# Madonna has lost her \*\*\*\*ing mind in this custody dispute **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 24, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290 "2015-12-24T20:26:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2015, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/41 "2015-12-26T06:17:35Z")
Maybe it’d be a good idea for the court to appoint a lawyer to represent the 16 year old boy’s interests? Guardian ad litem? If for no other reason, I’d think the Judge would want a long conversation with the boy without either parent or their attorneys present. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2015, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/42 "2015-12-26T07:05:15Z")
Let’s get Rocco’s age correct, O.K.? He’s 15. He was born August 11, 2000. Incidentally, I’m not sure which of Madonna’s recent boyfriends we were discussing above. There have been several of them in recent years who are all considerably younger than her. There’s no section in her Wikipedia entry about her personal life, so it’s hard to look up who she’s dated. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2015, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/43 "2015-12-26T11:59:25Z")
My sister-in-law (sister to my husband’s brother’s ex-wife) had a son at 14 and a daughter at 16. She was a strict mom who followed her daughter to and from school every day and beat her if she caught her with a boy. Her daughter was pregnant at 14. It isn’t that rare. Also, growing up I had a neighbor who had 3 kids by 17. She was nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2015, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/44 "2015-12-26T12:10:44Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The non-custodial parent has a tough time really parenting one weekend a month. _You’re grounded!_ (for the weekend) doesn’t work very well. 😉 Or the kid brought home a bad report card and the custodial parent has already given the stern lecture and punishment. The other parent would look like a jerk doing the same thing two weeks later. > > Like it or not the non-custodial parent becomes the “nice parent”. The one that clears their entire schedule for that one weekend a month to devote to the kid. Buys tickets to the sports games. Takes them places. All for that one weekend a month. It’s only natural that anybody would treat that one weekend a month as a special time with their kid. Or not… I had a coworker who was one of those separated men who can’t figure out why their wives kicked them out: there isn’t anybody else and they think they’re good providers. It takes any woman not in love with them a few minutes to figure out that their idea of being “a good provider” involves barely being in the house, undermining the wife’s authority with the children, never doing any housework and a combination of the sentences “what’s for dinner?” “hey, bring me another beer” and “let’s get it on” (or variants thereof). He was stunned for hours when his children asked him if it would be possible to buy some milk and cereal “so we won’t have to go down to the bar for breakfast”, prior to a weekend with Daddy. He played Santa just fine, but he had no idea how to play Dad. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/45 "2015-12-27T06:21:35Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ve been of the opinion for decades that this woman doesn’t have have a genuine, legitimate friend in the world. I wonder, quite honestly, if Madonna Louise Ciccone even has anything one could identify as a normal human personality. Her entire life has been spent pursuing fame and public notoriety with a drive that borders on the superhuman. At what point has she even been able to develop aspects of personal attributes deeper than her celebrity persona? I’ve always thought this actually. Oprah Winfrey would be another one. I am not sure there is a person there. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/46 "2015-12-27T07:22:39Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I’ve always thought this actually. Oprah Winfrey would be another one. I am not sure there is a person there. I agree with you generally, but not with this. There’s a person there, but they have different motivations and personal limits than we do. As an example, I heard of a story where Oprah was running to catch a plane when she realized she could buy the airline. She apparently stopped running. So it’s a person. They still want love, food, shelter, and validation. But they live in a pretty different day-to-day reality. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/47 "2015-12-27T17:25:37Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I wonder, quite honestly, if Madonna Louise Ciccone even has anything one could identify as a normal human personality. Her entire life has been spent pursuing fame and public notoriety with a drive that borders on the superhuman. At what point has she even been able to develop aspects of personal attributes deeper than her celebrity persona? Replace fame with academic accolades and this also sounds like several Phd’s I know. Many of them _do_ have some semblences of a normal human personality:) ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/48 "2015-12-27T19:25:44Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > I agree. A NYC judge interjecting herself so quickly into this familial dispute just smells bad. Its very strange. At the age of 16, the child’s opinion would be given heavy weight in family court regarding visitation. If I had to guess, it sounds like she framed it as the father not allowing the son to travel, hence the statement of the father’s family (“no its not that, he just doesn’t wanna”). ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/49 "2015-12-27T19:43:14Z")
