# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/561 "2014-02-20T03:41:08Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > Anything more than that, I’m not sure I’m following this?? > > **Vote Askthepizzaguy** I think my case against Inner Stickler can be summarized [**thusly**](http://giphy.com/gifs/h1xpl0ei9VQli) ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/562 "2014-02-20T03:58:35Z")
Huh. So, does anybody in this game have an opinion on shoes? Not that either player who I’m directing this to have the slightest clue what I’m referring to… ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/563 "2014-02-20T04:06:45Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Huh. > > So, does anybody in this game have an opinion on shoes? > > Not that either player who I’m directing this to have the slightest clue what I’m referring to… The good doctor was carried away by two men. One is tall. the other is shorter, left handed, and is employed in a laboratory. One set of footfalls are widely spaced. The other is evenly spaced, closer together. Further, on the ground you can see the swirling scrapes made by his left shoe as he twists behind, presumably to see if he is being followed. Left-footed means left-handed. The dark colouring of the scrapes are the leavings of natural rubber, a type of non-conductive soles used by researchers experimenting with electricity. Finally, there can be no argument, the game is afoot! Come, Watson! ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/564 "2014-02-20T04:24:00Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Huh. > > So, does anybody in this game have an opinion on shoes? > > Not that either player who I’m directing this to have the slightest clue what I’m referring to… I have an opinion on shoes. They get you mod killed eventually, or at least that’s the way I recall it. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/565 "2014-02-20T04:28:09Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > I have an opinion on shoes. They get you mod killed eventually, or at least that’s the way I recall it. The first rule about shoes is that you don’t talk about shoes? Besides, **RoOsh** didn’t die. He was just lowered to the level of a peasant by the gods in punishment for his hubris. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/566 "2014-02-20T04:29:25Z")
NETA: To be clear, that last post was a rhetorical question, not an actual question directed to **sinjin**. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/567 "2014-02-20T04:32:43Z")
[vote] Mahaloth AskthePizzaGuy Chronos[/vote] Same reason as before on **Mahaloth** but more so since all he has posted since then is MEH. I can quote it if you want. He is STILL confused by clues and has contributed nothing but his “confusion” about clues. Same on Pizza; spam, spam, spam plus the new metaphysical bs at the end of Day 1. Are you on mushrooms or something or were your last 20+ posts in Day One just some sort of performance art? Chronos, cause I believe Holmes/Daphne. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/568 "2014-02-20T04:34:34Z")
Dammit: \*\*vote: Mahaloth AskthePizzaGuy Chronos \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/569 "2014-02-20T04:40:29Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Same on Pizza; spam, spam, spam plus the new metaphysical bs at the end of Day 1. Are you on mushrooms or something or were your last 20+ posts in Day One just some sort of performance art? All perfectly normal behavior for me. I speak what’s on my mind whether it makes sense to you personally or not. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/570 "2014-02-20T04:53:33Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > You mean Johnny Bravo, right? Surely you remember the lynching of Dizzy? i wasn’t around EOD and i woke up with the reveal. since it was “Dawn” i mistakenly thought they were both NKs. > [@Rysto](#): > > Huh. > > So, does anybody in this game have an opinion on shoes? > > Not that either player who I’m directing this to have the slightest clue what I’m referring to… shoes cause drawn games. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/571 "2014-02-20T04:54:00Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > All perfectly normal behavior for me. I speak what’s on my mind whether it makes sense to you personally or not. 😛 Well good for you. Doesn’t help me at all. Kthanx bye. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/572 "2014-02-20T04:56:54Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Well good for you. Doesn’t help me at all. Kthanx bye. Maybe it’s not all about sinjin. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/573 "2014-02-20T05:19:34Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Maybe it’s not all about sinjin. Right back at ya: Maybe it’s not all about Askthepizzaguy. You’re the one doing performance art in lots’o’posts. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/574 "2014-02-20T05:35:03Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Right back at ya: Maybe it’s not all about Askthepizzaguy. You’re the one doing performance art in lots’o’posts. The difference being, I don’t expect you to change the way you play the game just because I don’t understand where you’re coming from. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/575 "2014-02-20T05:37:00Z")
