# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/441 "2014-02-19T03:02:14Z")
Also, as a side-note: If I am tied with another player, I will vote for that player in the interest of self-preservation. If you really want me dead, make sure I’m one vote above everybody else… I won’t vote to cause a tie. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/442 "2014-02-19T03:04:46Z")
Surely, with modern science being what it was, I could have thought to combine these posts into one mega-post, but oh well: I find LightFoot scummier than Silver Jan, and as promised earlier, I’ll be going into the end of the Day with a single vote. That one vote might change, but I won’t multivote on the final day. **Unvote Silver Jan.** ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/443 "2014-02-19T03:23:39Z")
**Astral** , I think that vote count is missing some votes. I’m also voting for **Diggit** , and I believe so is **Johnny Bravo**. Those votes for Diggit did not appear in the official vote count earlier; we have not received information on why. Is that why you did not include them? O Mod, A Vote Count, if it be Thy will?]\*\* Would someone voting for **Texcat** tell me: is the case purely about her stance on the Duplicate Clue? Or is there more I’ve missed? ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/444 "2014-02-19T03:24:58Z")
Let’s try that again. Form is so important in ritual. **O Gracious Mod, A Vote Count, if it be Thy Will?** ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/445 "2014-02-19T03:27:20Z")
Dizzy’s entire contribution so far (purpling and bolding mine): > [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > Mornin… Sorry didn’t realize we started over here, although I did read my PM. > > I can see why some clues are more helpful to Scum, but mine is I believe Pro-Town to share > > So those calling for mass claims to try and Pin Scum, I don’t think so because they all have covers… > [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > Oh and Pizza I HATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe Your Day 1 random votes, in fact I don’t quite like not knowing what side of the fence you are on! LOL > [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > You may call me whatever you want as long as it’s not late for dinner! > And I think you are Cray Cray 🙂 > > It’s not YOUR specific random vote, it’s random votes in general. I just think they are weak and the easy move. I struggle a LOT on Day1 and usually get a lot of flack for it, but I’m thinking and trying to come up with something of value and merit vs just fluff. > [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > I agree with Astral. **Sinjin seems a bit aggressive at the moment.** I think you are being a tad opportunistic for Mahaloth skimming at the beginning fo D1 > > [vote]Sinjin[/vote] > [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > LOL…First of all Pizza my dear, there have been more than one game that I have seen eye to eye with you 🙂 The current one on GB is one of those rare occurrences. > > I also as I have been playing with you a few games now, don’t see you as much of a threat as I once did, I actually quite enjoy figuring out the Pizza Mind Fuckary game you throw down. I’m a little guarded, but my words with you here are merely in jest for Today :). > > And I said before it’s not YOU I hate the random votes for, I historically vote any player who uses [random.org](http://random.org) for D1 votes 🙂 I don’t like em. I think they are lazy, oh well. I can agree to disagree on it. > [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > **Vote: Sinjin** > > Since my one before didn’t work right. Ugh > [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > Jan, that was an interesting catch… > > Tex, I think that’s the first slip I’ve ever seen of yours… > > **Vote Texcat** > [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > Nope not going to stress about one singular vote. Jan and I always spar, it’s just the way it is 🙂 Can’t get excited over her finding me scummy because she always does. **Vote: Dizzy** Not much to go on here. I really hate her vote for Sinjin for being aggressive, and note that she was bandwagoning Astral here. Why should we think aggressive players are scum? Aggressive players catch scum. Scum are much more likely to be quiet and trying to merge into the background; posting but without saying much and agreeing with others. Dizzy is bandwagoning SilverJan’s post when she votes me. And hasn’t bothered to explain even after I have asked twice about this vote. I actually think that Dizzy skimmed through what the “slip” was, since the alleged slip was based on her CLUE. I think Dizzy was just miming SilverJan and getting a vote in where she could. Correction for Astral’s vote count: You missed the same two Diggitt votes that our mod missed. (291 and 308). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/446 "2014-02-19T03:41:54Z")
