11-10T01:26:23Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Well..okay, none of them but Lois. It’s conceivable that Sterling-Cooper mark two will avoid a lawsuit by agreeing to take her as well as the stolen files. Hmm… that might work. I don’t think any of them at Sterling-Cooper-Draper-Pryce even play golf. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/126 "2009-11-10T01:26:53Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > Maybe someone will redo _Bewitched_ with all of the drinking, smoking and sex of _Mad Men_. Larry is clearly Roger, the unseen McMann is clearly Burt, but I can’t see either Darrin as being nearly as horndoggy as Draper (though Dick Sargent had something in common with Salvatore). ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/127 "2009-11-10T01:30:24Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Hmm… that might work. I don’t think any of them at Sterling-Cooper-Draper-Pryce even play golf. I’m certain that Pete and Roger do. As much as an asshole as St. John is, he was right when he implied that playing golf is a big part of an account man’s job. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/128 "2009-11-10T01:31:15Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Hmm… that might work. I don’t think any of them at Sterling-Cooper-Draper-Pryce even play golf. Would you drink a cup of coffee that Lois made? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/129 "2009-11-10T01:34:46Z")
Once the new Mrs. Sterling’s new car smell is gone I wonder if Roger will re-hook with Joan (whose marriage seems less than the stuff of Hallmark cards and Harlequin romances). ---
**Author:** ![Dorothea\_Book](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dorothea\_Book](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorothea_Book)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/130 "2009-11-10T01:48:36Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Larry is clearly Roger, the unseen McMann is clearly Burt, but I can’t see either Darrin as being nearly as horndoggy as Draper (though Dick Sargent had something in common with Salvatore). I would say Bert is Dr. Bombay! ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/131 "2009-11-10T01:54:18Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Once the new Mrs. Sterling’s new car smell is gone I wonder if Roger will re-hook with Joan (whose marriage seems less than the stuff of Hallmark cards and Harlequin romances). I was kind of shocked when Bert came right out and called Roger’s new wife a [trollop](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trollop) ie “a whore” and Roger was pissed, but that was about it. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/132 "2009-11-10T02:04:57Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Would you drink a cup of coffee that Lois made? Lois is the _least_ of the reasons I wouldn’t work at Sterling-Cooper. Even if I did drink coffee. Or alcohol. 😛 > [@astro](#): > > Well … Sal got shafted (and not in a good way) by Roger’s edict and then Don delivering the ax blow. I don’t know how eager he would be be to come back to that context. Plus the Lucky Strike molester is still the main cash cow. It occurrs to me… Don is of the opinion that Sal shoulda just sacked up and done the Lucky Strike molester. Don is now single. And horny – we well know that. And he’s got a new company that _really_ needs the business… Ratings next season could be looking up! ---
**Author:** ![Dorothea\_Book](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dorothea\_Book](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorothea_Book)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/133 "2009-11-10T02:06:55Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > It occurrs to me… Don is of the opinion that Sal shoulda just sacked up and done the Lucky Strike molester. Don is now single. And horny – we well know that. And he’s got a new company that _really_ needs the business… > > Ratings next season could be looking up! Kind of his initial reason for Bobbie Barrett, no? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/134 "2009-11-10T02:20:51Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > That was the only thing that gave me pause about Don’s plan; it transferred the screwing the top four were getting to the rest of the staff (sans Peggy, Pete, and Beardface-whose-name-I-should-know-but-don’t). None of them deserve that. Kinsey (i.e. Beardface) actually _did_ get screwed. And he probably did deserve it. The Fantastic Four took Peggy, Pete and Harry Crane (the TV guy). Cosgrove will probably do okay – he’s Vice-President of Sales or whatever his title was. He might not get as plum a role in his new job but he wouldn’t have kept that role under McCann Erickson anyway. Anyway, what’s up with the working out of a hotel room? That seems like a pricey way to run a business. Wouldn’t it make much more sense to rent an apartment or small office somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/135 "2009-11-10T02:44:46Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Kinsey (i.e. Beardface) actually _did_ get screwed. And he probably did deserve it. The Fantastic Four took Peggy, Pete and Harry Crane (the TV guy). Cosgrove will probably do okay – he’s Vice-President of Sales or whatever his title was. He might not get as plum a role in his new job but he wouldn’t have kept that role under McCann Erickson anyway. > > Anyway, what’s up with the working out of a hotel room? That seems like a pricey way to run a business. Wouldn’t it make much more sense to rent an apartment or small office somewhere? They needed to be set up overnight. I do commercial real estate leases and sales for a living. A commercial lease typically takes at least a few days to get negotiated and approved. In talking to real estate old timers it wasn’t all that much different in the old days. Re Kinsey where ever he goes he’s going to need an office with a door and a lock. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/136 "2009-11-10T02:50:01Z")
> [@astro](#): > > They needed to be set up overnight. I do commercial real estate leases and sales for a living. A commercial lease typically takes at least a few days to get negotiated and approved. In talking to real estate old timers it wasn’t all that much different in the old days. And there was no such thing as an “Executive Suite” where you could just set up a business in a day. Main unmentioned problem with the hotel is that I can’t see them getting a direct line into their suite at that short of notice. Any incoming calls would have to route through the hotel switchboards. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/137 "2009-11-10T05:19:57Z")
Nice finale review in [Salon](http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/mad_men/index.html?story=/ent/tv/iltw/2009/11/09/mad_men_finale) ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/138 "2009-11-10T05:48:56Z")
Isn’t there a big problem here of theft of company materials, breaking of contracts, stealing clients, etc? Even in the 60’s, this stuff would get you in trouble. Taking company files? Intellectual property? They were fired, and this got them out of their contract… Except that once they set up a new company, especially with the guy who ‘fired’ them being one of the partners, it would be clear that there was fraud involved, and a court would nail them against the wall and force them to pay big damages. I think the theft of the company’s files and clients could land them in jail. Maybe that’s part of what next season will be about - the legal fallout from all this. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/139 "2009-11-10T06:02:04Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] They were fired, and this got them out of their contract… Except that once they set up a new company, especially with the guy who ‘fired’ them being one of the partners, it would be clear that there was fraud involved, and a court would nail them against the wall and force them to pay big damages. I think the theft of the company’s files and clients could land them in jail. [/QUOTE] I can see theft of files getting them in trouble, but I don’t think the firings could be legally considered fraud. Pryce had the power to fire them, he exercised it, and then got fired himself. I’m just wondering if Cooper/Sterling/Draper still benefit from the purchase of PPL. ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852/140 "2009-11-10T06:39:01Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Larry is clearly Roger, the unseen McMann is clearly Burt, but I can’t see either Darrin as being nearly as horndoggy as Draper (though Dick Sargent had something in common with Salvatore). No, Pete is clearly Darrin, and Trudy would actually be a much more apt Samantha than Betty. Joan could be the Evil Cousin :D. Lois? Bumbling Aunt Clara (I loved her!) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-shut-the-door-have-a-seat-spoilers-after-airing/516852.md?page=8)