I got distracted and ending up not reading the thread. I did, however, make a voting chart, which I tend to find helpful. [spoiler]Askthepizzaguy vf Darth Sensitive, 83 Darth Sensitive vf Askthepizzaguy, [del]unvote Askthepizzaguy[/del] 100 Chronos vf Mahaloth, 104 Askthepizzaguy [del]unvote Darth Sensitive,[/del] vf Darth Sensitive, 114 sinjin vf Mahaloth, vf Askthepizzaguy, 149 Askthepizzaguy vf sinjin, 151 wevets vf Inner Stickler, vf Chronos, vf Idle Thoughts, vf Astral Rejection, 177 septimus vf Idle Thoughts, 187 **Johnny Bravo** vf Idle Thoughts, 189 Astral Rejection vf Silver Jan, 190 Askthepizzaguy vf Silver Jan, vf DaphneBlack, [del]unvote Darth Sensitive[/del], 211 DaphneBlack vf Septimus, vf Silver Jan, 220 Astral Rejection vf DaphneBlack, 223 Inner Stickler vf DaphneBlack, 224 DaphneBlack vf Astral Rejection, 225 DiggitCamara vf DaphneBlack, 228 Chronos vf Astral Rejection, vf Askthepizzaguy, 237 Captain Klutz vf Silver Jan, 240 Septimus [del]unvote Idle Thoughts,[/del] vf DaphneBlack, 252 **Johnny Bravo** [del]unvote Idle Thoughts,[/del] 256 TexCat vf Septimus, 258 TexCat vf gnarlycharlie, 260 **Dizzymrslizzy** vf sinjin, 274 TexCat vf Scathach, 285 Scathach vf TexCat, 290 **Johnny Bravo** vf DaphneBlack, vf DiggitCamara, 291 Darth Sensitive vf gnarlycharlie, vf Scathach, 296 Idle Thoughts vf septimus, 303 Astral Rejection [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] 204 DaphneBlack vf DiggitCamara, 308 Silver Jan vf **Dizzymrslizzy,** 309 Septimus [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] vf TexCat, vf Idle Thoughts, 310 **Johnny Bravo** [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] 313 TexCat vf Silver Jan, 316 Silver Jan vf TexCat, 318 DaphneBlack vf Silver Jan, 321 Rysto vf Astral Rejection, 340 **Dizzymrslizzy** vf TexCat, 343 DiggitCamara [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] 353 gnarlycharlie vf TexCat, vf Darth Sensitive, 362 Inner Stickler [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] vf Askthepizzaguy, 364 TexCat [del]unvote gnarlycharlie, unvote Scathach, unvote Silver Jan,[/del] 368 Silver Jan [del]unvote TexCat,[/del] 370 Chronos vf Captain Klutz, vf Pleonast, 371 LightFoot vf Pleonast, vf **Johnny Bravo** , 376 Darth Sensitive [del]unvote Scathach,[/del] 377 Chronos [del]unvote Captain Klutz,[/del] 382 Mahaloth vf Pleonast, 384 Askthepizzaguy vf DiggitCamara, 392 septimus vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 395 gnarlycharlie vf Astral Rejection, 407 Pleonast vf Askthepizzaguy, 415 Pleonast vf TexCat, 431 Darth Sensitive vf Pleonast, 432 Astral Rejection vf LightFoot, 440 Astral Rejection [del]unvote Silver Jan,[/del] 442 DaphneBlack [del]unvote septimus,[/del] vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 449 Askthepizzaguy [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] 454 Askthepizzaguy vf Pleonast, 455 Astral Rejection vf Pleonast, 467 Pleonast vf Chronos, 468 Astral Rejection vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 473 Pleonast vf LightFoot, vf Mahaloth, 474 Askthepizzaguy [del]unvote Pleonast,[/del] 485 DaphneBlack [del]unvote Astral Rejection,[/del] 487 Askthepizzaguy unvote DiggitCamara, vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 490 Darth Sensitive vf **dizzymrslizzy** , Askthepizzaguy, 495 septimus vf Astral Rejection, 496 TexCat vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 506 Captain Klutz vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 512 wevets [del]unvote Idle Thoughts,[/del] 515 Astral Rejection [del]unvote Pleonast,[/del] 516 Johnny Bravo vf LightFoot, 517 Day ends: 528 **Dizzymrslizzy** , vanilla town, was lynched.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/576 "2014-02-20T05:39:31Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > The difference being, I don’t expect you to change the way you play the game just because I don’t understand where you’re coming from. > > 😉 I try to be very clear where I’m coming from. If you don’t understand I will try to clarify. Your game still seems to be all about “PIZZA” ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/577 "2014-02-20T05:48:46Z")