I should mention, before we get to the last day of the Day, that I might unexpectedly be unavailable during the day on any given weekday (and really hope that this will happen often). I’m currently working as a substitute teacher, and don’t know until the morning of whether I’m going to be working on any given day. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/447 "2014-02-19T03:50:11Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > Would someone voting for **Texcat** tell me: is the case purely about her stance on the Duplicate Clue? Or is there more I’ve missed? I’ll answer. Scathach, Gnarly, and Pleo are voting me because I was voting people who gave their clues away. Scathach makes the most cogent argument below. I have since unvoted those, but continue to think that revealing CLUEs is bad for Town. Pleo disagrees. I do wish Scathach would look at my cases on Septimus and Dizzy. Septimus is voting me because I am aggressive. And who knows what Dizzy was thinking? > [@Scathach](#): > > You know what, \*\* vote Texcat \*\*. > > It was one thing when I thought you were policy voting everyone who revealed a clue, but I don’t follow the reasoning here at all. You directly point out that Chronos’s clue could be helpful to scum, then point out that gnarlycharlie’s clue has no use at all. Then vote gnarlycharlie because his useless clue might be helpful to scum? I really struggle to see how it could possibly be to be honest. > > Then voting me because I said I had a duplicate clue (of one that was already revealed). Which surely can’t fall under the “gives information to scum” because it was information that was already out there? You say it might be a cover role, but frankly not only do I think it would be unlikely for me to blithely reveal the duplicate if I was scum, I actually think it would be unfair of Storyteller to provide cover roles with such an easy way to out them. > > In short, I don’t think your votes make sense or are consistent. And since you’re usually a player that makes clear convincing cases I think that’s scummy. > [@septimus](#): > > I think prior experience of Players is very important. … For example, I suspect **Mahaloth** when he seems Townie, since I always get scum vibes from him when he’s Scum. :smack: > Anyway, for now I’ll follow my policy of delaying any early Lynch of a claimed Power. > > **Unvote: DaphneBlack** > > Texcat is playing much more aggressively than usual. I don’t know if that is a scum tell or a town tell for her, but > **Vote: TexCat** > > My first vote on Idle was a joke/random vote: his character’s gender made him _slightly_ more likely to be Scum than the output of [random.org](http://random.org) would be. But he reacted by flailing wildly, first “forgetting” his gender and then smudging me. > **Vote: Idle Thoughts** > > No one, Scum or Town, would post the very same clue as another already posted _unless it was truly their clue._ This seems so obvious, I’ll be scrutinizing the posts of those who pretend to think otherwise. > [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > Jan, that was an interesting catch… > > Tex, I think that’s the first slip I’ve ever seen of yours… > > **Vote Texcat** > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > if i’m scum, how am i risking helping myself? that makes no sense. > > careful, you might get voted for that. i initially thought that meant you were scum but i realized that doesn’t matter. with a large number of players duplication of clues isn’t implausible. > > …and there it is. so we are both scum? still makes no sense. > > you’re making the same argument as **Texcat**. so we’re both scum. this is using the shotgun approach. why are you minimizing the chances we’re both town? > > did i see someone say that clues may be duplicated? i forget. > > don’t bother. it’s possible scum would do anything no matter how stupid it may seem. :rolleyes: > > **vote Texcat** > **vote Darth Sensitive** > > seems it doesn’t matter to these two whoever is lynched between \*\*Scathach \*\*and me. > [@Pleonast](#): > > No, it’s not. The rules say revealing a clue might not helping the revealer’s team. It very well could help. For example my clue if true, reveals a scum power, which scum would very probably already know about. If it’s false, scum already very likely know it’s not true. > > Simply assuming revealing all clues will hurt us hurts us just as much as assuming revealing all clues will help us. > > **vote TexCat** for discouraging players from revealing any clues at all. I don’t see a pro-town motivation for cutting off a source of information. > > This is bizarre. Whether it’s true or not, evidence is useful. We may not figure out the full picture until later, but hiding the puzzle pieces helps us not at all. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/448 "2014-02-19T04:30:24Z")
