# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/321 "2014-02-16T22:22:21Z")
**Johnny** , why do you need to know my role? Why on earth would that be useful to town at this point? I’d like to think that it is understandable to folks why I don’t think it is a good idea to reveal my role and/or other information at this time. I have already done enough damage by having to claim at all. I accept that I will have to “prove myself” in coming days. I will, assuming that I survive. If anyone truly thinks that in a “Baker Street” mafia there could either be no character of Sherlock Holmes, or that Holmes could be a role given to scum, well, you’re entitled to think that, but that’s pretty crazy. In other news: **unvote Silver Jan** – for the moment anyway. She is sounding much less waffly at the moment. **TexCat** : a clarification. Do you think that one or the other of **gnarly** and **Scathach** _must_ be scum? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/322 "2014-02-16T22:22:35Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Frankly I think it’s infinitely more likely that I would have kept my mouth shut and leave town to believe whatever they want without drawing unnecessary attention to myself. Absolutely! ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/323 "2014-02-16T22:22:48Z")
I’m sorry. I’m rereadng my last post and it seems a little harsh, especially with “more and more I think you’re a terrible player”. I don’t really think that and I’m sorry, **Septimus** , for saying that. I don’t mean anything personal and I know it’s just all a part of the game. I didn’t mean to come off sounding that harsh and I apologize to you. I DO still think you have extremely weak reasonings for voting, however. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/324 "2014-02-16T22:31:01Z")
DaphneBlack, just to clue you in a bit, I am also known as Flakey Jan (thanks sinjin) but you won’t see me play as that 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/325 "2014-02-16T22:36:12Z")
Questions: **septimus** : do you have any townie reads? What do you think of **Mahaloth**? I have to agree that your vote on **Idle** is very weak. **Idle** : do you have any opinions about cases other than those on you? **Dizzy** : any thoughts on the vote(s) on you? **Chronos** : [more of a comment] You have made some pretty strong assumptions about my role, about which I have remained silent. I don’t like that post of yours. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/326 "2014-02-16T22:37:27Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > This is incorrect. I have **never** done this when I was scum. Every time I’ve claimed on Day one, I’ve been town. Sorry, I thought for sure you claimed as scum, but I can’t find the game. Maybe it was a mini-mafia. What game was it on your board, where you signed up last and complained the whole game about not really wanting to play, you were going to quit after this game, and you were scum? I thought it was that game you claimed day one, maybe not? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/327 "2014-02-16T22:38:21Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I’m sorry. I’m rereadng my last post and it seems a little harsh, especially with “more and more I think you’re a terrible player”. > I don’t really think that and I’m sorry, **Septimus** , for saying that. I don’t mean anything personal and I know it’s just all a part of the game. I didn’t mean to come off sounding that harsh and I apologize to you. > > I DO still think you have extremely weak reasonings for voting, however. I like this post, we all get so involved in the game that we tend to forget there are REAL people sitting and typing and giving their all to the game. I have been in tears over this game but I keep plodding along and doing my best because overall it is fun. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/328 "2014-02-16T22:38:31Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > DaphneBlack, just to clue you in a bit, I am also known as Flakey Jan (thanks sinjin) but you won’t see me play as that 🙂 🙂 [oog] If I was named Holmes and dating a Watson I would be so thrilled. Go double-barrelled! [/oog] **Scathach** ’s explanation of her behavior rings true to me, adding her to my townie leans for now. Would like to hear more from **gnarly**! ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/329 "2014-02-16T22:41:11Z")
On emotions: It is very hard not to scream at the screen sometimes. It is sooooo easy to get into tunnel vision in this game. Psychologically, it would make a fascinating study on how group dynamics mix with individual partial-information syndrome and lead to the exclusion of alternative ideas. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/330 "2014-02-16T22:41:47Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Sorry, I thought for sure you claimed as scum, but I can’t find the game. Maybe it was a mini-mafia. What game was it on your board, where you signed up last and complained the whole game about not really wanting to play, you were going to quit after this game, and you were scum? I thought it was that game you claimed day one, maybe not? I have seen Idle claim as scum and he forgot to change his wincon, it wasn’t on D1 though. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/331 "2014-02-16T22:51:38Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > On emotions: It is very hard not to scream at the screen sometimes. > > It is sooooo easy to get into tunnel vision in this game. Psychologically, it would make a fascinating study on how group dynamics mix with individual partial-information syndrome and lead to the exclusion of alternative ideas. Or something. Someone said to me right when I first started playing that most people are Town, so look for Townies and you are more likely to find scum. That’s why I am not a fan of multi-vote games. I tend to look for more Town traits and those not doing it must be scum. It works a lot of the time but not always and I used to be killed very early on, not so much now though. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/332 "2014-02-16T22:53:47Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I’m sorry but that is just whacked! MY clue told them that players could have identical clues, why would scum know that? Leaving a vote on both of them is the same as voting for neither of them and your vote on me is just…just weird. > > **Vote Texcat** > > For her very strange vote on me and for not thinking things through. You are the one who is not thinking out through. You don’t suppose it’s possible for scum too have the same clue as you? And remember that scum have double clues. And certainly from my point of view, it’s possible that scum knew, because you are scum. > [@DaphneBlack](#): > > **TexCat** : a clarification. Do you think that one or the other of **gnarly** and **Scathach** _must_ be scum? I think it possible and even likely, but by no means certain. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/333 "2014-02-16T22:58:39Z")
