# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/581 "2014-02-20T06:45:49Z")
**Silver Jan** , I [voted for you yesterDay](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17106981&postcount=240) for suggesting that **Pizza** had a scummy motivation, then saying that he was “just being Pizza”. You didn’t respond to this vote at the time. Can you comment on it now? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/582 "2014-02-20T10:59:05Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > **Septimus** , if knowledge of [s] tags is a scumtell, then you have just exhibited the same scumtell… 😕 😕 Until recently, when Quicktopics became popular, ALL private boards in games I’ve played here or at two other sites were conducted at Proboards. I don’t have all the tags memorized but Astral told us that {s} was {del}. When Scum I often preview public posts at the private board. To avoid error, I’d use vB tags when showing the post at the private board, _precisely to avoid a lapse_ like Astral exhibited. I usually click Preview, especially if a post is long. Perhaps Astral didn’t feel a need to do so, because _he’d already previewed at another board_. This is one piece of evidence, not complete proof of Astral’s guilt. At present I’m tempted to vote for the same three I had votes on yesterDay, but will wait until I have time to restudy. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/583 "2014-02-20T12:00:28Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 😕 Until recently, when Quicktopics became popular, ALL private boards in games I’ve played here or at two other sites were conducted at Proboards. I don’t have all the tags memorized but Astral told us that {s} was {del}. > > When Scum I often preview public posts at the private board. To avoid error, I’d use vB tags when showing the post at the private board, _precisely to avoid a lapse_ like Astral exhibited. > > I usually click Preview, especially if a post is long. Perhaps Astral didn’t feel a need to do so, because _he’d already previewed at another board_. > > This is one piece of evidence, not complete proof of Astral’s guilt. At present I’m tempted to vote for the same three I had votes on yesterDay, but will wait until I have time to restudy. Okay, that makes more sense. It sounded like you yourself recognised the [s] tags, which by your arguement would then also incriminate you. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/584 "2014-02-20T13:08:17Z")
I’m vanilla, folks, so no big claim coming and my death would not be earth shattering. If I am looking to die for sure I’ll share my clue, but for now I’ll keep it secret. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/585 "2014-02-20T14:36:59Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I think my case against Inner Stickler can be summarized [**thusly**](http://giphy.com/gifs/h1xpl0ei9VQli) I don’t know how to follow that. Maybe it’s better if I don’t. How about this instead - what do you think of the recent **Astral Rejection** / **Chronos** exchange about a push to lynch **dizzy** either incriminating: (per **Chronos** … **Mahaloth** , **Astral Rejection** , yourself, and **Pleonast** ) Or (per **Astral Rejection** … **Captain Klutz** , **TexCat** , **Darth Sensitive** )? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/586 "2014-02-20T14:39:56Z")
No, you’ve misread me. I don’t necessarily believe those three are scum. I said _by Chronos’ logic,_ they should be under consideration, and it’s telling that he’s ignored them. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/587 "2014-02-20T15:13:51Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 😕 Until recently, when Quicktopics became popular, ALL private boards in games I’ve played here or at two other sites were conducted at Proboards. I don’t have all the tags memorized but Astral told us that {s} was {del}. > > When Scum I often preview public posts at the private board. To avoid error, I’d use vB tags when showing the post at the private board, _precisely to avoid a lapse_ like Astral exhibited. > > I usually click Preview, especially if a post is long. Perhaps Astral didn’t feel a need to do so, because _he’d already previewed at another board_. > > This is one piece of evidence, not complete proof of Astral’s guilt. At present I’m tempted to vote for the same three I had votes on yesterDay, but will wait until I have time to restudy. The masons may or may not have access to outside boards. Just another possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/588 "2014-02-20T15:22:17Z")
This tag thing is a little silly. I’m not scum or a mason. Literally every other board I’m familiar with uses [s] for strike-throughs. It was just a mistake, and really… why would I be composing a _vote count_ on the scum boards? We haven’t played mafia in many months, and I haven’t had a reason to do a strike-through in just about as long. You can decide for yourselves whether this was a slip and I’m lying or not, and vote me accordingly, but the speculation is getting a bit silly. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/589 "2014-02-20T15:24:08Z")
Hah, I used “silly” twice. Ask me how I really feel about this subject! ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/590 "2014-02-20T15:46:50Z")
Yuck, don’t vote people for vBulletin tags. Really? Anyway, **Astral** , I poke you: why is it “wasted effort” to talk about people even if they are later revealed as scum? Is talking about people who are later revealed as scum can not a way to root out scum? My eyes are crossing about the “lists of suspicion” that are being postulated. All I can say is I don’t think it looks particularly bad for **Pizza** , as I think my refusal to push his lynch is mostly responsible for him not being lynched. But I admit to not having a lot of patience for analysing vote charts… **Pizza** : Hypocritical Holmes says, “You gonna explain? Why have you accused **Inner Stickler**?” **Inner** : any thoughts on the lynch yesterday? ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/591 "2014-02-20T15:48:28Z")
