# Madonna and Britney push boundaries, result: masturbation **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 29, 2003, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419 "2003-08-29T13:55:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![TeaElle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@TeaElle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeaElle)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/41 "2003-08-30T01:39:37Z")
I just think that it’s funny that this whole scene came up during a parody/retread of Madonna’s _actually_ shocking “Like a Virgin” performance from the first VMAs back in 1984. **That** really was out there, with her rolling around on the floor, underwear exposed, humping the stage, moaning lasciviously. It was outer limits, and people talked about it for weeks and there was a great deal of discussion about how such things were really inappropriate for television, even cable television. That talk was coming from every corner, people from the “mainstream” entertainment media (please remember that MTV wasn’t mainstream until around 1986 at the very earliest) were decrying the envelope-pushing engendered in Madonna’s performance and it was one of the facets of her history which put her on the hit list for the “this has gone too far” crowd. Cut to 2003. A well established international superstar takes on a sapphic scene with not one but two young up and comers of the same gender, including dancing, frotting, fondling and the two kisses, at least one of which was visually tongue-inclusive. The only people who have anything to say by way of complaint about the scene are the die-hard anti-gay crowd or the die-hard uberconservative modesty-decency set. (The former would certainly speak up, the latter just hate on Madonna, Britney and Christina on general principles, no matter what they’re doing.) For most folks, the only reason why this is discussion worthy is because of the whole “two women kissing is hot” angle or the “oh they’re boring, this faux-provocative bit is a yawn” angle, not because of a sense of (inter)national outrage. Say what you will, times have changed. They haven’t changed enough, though, IMO, because had one of the Fab 5 from Queer Eye leaned over and smooched Jimmy Fallon with an open mouth and obvious tongue, the hue and cry today would be so great that you’d think that someone had blown up the Statue of Liberty or something. No question. ---
**Author:** ![teemingONE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b4bc9f/32.png) [@teemingONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teemingONE)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/42 "2003-08-30T02:29:43Z")
Yea but it was hotter when she kissed Britney and Christina. ---
**Author:** ![caveman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caveman/32/7242_2.png) [@caveman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caveman)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/43 "2003-08-30T04:01:23Z")
_sigh_ this silly “kissing” business has overshadowed a more important fact brought to light in this video: Christina’s boobs seem to have surpassed Britney’s in size at some point after the public commotion about Ms Spears’ possible enhancement… ---
**Author:** ![Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/44 "2003-08-30T04:07:19Z")
Did that make anyone think about the sketch on SNL where they wish to see some lesbian action, and then realize their mistake when two butch girls are making out and they turn to one another… “We forgot to say “hot”… HOT lesbian action! Nooooo!” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/45 "2003-08-30T05:20:38Z")
Um, actually, there was some guy on guy action on SNL once-when Ian McKellen hosted, he planted one right on Jimmy Fallon. And he was in drag, too. That was pretty cool. Ian McKellen is cool. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/46 "2003-08-30T05:34:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*Cripes, isn’t Madonna’s fifteen minutes up _yet_? \*\* Nope, because she’s an ARTIST with STAYING POWER. She’s worth more than 15 minutes. It’s been 20 years now for her, an undeniable feat, especially in these “disposable” times. Suck it up. And yes, **matt** ’s got it right. Madonna enjoys making love with both men and women (and believe me, being married hasn’t stopped her). I think everyone is overthinking this. It was just supposed to be hot and all in fun. Nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/47 "2003-08-30T06:37:04Z")
> [@](#): > > I think everyone is overthinking this. It was just supposed to be hot and all in fun. I underthought it, and my underthought was “Girls, you’re trying too hard.” And then I thought, “I wonder if there’s any ice cream left?” So no, I didn’t think it was hot, but then girl/girl does nothing for me. I didn’t think it was edgy – Girls Kiss! Also, Fire Hot, Water Wet! But then my idea of sexy tends to be a bit more subtle than two (mostly) straight women putting their tongues down each others’ throats at an awards show. ---
**Author:** ![AfterAugust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AfterAugust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AfterAugust)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/48 "2003-08-30T07:17:50Z")
Um, there is one thing about that picture that grosses me out. Okay, either that thing in Brittany’s open mouth is gum, or a really chewed up tongue. Blech…ewww… ---