On my tablet with no real keyboard. …Thinking _things_ through …possible for scum _to_ have ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/334 "2014-02-16T23:01:10Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > You are the one who is not thinking out through. You don’t suppose it’s possible for scum too have the same clue as you? And remember that scum have double clues. And certainly from my point of view, it’s possible that scum knew, because you are scum. > I think it possible and even likely, but by no means certain. Scum have double clues? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/335 "2014-02-16T23:07:14Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > On my tablet with no real keyboard. > …Thinking _things_ through > …possible for scum _to_ have Nice try xxx ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/336 "2014-02-16T23:53:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth [**Johnny Bravo**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17110881&postcount=313): > > 1. My suspicion leads me to consider the following possibility: the scum have a clue that reads something like, "there is no player whose character is named “Sherlock Holmes.” I concede that this is a bit far-fetched. Let’s just nip that one in the bud. From the rules: > [@](#): > > 2.Sherlock Holmes is Town; James Moriarity is the Scum leader. Any other suppositions regarding the alignments of specific characters from the Sherlock Holmes canon ought to be regarded as potentially suspect. > [@](#): > > Quoth **DaphneBlack** : > > Chronos: [more of a comment] You have made some pretty strong assumptions about my role, about which I have remained silent. I don’t like that post of yours. The only assumptions I can see that I’m making are that Sherlock Holmes is a power role, and that that role is an information-gathering one, both of which seem to me to be quite reasonable assumptions. If I’m making any other assumptions, I’m missing what they are: Please point them out. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/337 "2014-02-16T23:55:06Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > But I want to voice a couple concerns I still have. > > 1. The refusal to post _any_ piece of her role is suspicious. > 2. My suspicion leads me to consider the following possibility: the scum have a clue that reads something like, "there is no player whose character is named “Sherlock Holmes.” I concede that this is a bit far-fetched. Can I introduce you to the [rules clarification post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17098347&postcount=55) on PAGE 2 of this game which has been mentioned multiple times by multiple people? It includes as point number (2) in case you got bored after reading point number (1): > [@](#): > > 2.Sherlock Holmes is Town; James Moriarity is the Scum leader. Any other suppositions regarding the alignments of specific characters from the Sherlock Holmes canon ought to be regarded as potentially suspect. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/338 "2014-02-16T23:56:12Z")
NETA: ninja’d ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/339 "2014-02-16T23:56:12Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Let’s just nip that one in the bud. From the rules: > > The only assumptions I can see that I’m making are that Sherlock Holmes is a power role, and that that role is an information-gathering one, both of which seem to me to be quite reasonable assumptions. If I’m making any other assumptions, I’m missing what they are: Please point them out. I’m not even sure it is investigative, though that would be obvious. It could also survive death once, as he did in the books. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/340 "2014-02-16T23:56:20Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > **Vote DaphneBlack** > > 1. I’ve been pinged by her (can’t be “his,” right?!) posts, and find Pizza’s reasoning helps me understand my own. I struggled to articulate my thoughts last night and found I couldn’t, so I side-lined my feelings until something more substantial happened. Pizza’s analysis tells me it’s not just me feeling that way. > > 2. it’s gonna sound absolutely ridiculous, but I mean it honestly: third vote. DaphneBlack placed the third vote on Silver Jan, and as much as we joke around about it, retrospective analysis of our recent past games suggested it’s still frighteningly accurate. > > Any time I place a new multivitote, I’ll try to rank them based on preference. Right now, I’d prefer DaphneBlack was lynched over Silver Jan. (bleaching mine) This one caught my eye as I was catching up. **Astral** starts off with a “me, too” over **pizza** ’s case. That’s not too terrible – townies do it all the time – but it’s worth pointing out. This, by the way, is the first **Daphne** vote after **pizza** ’s case. The timing looks pretty opportunistic – this vote really seemed to build momentum on the train. Then **Astral** points out that **Daphne** was the third vote on a bandwagon. A bandwagon that **Astral** says is _still_ his second preference. Huh? I mean, if you’re going to vote for a player over a supposedly opportunistic vote on a bandwagon, then you’re saying that player is probably scum trying to drive a lynch train on a townie. Simultaneously pushing that bandwagon looks incredibly opportunistic. **Vote Astral** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=18)