Not Edited To Fix: “revealed as scum can not a way” should be “revealed as scum not a way”… ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/592 "2014-02-20T15:57:34Z")
I think dizzy got railroaded and that the case against her was extremely lacking in persuasiveness. I would have said it before but to be honest I wasn’t paying that much attention to people voting for dizzy before it was too late. I’m currently trying to work through why Pleo got bandwagoned and then abandoned and replaced by Dizzy and whether I think one or both wagons were scumfluenced and if so who is a likely scummer in them. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/593 "2014-02-20T16:00:30Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > Yuck, don’t vote people for vBulletin tags. Really? > > Anyway, **Astral** , I poke you: why is it “wasted effort” to talk about people even if they are later revealed as scum? Is talking about people who are later revealed as scum can not a way to root out scum? Well, from a strictly time-management point-of-view, I spent time building a case on him when I could have investigating other leads. From a strategy point of view, what you’re doing works best if you drop the bombshell at the **end** of the day, not at the beginning. If Chronos is scum, his scum buddies have now been tipped off that you know and will not act as they would have. We lost value by you “magic bagging” your knowledge. I’m also open to the possibility that you did NOT investigate/whatever power you have Chronos, and are trying to get someone to incriminate themselves. Also, there’s still the possibility that you aren’t actually Sherlock, and are lying. I would have expected you to be blocked at the very least, assuming scum have a blocker. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/594 "2014-02-20T16:10:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **Pleonast** , I was assuming that, given that Sherlock Holmes is the most famous detective in history, and given that “detective” is the most common power role in the game of Mafia, that the character named “Sherlock Holmes” in this game would be a detective or something very similar. This seemed so obvious to me that, at the time I made the assumption, I didn’t even realize that it was an assumption at all. That said, however, it is possible that the assumption was in error. If it was, then I shall stand most humbly corrected. I certainly am not trying to plot to get **Daphne Black** lynched, as she is currently the most trustworthy person in the game. It’s conceivable that we will eventually lynch her anyway, but not without at least a counterclaim (and then it would depend on who’s doing the counterclaim, and on what evidence the two claimants can present). I suppose your assumption plausible. I don’t pay any heed to color, but some players do. But I don’t like how you initially continued from that assumption to demanding the claimed **Daphne** provide results or face the lynch. We’ve been provided by the moderator that Holmes is town–there’s exactly nothing the claimant need do until counter-claimed. **unvote Chronos** for a plausible explanation. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **Vote: Inner Stickler** > > You die. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > **Vote ATPG** > > It’s tacky to add another townie’s blood to your hands when you haven’t even had time to wash off the blood from the first one you killed. Yes, yes, very nice. Why should any of the rest of care either way? > [@DaphneBlack](#): > > The game is a foot! I am alive! The door is ajar! > > **vote Chronos** Despite being an apparent townie, you still need to give us a reason. Town can often be wrong. Are you simply poking **Chronos** for unspecified suspicious behavior or do you have some actual alignment evidence against them? > [@Chronos](#): > > OK, now that I finally have some time and have caught up again, I don’t yet see anything to cause me to question my D1 votes. All of these, except possibly Mahaloth, are consistent with a Scum push to save their own by lynching Dizzy. > > **Vote Mahaloth > Vote Astral Rejection > Vote Askthepizzaguy > Vote Pleonast** > > This is about as many votes as I want to have in place, so if I see anything more suspect from anyone else, I’ll probably drop one of these. As a reminder, the vote on Mahaloth was for his inconsistent and noncommittal attitude toward the clues; the votes on Pizza and for Astral were for getting the Daphne wagon rolling and jumping aboard it, respectively, without any good justification from either; and the vote on Pleonast was originally for lurking but then changed to be because of his uncharacteristic lack of claim and ignoring of major issues. I was advocating against lynching **lizzy** in favor of lynching **TexCat**. That contradicts your claim that I was pushing for the former’s lynch and that I’d ignored major issues. > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i’ll continue my votes from yesterday. > > \*\*Texcat \*\* > \*\*Astral Rejection \*\* > > i’m not seeing why **Johnny Bravo** would be killed by a vig. could he have killed by a scum with an extra kill who was in danger of being lynched? Is it that hard to summarize what your cases are, or even link to them? It’s presumably the scum’s Day-kill, given that there’s no Night (how do we afford all these gas lamps anyway?). > [@Rysto](#): > > Huh. > > So, does anybody in this game have an opinion on shoes? > > Not that either player who I’m directing this to have the slightest clue what I’m referring to… I doubt it. It’s been a long while since **story** has included post restrictions (I’m thinking Bladerunner). The general consensus is that post restrictions hamper gameplay too much, are typically hard to enforce, and tend to make messes out of games. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I’m sad you unvoted this vote, I thought it was a good question. Idle’s first, and last, vote of Day 1 was for Septimus, for OMGUS reasons and because Idle thought Septimus’ vote was weak on top of that. I find it hard to believe nothing else of interest happened enough to warrant a vote from Idle. I’m not as dissuaded as you are, but maybe that’s because I’m his target. **Idle** fairly well addressed my concerns almost perfectly before I (or anyone else) even posted them. That gives them a lot of townie points, enough to put them well below my vote threshold. That doesn’t erase their poor vote record, but not everyone who does something suspicious is scum. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/595 "2014-02-20T16:13:22Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > Yuck, don’t vote people for vBulletin tags. Really? > > Anyway, **Astral** , I poke you: why is it “wasted effort” to talk about people even if they are later revealed as scum? Is talking about people who are later revealed as scum can not a way to root out scum? At the most basic, it just tends to shut things down. A power role announces something that points to a scum, whether it’s an investigator who got a mafia alignment result or a tracker who saw a player visit the NK or whatever, and the rest of the Day consists of people showing up, voting for the player and leaving. The vote record is useless because it’s unanimous and the day as a whole is rather wasted because no one feels lynch pressure to participate. And your “you know why comment” screams that you have some sort of information like that, whether you meant it to or not. And because you are the closest we have so far to a living confirmed player, comments like that from you are going to, on average, be rated more highly and inspire more action than if someone else made them. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/596 "2014-02-20T16:15:11Z")
That’s a better explanation of what I was getting at with my post, Daphne. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/597 "2014-02-20T18:39:41Z")
I am persuaded. Fair enough. I was perhaps hoping for too much with my approach. I will go in a different direction now. **Chronos** was seen in the vicinity of **Johnny Bravo** last night. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/598 "2014-02-20T18:42:04Z")
Also, **Inner** , Dizzy was kind of railroaded – by me at least. I take responsibility for that. I thought she was the best lynch of the viable candidates at the end of the day, just because of her bad votes. That I was encouraging her lynch should not mean that the bandwagon is not examined. I just think that it is a fairly townie or at least neutral move to follow a trusted player in a lynch, especially in a low-information environment like Day One. Of course, scum know that and can exploit it, too… ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/599 "2014-02-20T18:55:54Z")
**Vote Chronos** DB, I would disagree about the towniness of such a move. I would consider it no better than neutral pretty much regardless of which Day it happens. The appeal to scum is far too great if a townie is in the crosshairs and that’s far more likely this early in the game. I understand that dizzy’s votes weren’t particularly meaningful but to me at least they didn’t taste duplicitous. They felt like someone who didn’t have any particular leads but wanted to contribute and then be done. If dizzy were scum, I’d have expected to see more of a direction in her arguments and votes. While there are scum who can do these tossed off sort of votes in a natural feeling way, I don’t think she is one. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/600 "2014-02-20T19:50:24Z")
OK, I guess it’s time for me to claim. > [@](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are Ryan Cross > > ROLE TYPE: Investigative > ALIGNMENT: Yours (Town) > WIN CONDITION: You win when all of Mine (Scum) have been eliminated. > > Senator Cross – > > We have never met, but I have long followed your uniquely American career from afar. I am DELIGHTED that you have chosen this week in particular to visit our little nation, and genuinely hope you will consider attending a gathering at my home, this Tuesday evening, where I can more FREELY express my appreciation for your own political contributions. > > I expect I will see you there. > > Concentrically, > > M > > POWERS: > > 1. You are a politician; your skills include, what, facing the right camera, ordering sordid assassinations, and possible interfamilial fornication, right? Oh, and I understand that you also have something of a familiarity (second-hand, I’m sure) with electoral corruption… That just might be of some use. On one Day, you may select one person to investigate, and learn the alignment (but not name) of one randomly-selected person who voted for your target. > > * * * > > CLUE: James Moriarty, the Scum leader, can lose his Godfather status under some conditions. I did use my power targeting **Johnny Bravo** , and I learned that someone voting for him is a Townie. Since the only person voting him was **Lightfoot** , that clears her. I chose to use my power right away since information is always useful, and I chose **Johnny** because with only one vote on him, it would remove the randomness of my power. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=31)