Chart out of the way, now I can address Chronos. I wish Daphne had just said whatever she was going to say, because this is kinda wasted effort if she just outright says he investigated as scum or whatever she’s hinting at, but oh well. > [@Chronos](#): > > You’ll note that I am not voting for **Dizzy** , the current #1. I understand the case on her, but I’d rather wait to see how she accounts for it. If her account is unsatisfactory, or if she goes for long enough without addressing it, I would vote for her. As it is, though, until then I would prefer to lynch **Pleo** , **Astral** , or **Pizza** , so I’m keeping my votes on them. Okay, so I _promise_ this isn’t OMGUS-reasoning blinding me, but this really seems scummy. He understands the vote, agrees it’s scummy enough to vote for, says he’ll vote if dizzy doesn’t account for her absence… and then doesn’t follow through at all. He doesn’t vote for dizzy when she fails to turn up, and then… > [@Chronos](#): > > OK, now that I finally have some time and have caught up again, I don’t yet see anything to cause me to question my D1 votes. All of these, except possibly Mahaloth, are consistent with a Scum push to save their own by lynching Dizzy. > > **Vote Mahaloth > Vote Astral Rejection > Vote Askthepizzaguy > Vote Pleonast** He’s now convinced we’re all (save Mahaloth) scum trying to save our skins by pushing Dizzy. He doesn’t really care which of us is scummier than the others, he’s content to just vote us all. I made the vote chart to clearly indicate one thing: **Captain Klutz, TexCat, and Darth Sensitive are more responsible for any “push” to save us, if we’re all scum collaborators,** and I’d posit that’s way too many scum players trying to save whichever of us is scum (or all of us, as Chronos now thinks). Remember, this is a case _Chronos was fine with before the flip._ He claims we’re responsible for starting the wagon, agrees with the case, and ignores all the people who jumped on and clearly also agreed with us to some degree. I don’t see how this can neatly summed up as “clear scum push.” Poor effort, poor votes, no scum hunting. J’accuse! **Vote Chronos.** Oh, and also, I’m still suspicious of LightFoot. J’accuse! **Vote LightFoot.** Now to address some other odds and ends before bed. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/578 "2014-02-20T05:58:17Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > **vote Idle Thoughts** for taking no stake in the Day One lynch. I’ll remove my vote if they can explain why they believed that none of the five players at risk of being lynched are scum. I’m sad you unvoted this vote, I thought it was a good question. Idle’s first, and last, vote of Day 1 was for Septimus, for OMGUS reasons and because Idle thought Septimus’ vote was weak on top of that. I find it hard to believe nothing else of interest happened enough to warrant a vote from Idle. I’m not as dissuaded as you are, but maybe that’s because I’m his target. > [@wevets](#): > > Didn’t **Dizzy** vote for **sinjin** and **Texcat**? > > She voted for **Texcat** , who was one of the top four potential lynchees, in post [343](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17111295&postcount=343)? > > **Vote Astral Rejection** Yes, she did. I missed it, and that’s my bad. I feel like my overall point remains; substitute almost any other player for TexCat, and I’m right. Regardless, in my post I didn’t substitute another player, and I was wrong. I can’t argue this vote on me. Thanks for not just saying “same as yesterday” for your justification. > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i’ll continue my votes from yesterday. > > […] > \*\*Astral Rejection \*\* Oh. (:D) ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/579 "2014-02-20T06:09:13Z")
I will be more explicit about **Chronos** , soon, but not just yet. **gnarlycharlie** being confused about lynch/NK is weird, but could be an artifact of the unusual lack of the night phase. Raised eyebrow. My view on “shoes”: don’t play risky games with the rules. But if someone has a full-on post restriction, I’d be surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/580 "2014-02-20T06:42:36Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > And it’s _possible_ Mr. Rejection just slipped: > > > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > > > Those, uh, [s] tags should be [del] tags. > > The Scum are probably communicating over at Proboards which uses different tags, including [s]. > > **Vote Astral Rejection** **Septimus** , if knowledge of [s] tags is a scumtell, then you have just exhibited the same scumtell… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=30)