Well, Pleo has demonstrated to my satisfaction at least with his conspiracy games that town is far too willing to keep info from itself as a body because _scum_. I don’t mean to argue that we should all throw down on Day 1 but certainly, by mid-game if you’re still holding onto information like this, a player should really consider the odds of it helping town, helping scum, and it potentially already being known by scum. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/449 "2014-02-19T04:37:37Z")
Thanks, **Texcat**. I won’t be voting Texcat today. I don’t agree with her assessment of ClueGate, but that is not an indicator of alignment. That does not look good from **Dizzy**. I’d like to hear an explanation of how she thought **Texcat** had made a slip about scum clues, given her own clue. For now **unvote septimus** – still suspicious, but probably not going to be lynched today. **vote Dizzymrslizzy** for a nonsensical vote (on Texcat), a poorly-reasoned vote (on sinjin), low engagement and just not seeming townie. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/450 "2014-02-19T04:40:19Z")
**Inner** , can you indulge me and clarify why you are voting **Pizza**? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/451 "2014-02-19T04:45:29Z")
I may or may not be around at end of round. Is there going to be a serious push to lynch me today, and if so, do you want my full role claim now? Because, seriously. LOL if so. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/452 "2014-02-19T04:46:30Z")
Daphne you’re online, and I’m pretty much posing that question to you specifically. Either the votes come off or I claim, or you tell me not to. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/453 "2014-02-19T04:46:38Z")
I am keeping my vote on **Astral** for now, because I would still be happy for him to be lynched, especially in favor of co-leader **Texcat**. It looks like **Pizza** , **Pleo** and **Dizzy** are now all tied for second. I won’t be able to be online at EoD to help avoid a tie, so I will try to have a vote on only one of the “top candidates” before I have to leaving tomorrow morning. We should do everything possible to avoid a tie. I am keeping my vote on **Diggit** because I want to see if there are shenanigans going on with the vote-count. I would be happy for his lynch too but it seems unlikely at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/454 "2014-02-19T04:48:33Z")
And I’m still voting for Daphne, apparently. This game is off to a great start. 😃 **Unvote DaphneBlack** Is TexCat voting or unvoting Dizzy? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/455 "2014-02-19T04:51:03Z")
**Vote Pleonast** Oh, I can definitely get behind this lynch. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/456 "2014-02-19T04:51:29Z")
Well, **Pizza** , I’m not voting for you so I can’t directly affect the outcome. I’m not going to push for your lynch today. I think **Astral** and **Dizzy** are both better, viable lynch candidates. If you vote for **Astral** (or Texcat I suppose but see my post above) that would help your own cause. Any reason you won’t? I won’t tell you not to claim. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/457 "2014-02-19T04:52:30Z")
TexCat, Astral, your assistance on killing the Pleonast-y would be appreciated by me. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/458 "2014-02-19T04:54:18Z")
Hmm, I could be convinced to vote for **Pleo**. I haven’t voted for Pleo because I a) can’t read Pleo b) think Pleo’s way of playing Mafia is so diametrically opposite of mine that we aren’t even playing the same game c) always want to lynch Pleo but since I always want to lynch Pleo, I kinda want to lynch Pleo. Harrumph. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/459 "2014-02-19T04:55:23Z")
I was going to ask you if you hadn’t unvoted me for a reason, **Pizza**. Glad it wasn’t some SuperSekrit message I wasn’t getting… unless it was… _sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/460 "2014-02-19T04:59:20Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > Well, **Pizza** , I’m not voting for you so I can’t directly affect the outcome. I’m not going to push for your lynch today. I think **Astral** and **Dizzy** are both better, viable lynch candidates. > > If you vote for **Astral** (or Texcat I suppose but see my post above) that would help your own cause. Any reason you won’t? > > I won’t tell you not to claim. At no point during the round did I find either Astral or TexCat scummy. Voting them now would not be because I thought they were scummy. It may save me but it won’t exonerate me and if the lynch comes around again it won’t save me later. Should they be scum, it will make me look bad, but I’m fine with that. These are the risks we take when we say things like “Astral looks townie to me”. I said that when I had no votes and I said that when I had some votes. To reverse course now would be to disavow my real feelings on the matter just to lynch anyone but myself. That’s not how we win games. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=24)