# Madonna declares herself an ambassador for Judaism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 17, 2007, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-declares-herself-an-ambassador-for-judaism/419438 "2007-09-17T00:21:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-declares-herself-an-ambassador-for-judaism/419438/61 "2007-09-18T19:41:21Z")
This we don’t need. **Olives4March** While I agree that Madonna is a very talented singer and dancer, there’s no denying she’s an attention whore. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-declares-herself-an-ambassador-for-judaism/419438/62 "2007-09-18T19:45:23Z")
[QUOTE=DocCathode] **Olives4March** While I agree that Madonna is a very talented singer and dancer [/QUOTE] And to her credit, she didn’t _start_ as a talented singer - in fact, if you listen to her early singles, she was a pretty bad singer. She worked her way from the thin, shaky voice on “Holiday” into someone who could credibly sing _Evita_, and she did it after she was already a superstar and probably could have coasted on her fame. She’s definitely ambitious and driven. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-declares-herself-an-ambassador-for-judaism/419438/63 "2007-09-19T11:16:56Z")
Is it just me or does her husband look so very uncomfortable in that picture? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-declares-herself-an-ambassador-for-judaism/419438/64 "2007-09-19T12:48:55Z")
Wouldn’t you? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-declares-herself-an-ambassador-for-judaism/419438/65 "2007-09-20T01:06:08Z")
Funny: [http://cagle.com/working/070917/lowe.gif](http://cagle.com/working/070917/lowe.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-declares-herself-an-ambassador-for-judaism/419438/66 "2007-09-20T01:13:14Z")
Abassador of Judaism is such a lofty goal. She should start lower. Like circumcision inspector #12 ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2007, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-declares-herself-an-ambassador-for-judaism/419438/67 "2007-09-21T00:06:34Z")
[QUOTE=FriarTed] Did I miss revelations about Madonna’s “abusive father”? I think things were kinda rocky between them but I’ve never heard any accusations of abuse? . [/QUOTE] There definitely seems to be some distance there. I’m a big Doors fan, so I rented the Oliver Stone movie several times (yeah I know, the surviving members hated it, and Oliver Stone does not make documentaries), but still. He did capture the feel of the time pretty well. Anyway, there was a trailer for a Madonna movie, and in one scene I think she calls her dad to say she’s in town, and going to perform. And the dad says they’d like to come to a show…whenever she can get tickets. Yeah, right. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2007, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-declares-herself-an-ambassador-for-judaism/419438/68 "2007-09-21T00:56:08Z")
She was raised Catholic, wasn’t she? IIRC, the Roman Catholic version of the OT does have “The Rest of the Book of Esther” in which God is mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-declares-herself-an-ambassador-for-judaism/419438/69 "2007-09-21T02:41:37Z")
[QUOTE=One Cent Stamp] And to her credit, she didn’t start as a talented singer - in fact, if you listen to her early singles, she was a pretty bad singer. She worked her way from the thin, shaky voice on “Holiday” into someone who could credibly sing Evita, and she did it after she was already a superstar and probably could have coasted on her fame. She’s definitely ambitious and driven. [/QUOTE] Agreed, totally. She did not initially plan on being a singer, but rather a professional dancer. And from interviews with her former dance instructors, it appears she would have done quite well in professional dance. > [@](#): > > Anyway, there was a trailer for a Madonna movie, and in one scene I think she calls her dad to say she’s in town, and going to perform. And the dad says they’d like to come to a show…whenever she can get tickets. > > Yeah, right. Actually he was there in (I think) her performance in _Truth or Dare_, when she was doing (I think) The Girly Show\*. This was when she did Like a Virgin pretending to masturbate on a satin bedspread wearing the infamous Pointy Bra. It was also when she did ‘‘Oh Father.’’ She was pretty nervous about it. They kind of got into a thing afterward, definitely some pretty strong tension. But he was ultimately supportive, just kind of, ‘‘Um, I don’t understand why you had to do the Pointy Bra.’’ She talks a lot in the film about how they have come to a sort of understanding… not really talking about it, but just moving on. It is clear from her music that she understands her father was abusive because it was his way of grieving her mother’s death. \*Might have been _Blond Ambition_. And the film might have been _Bedtime Stories._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-declares-herself-an-ambassador-for-judaism/419438.md?page=3)