**Author:** ![Ethwi\_Elestirne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Ethwi\_Elestirne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethwi_Elestirne)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/49 "2003-08-30T08:21:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bettyspaghetti \* > \*\*IMHO the FCC needs to grow a set > > Are these woman bisexual? Are they choosing to be gay? or is it predetermined in their genes that they partcicipate in mutual masturabation in front of 70 million households? They need to grow up, sexy and sophisticated they ain’t! Is Britney confused over Madonna’s real intentions? Will Christina turn jealous? or was this staged just for the studio execs to get a hard on and be more easily greased and relieved of millions in royalties for the “artists”? > > WOuld it be as universally accepted if two men were up on stage findling and kissing each other. Oh no, macho guys just want lesbo action, lesbo action is hot, lesbo action is money, we worship at the house of pussy - \*\* You rock, bettyspaghetti. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Psalex \* > much like the hope that kissing blarney stone would bestow eloquence upon the kisser. My friend kissed the Blarney Stone… ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/50 "2003-08-30T08:22:06Z")
Oh golly. Madonna kissed another woman. Dread, shock, blub-blub-blub. Perhaps that would have been shocking when she was “like a virgin” but not now. Well,. not to most grown up people. Sadly, much of the world isn’t grown up yet. Madonna’s 15 minutes are up. Her stunts are boring. Thank you Madonna, drive though. ---
**Author:** ![Ethwi\_Elestirne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Ethwi\_Elestirne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethwi_Elestirne)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/51 "2003-08-30T08:28:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Svt4Him \* > \*\*Well, it did work for TATU didn’t it? \*\* But they did it WELL. ---
**Author:** ![jamie1928](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f4b2a3/32.png) [@jamie1928](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jamie1928)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/52 "2003-08-30T11:04:44Z")
While Brittney ,Madonna and Christine A ’ music is not my type of music, I think they must have soe sort of talent or else they wouldn’t have the popularity they do. As far as the kissing goes…it achieved what it was supposed to. People are talking about it. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/53 "2003-08-30T11:38:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Nope, because she’s an ARTIST with STAYING POWER. She’s worth more than 15 minutes. Oh right, a major contributor to the world of art. I hear in her next video, she is going to simulate singing. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/54 "2003-08-30T18:36:16Z")
Kinda tacky for the SDMB, but this is just too funny: [http://www.billetdesign.com/forum/files/justin-owned.jpg](http://www.billetdesign.com/forum/files/justin-owned.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/55 "2003-08-30T18:51:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ethwi Elestirne \* > \*\*But they did it WELL. \*\* The big group of chicks who “kissed” during their act were faking it. It’s a classic technique used onstage to make it look like two people are kissing, when they’re really just putting their heads close together. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Shodan_: > \*\*I hear in her next video, she is going to simulate singing. \*\* Snark, snark, snark. So, Shodan, when are YOU going to be in Guiness as the most sucessful female solo artist? ---
**Author:** ![Plankspanker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Plankspanker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plankspanker)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/56 "2003-08-30T19:23:58Z")
yeah, but successful and good are not the same thing… Need i mention bush’s election? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/57 "2003-08-30T20:12:50Z")
> [@](#): > > So, Shodan, when are YOU going to be in Guiness as the most sucessful female solo artist? [snooty voice] I don’t measure my success by crass commercial standards. I want to be true to my Art. For that reason, I refuse to sell out to the masses by photographing anything other than Jell-O in the shape of obscure eighteenth century prizefighters. [/snooty voice] Besides, I doubt it was their heads close together that caused my instinctive grossed-out reaction. It was their tongues close together. Not that Madonna hasn’t had worse things in her mouth. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![AfterAugust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AfterAugust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AfterAugust)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/58 "2003-08-30T20:34:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ParentalAdvisory \* > \*\*Kinda tacky for the SDMB, but this is just too funny: > > [http://www.billetdesign.com/forum/files/justin-owned.jpg](http://www.billetdesign.com/forum/files/justin-owned.jpg) \*\* It could be a look of utter pity that she stooped to that. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/59 "2003-08-30T21:11:47Z")
Naw, she didn’t stoop, she’s an entertainer, and I was entertained. 🙂 Plus after watching it 50 times, the kisses weren’t really that long anyway. If only it lasted longer!! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2003, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419/60 "2003-08-31T00:33:09Z")
Hmmm, I can’t decide what’s more disgusting-kissing Xtina, or kissing the Blarney Stone. Xtina=total skank, but the I’ve heard that the local teenagers piss on the Blarney Stone late at night. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-and-britney-push-boundaries-result-masturbation/198419.md?page=4)