# Maddow's Trump Tax Return announcement **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 15, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204 "2017-03-15T00:29:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/121 "2017-03-15T23:00:32Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Since he is now turning from Julius to Tiberius on Capri, I really think everyone, including his critics, should ensure he spends the rest of his presidency holed up in his villa by the sea, eschewing the White House completely, and letting the civil service run the Empire. Aside from the ‘removal to Capri’ aspect, he seems to be letting others run the Empire anyway. Well, the US government empire. The ‘acquisition of loot’ empire is probably getting his full attention. Who would be surprised if, upon the news of his death, the crowd rejoices? Tacitus says that was the end of Tiberius; in this Trump may well be like him (absent the buggery). > [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Modern communications make it as easy to carry out duties wherever one may be. I assume, confessing ignorance, an American president is required to spend the bulk of the time on American soil; and sending him to rule from the old ruined monastery in romantic Tsetserleg on the slopes of the Khangai Mountains less than 400 miles SW of Ulan Bator is out ? > ‘_The rural landscapes of Siberia and Mongolia are gems hidden within Central Asia_.’ > \*\*[Remote Lands Travel](http://www.remotelands.com/destination/15011401_itinerary_siberia_Crossing-the-Border:-Remote-Siberia-&-Mongolia)\*\*Mayhap he can ask his sons, the Trumplings, to form Charity Foundations devoted to such causes as they favour. I have no trouble picturing Donald sharing a cozy dacha with Vlad, with perhaps just a _little_ solid-gold plating on the walls and fixtures. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/122 "2017-03-15T23:44:05Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Maddow actually said on her show that they contacted the WH to verify the 2005 1040, before airing. The WH issued as statement, confirming its veracity. Ok thanks. I’ve never watched her show. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/123 "2017-03-16T00:34:57Z")
Nm ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/124 "2017-03-16T00:57:46Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Since he is now turning from Julius to Tiberius on Capri, I really think everyone, including his critics, should ensure **he spends the rest of his presidency holed up in his villa by the sea, eschewing the White House completely,** and letting the civil service run the Empire. > Modern communications make it as easy to carry out duties wherever one may be. I assume, confessing ignorance, an American president is required to spend the bulk of the time on American soil; and sending him to rule from the old ruined monastery in romantic Tsetserleg on the slopes of the Khangai Mountains less than 400 miles SW of Ulan Bator is out ? > ‘_The rural landscapes of Siberia and Mongolia are gems hidden within Central Asia_.’ > > **[Remote Lands Travel](http://www.remotelands.com/destination/15011401_itinerary_siberia_Crossing-the-Border:-Remote-Siberia-&-Mongolia)** > > Mayhap he can ask his sons, the Trumplings, to form Charity Foundations devoted to such causes as they favour. No. His presence at Mar-A-Lago is a[major disruption to local businesses](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/donald-trump-visits-mar-a-lago-businesses.html) due to the various security restrictions. He could very well cause some bankruptcies. Not a good look for the “greatest jobs President ever”. _old rolleyes_ > [@](#): > > For some of the businesses and government agencies that surround President Trump’s “Winter White House,” the effects of his frequent weekend getaways to Mar-a-Lago can best be told in numbers. > > ■ $200,000 in lost fuel sales at a large local airport in a single four-day visit this month. > > ■ 75 no-shows at a new restaurant in just one night. > > ■ $60,000 a day to pay overtime to sheriff’s deputies who guard the many closed roads, a tab that is about $1.5 million over all since the election. > > ■ 250 private flights grounded every day. > > A month into his presidency, Mr. Trump arrived at Mar-a-Lago, his private club here, for a third weekend in a row this Presidents’ Day weekend. For the locals, that’s at least three days of clogged roads and strict security protocols that hurt local businesses and frustrate residents. > Although economic development officials are ecstatic over the free publicity provided by news reporters’ live waterfront shots — and the excited buzz in the area is palpable — others are exasperated over the drain on small businesses and the circuitous routes residents have to drive to avoid two miles of closed roads. Weekends are bad enough. Permanent residence would be a disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/125 "2017-03-16T01:22:00Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > … > > And, in fact, she noted the fact that some people might find the fact that he paid this much tax to be a plus in his favor since there was some speculation based on the lose he took on his 1995 taxes that he might have been able to completely wipe out his tax liability for near 20 years. > … In light of the previously revealed portion of the 1995 return and this release of 2005 data it seems that the [speculation about not paying taxes](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html) for 18 years was just speculation. So if before the 2005 tax year The Donald was able to use up the carried forward loss of some 916 million for the 1995 tax year, then he really may have made some significant income in those intervening years. Only other option I see is that he could have applied the carried forward loss in 2005 but chose not to. Seems un-Trumplike. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/126 "2017-03-16T01:26:00Z")
