# Madonna - Hot or Not? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 30, 2008, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-hot-or-not/470185 "2008-10-30T01:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ichbin\_Dubist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@Ichbin\_Dubist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichbin_Dubist)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-hot-or-not/470185/61 "2008-11-01T19:36:39Z")
Not. She’s never done anything for me and this current look is her least appealing incarnation for me. And I generally have a thing for older women and skinny chicks, but all I see in those biceps is an unhealthy obsessiveness and vanity. Her arms look like an extension cord bunched into a condom. ---
**Author:** ![5-HT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/f19dbf/32.png) [@5-HT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5-HT)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-hot-or-not/470185/62 "2008-11-01T21:54:48Z")
Not hot. not even a little. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-hot-or-not/470185/63 "2008-11-01T22:36:30Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > I’m an enormous Madonna fan and I believe that she is one of the least understood people on the planet. Perhaps – but she herself has made her overall persona, and not just her music, the focus of her career. And I have to agree with **ianzin** : > [@ianzin](#): > > In every interview I’ve ever seen, and every media piece I’ve ever read about Madonna, I’ve never heard her utter a single word of kindness, make a genuinely funny comment, express any appreciation or admiration for someone else (including the people who help her career), show any love of life, or focus on anyone or anything except herself. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-hot-or-not/470185/64 "2008-11-02T03:31:49Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Perhaps – but she herself has made her overall persona, and not just her music, the focus of her career. And I have to agree with **ianzin** : I understand some people don’t like her, and I even sort of understand why. I really connect with her music and find her very inspiring, so I just wanted to put another perspective out there. I think she’s quite attractive for a 50 year old, but not nearly as hot as she was in the 90s. When she filmed the _Metropolis_-inspired _Express Yourself_ and the super sexy _Take a Bow_, I think those were her hottest days–and best performances. Doesn’t matter how much Pilates she does… she really can’t keep up the energy of something like\* The Girlie Show\* or _Blonde Ambition._ I loved her in _Die Another Day_ but the pink leotard/Olivia Newton John getup is from an era she lived–so retro doesn’t work–it just makes her look old. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-hot-or-not/470185/65 "2008-11-02T05:52:01Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > …Wearing the PVC bikini with the braidup in [Human Nature](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJq7-oyEYaY). I’m not a big fan of the S&M theme but she looks beautiful in that leather/pvc bikini. :eek: Great jumping jehosaphat! Did anyone, at any time, think that that was a good song or video? I only lasted 5 seconds… ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-hot-or-not/470185/66 "2008-11-02T12:52:51Z")
> [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](#): > > :eek: Great jumping jehosaphat! Did anyone, at any time, think that that was a good song or video? I only lasted 5 seconds… Someone must have. It’s probably one of my favorite songs ever. _I’m not your bitch, don’t hang your shit on me_ Heh. She’s talking about the haters, you know. ETA: Also a bit revealing of the sense of humor people don’t think she has. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-hot-or-not/470185/67 "2008-11-02T17:06:55Z")
I think it’s a really good song; I’m a fan of a lot of Madonna’s music if not her personality. The video is a little “modern dance”-y for my tastes, but I can appreciate how provocative it was at the time. ---
**Author:** ![ianzin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed655f/32.png) [@ianzin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ianzin)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-hot-or-not/470185/68 "2008-11-04T07:47:19Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > She had a hard time dealing with the death of her mother and the abuse of her father. Mix that in with some good old-fashioned Catholic guilt and her early experiences in the Detroit and New York City club scene, and she becomes perfectly understandable in context. Respect to you for your views and your perspective, and I am all for a tolerant / forgiving / understanding outlook. I would add one minor caveat though. There are people who have known great hardship, deprivation and difficulties in life (possibly more than Madge) but who have somehow emerged as the warmest, most gentle, selfless and fun-loving people you’ll ever meet (even without a vast personal fortune). There are others who have had, and continue to have, every good fortune and advantage, but who are nonetheless mean-spirited, spoilt and endlessly selfish. Tough times in early life are not _necessarily_ either the root of, _or excuse for_, flawed, brat-like, selfish or joyless attitudes and behaviours later on. I’m sure you are well aware of this, and it’s related to the ‘post hoc ergo prompter hoc’ fallacy you find in all the books on reasoning errors. ---
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-hot-or-not/470185/69 "2008-11-04T10:05:36Z")
Back in '88 or so, I had an extremely vivid music-videoy dream where I banged Madonna, her legs over my shoulders-missionary style. It’s the only wet dream I ever had - Madonna basically popped my cherry. Would I do her now? Despite my affection for adult, experienced females, no, for all the well-put reasons posted above. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/madonna-hot-or-not/470185.md?page=3)