The key to that story is that what the judge is _actually_ ordering is that Rocco has to come to New York to deal with the matter in that jurisdiction. The judge did not say that Rocco’s wishes wouldn’t be taken into account - the judge is saying that that needs to be considered _in New York_, and not in the parallel court case going on in the UK. Specifically, the story notes that Rocco will have a _court-appointed_ lawyer to represent him in the NY court case. His opinion will be considered. Misleading clickbait headline once again trumps reading comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/50 "2015-12-27T20:19:19Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Er… actually 51 is old enough to be grandmother to a 23 year old… Easy. Have a daughter at 14 who has a son at 14. Be a grandmother at 28. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/51 "2015-12-27T20:33:44Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > Easy. Have a daughter at 14 who has a son at 14. Be a grandmother at 28. Been dealt with earlier in the thread, and let’s note that even if Gran gets knocked up on her 14th birthday and Mum on _her_ 14th, Gran is still 29 1/2 (not 28) when Grandchild is born. The only way you’ll make it in under the wire assuming both pregnancies run full term is for one or both of these teen mums to get laid while still 13. I don’t say it’s never happened, but it’s a darned unlikely scenario anywhere in the civilized world and you’re entitled to figure there aren’t two full generations between 51 and 23. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/52 "2015-12-27T20:37:19Z")
I’m surprised by how many people here have an intimate view of Madonna’s personal life. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/53 "2015-12-27T20:44:17Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I dunno, would you say the same if its a rich old man marrying a young girl? I think “good for her” If you are marrying someone way younger than you, then you probably don’t care about emotional/mental maturity in a romantic partner which is a bad sign. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/54 "2015-12-27T22:58:08Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > The key to that story is that what the judge is _actually_ ordering is that Rocco has to come to New York to deal with the matter in that jurisdiction. The judge did not say that Rocco’s wishes wouldn’t be taken into account - the judge is saying that that needs to be considered _in New York_, and not in the parallel court case going on in the UK. > > Specifically, the story notes that Rocco will have a _court-appointed_ lawyer to represent him in the NY court case. His opinion will be considered. > > Misleading clickbait headline once again trumps reading comprehension. If he deigns to show up I’m guessing his lawyer will not be a court appointed attorney. By the time he gets in front of a NY Judge he’ll virtually be 16. That would be an amusing hearing. I do wonder (1) if he blows off the NY Judges order to go back to Mama if the UK is obligated (somehow) to make him go home and (2) if he ignores the Judges order are there legal repercussions for him (or his dad) if he tries to enter the US in the future? ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/55 "2015-12-28T07:11:12Z")
It’s bad enough that she makes her son have his hair cut exactly like hers and makes him wear her 1983 mom jeans. What 15 year-old boy wants to hang out and go on tour with his 60 year-old mom? Plus, isn’t Madonna British? Does the NY court really have jurisdiction? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/56 "2015-12-28T09:15:16Z")
Madonna was born and grew up in Michigan. No, she’s not British (unless she’s changed her citizenship). ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/57 "2015-12-29T01:34:58Z")
And she’s 57, not 60. Come on, people. Why do you think you know intimate personal details of Madonna’s life when you can’t even get basic facts straight like her age and her citizenship? ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/58 "2015-12-29T19:18:10Z")
> [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > And she’s 57, not 60. Come on, people. Why do you think you know intimate personal details of Madonna’s life when you can’t even get basic facts straight like her age and her citizenship? Because she is telling us. And one of the things she told us is that her 16 year old son has “#nosausage”. > **[Madonna -- '#Nosausage' Quip Not Cool with Rocco](https://www.tmz.com/2015/12/27/madonna-rocco-nosausage-instagram/)** > > There are things that are universal ... little girls don't like their ponytails pulled, little boys don't like their cheeks pinched, and teenagers don't like their moms talking about their sausages. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/59 "2015-12-29T19:37:11Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Because she is telling us. And one of the things she told us is that her 16 year old son has “#nosausage”. > > [Madonna -- '#Nosausage' Quip Not Cool with Rocco](http://www.tmz.com/2015/12/27/madonna-rocco-nosausage-instagram/) If she had followed her own Instructions she wouldn’t have had a career. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290/60 "2015-12-29T20:16:01Z")
I get irritated with the blatant ageism attacks against Madonna. She’s kept herself fit and in shape. She’s writing and performing fresh new music. She’s still one of the best all around entertainers in the business today. She headlined the Superbowl half time special just two years ago. > **[Madonna -- Sean Penn Must Be My Lucky Star](https://www.tmz.com/2015/10/15/sean-penn-madonna-concert-canada/)** > > Madonna has a superfan ... ex-husband Sean Penn, who was smack dab front and center at her Wednesday night concert in Vancouver. scroll down to the bottom and play her song Secret performed last year. Madonna playing guitar and singing with no band. Just one guy on a guitar accompanying her. Rocco had an incredible opportunity to learn from the very best. Touring with her would be a huge education in how its done. She’s sustained a career for over 30 years. Reinventing herself over and over again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-has-lost-her-ing-mind-in-this-custody-dispute/741290.md?page=4)