Mar-A-Lago can sacrifice itself to save the rest of the country from his presence. Anyway, he has to be _somewhere_ physically whilst he’s in this mortal plane, and the same security would apply wherever he is, or Obama was for that matter. It seems mostly due to the ridiculous restrictions and theatre the United States imposes on the protection of it’s presidents — not through any choice of those presidents. Apart from the new NYPD cost of $1 million a day for Trump Towers, even before him presidential security was estimated at $2 million a day. How much of the former is rolled into the latter is anyone’s guess. By comparison Royal Security in Britain for all of them is estimated by hostile groups at £100 million a year, as opposed to that American $730 million a year. And in last year’s visit the Queen forced Obama to make do with with 3 helicopters instead of 6. Nothing bad happened. _[An insider said](http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/queen-elizabeth-ii-banned-barack-obamas-choppers-from-landing-on-windsor-lawns-1398930) US aides refused to change their plans on security grounds but came around to the Queen’s wishes eventually. “They said they needed to be within reach of the president at all times. They also wanted guards posted inside the dining hall when he had lunch with the Queen,” the insider said. " But Her Majesty refused to back down and said, ‘three helicopters only’. Eventually the President’s aides accepted her wishes," the report said._ I can’t imagine a 90-yr-old lady would enjoy lunch with heavily armed security glaring at her. Eventually, regardless of who’s president, a cost-analysis of protecting a single person so massively will have to be made; and maybe — no matter how more important he would be than the British Queen and everyone else and no matter the consequences — they will recognize that they will survive a death of a president, as they have before, and the world will carry on, and then cut it to $1 million a day tops. Besides, I’m sure he shops locally. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/127 "2017-03-16T01:40:11Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Mar-A-Lago can sacrifice itself to save the rest of the country from his presence. > > Anyway, he has to be _somewhere_ physically whilst he’s in this mortal plane, and the same security would apply wherever he is, or Obama was for that matter. It seems mostly due to the ridiculous restrictions and theatre the United States imposes on the protection of it’s presidents — not through any choice of those presidents. He can stay in the White House. He doesn’t disturb anyone there, he won’t do any more damage there than anywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/128 "2017-03-16T01:41:25Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > In light of the previously revealed portion of the 1995 return and this release of 2005 data it seems that the [speculation about not paying taxes](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html) for 18 years was just speculation. > > So if before the 2005 tax year The Donald was able to use up the carried forward loss of some 916 million for the 1995 tax year, then he really may have made some significant income in those intervening years. > > Only other option I see is that he could have applied the carried forward loss in 2005 but chose not to. Seems un-Trumplike. 2005 returns had to be submitted for Melania to become a US citizen. They are the only DJT tax forms that she needed released, so I’m not surprised these would be the cleanest. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/129 "2017-03-16T11:51:07Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He can stay in the White House. He doesn’t disturb anyone there, he won’t do any more damage there than anywhere else. East, West, Tsetserleg is best. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/130 "2017-03-16T20:25:36Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > NBC’s legal team must have determined that they are on solid legal ground before allowing the report to air. There will be no suit and it wasn’t illegal. > [@jshore](#): > > Unfortunately for Republican authoritarians like yourself, we still live in a democracy that has strong protections for freedom of the press. While the individual who leaked these might be subject to legal prosecution, the news media won’t be. What she did was illegal, and if NBC’s legal team let her do it, they need to be fired en masse. It is a flagrant violation of 26 U.S. Code § 7213: > [@](#): > > (3) Other persons > It shall be unlawful for any person to whom any return or return information (as defined in section 6103(b)) is disclosed in a manner unauthorized by this title thereafter willfully to print or publish in any manner not provided by law any such return or return information. Any violation of this paragraph shall be a felony punishable by a fine in any amount not exceeding $5,000, or imprisonment of not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. She committed a felony. NBC was complicit in it. Whoever leaked it to her also committed a felony. I would love to see the FBI come down on them all with warrants. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/131 "2017-03-16T20:42:20Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > What she did was illegal, and if NBC’s legal team let her do it, they need to be fired en masse. It is a flagrant violation of 26 U.S. Code § 7213: > She committed a felony. NBC was complicit in it. Whoever leaked it to her also committed a felony. I would love to see the FBI come down on them all with warrants. She knowingly published returns that she’d received illegally? Even now plenty of people are speculating that Trump leaked the returns himself–where’s your proof that this isn’t what happened? Where’s your proof that Maddow knew, or could reasonably be expected to know, that this isn’t what happened? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/132 "2017-03-16T20:57:19Z")
I can’t imagine that you can beat the rap on that based on mere speculation of that sort. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/133 "2017-03-16T21:29:22Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I can’t imagine that you can beat the rap on that based on mere speculation of that sort. The speculation would have to be that she stole the document. There is no case. Fox will not tell you this. But it’s true. Think about that. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/134 "2017-03-16T21:57:44Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > OMG, she won’t stop repeating herself. JUST GET TO THE POINT! > > ^that’s me yelling at Maddow. That’s her “style.” When I first heard of her she was, briefly, my heroine. Now I refuse to watch her — I just wish she’d shut up. I’m saddened to be on the same side of an issue as her. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/135 "2017-03-16T22:03:10Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > What she did was illegal, and if NBC’s legal team let her do it, they need to be fired en masse. It is a flagrant violation of 26 U.S. Code § 7213: > She committed a felony. NBC was complicit in it. Whoever leaked it to her also committed a felony. I would love to see the FBI come down on them all with warrants. You are way out of your depth. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/136 "2017-03-16T23:13:40Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > The speculation would have to be that she stole the document. There is no case. > > Fox will not tell you this. But it’s true. Think about that. You don’t have to steal — or arrange to have stolen — an illegally acquired document to be prosecuted for publishing it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/137 "2017-03-16T23:22:00Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > You are way out of your depth. And yet he’s so shallow. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/138 "2017-03-16T23:28:01Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > You are way out of your depth. Perhaps one of the SDMB lawyers can weigh in. My understanding is that after the Pentagon Papers, it’s widely believed that the press can generally publish illegally obtained material, though the leaker can generally be prosecuted so long as government goons don’t break into his psychiatrist’s office looking for evidence. That said, I think the court decision on the Pentagon Papers was a little narrower, referring mostly to prior restraint, but are nonetheless suggestive of a wider first amendment interpretation. I’d love to learn more, if someone informed on the topic wanted to share… ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/139 "2017-03-17T00:05:56Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > I’d love to learn more, if someone informed on the topic wanted to share… The Guardian and the Washington Post jointly won a Pulitzer for their handling of Edward Snowden’s illegally obtained documents, so it seems like the Pentagon Papers precedent was still in effect in 2013. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204/140 "2017-03-17T00:07:47Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > You don’t have to steal — or arrange to have stolen — an illegally acquired document to be prosecuted for publishing it. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/14/the-white-house-says-trumps-tax-return-was-illegally-published-but-rachel-maddow-is-probably-in-the-clear/#comments](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/14/the-white-house-says-trumps-tax-return-was-illegally-published-but-rachel-maddow-is-probably-in-the-clear/#comments) In any case it’s hard to prosecute when the white house released the return. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maddows-trump-tax-return-announcement/782204.md?page=8)