# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/621 "2014-02-21T04:15:39Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **Vote: Inner Stickler** > > You die. Why are you voting **IS**? > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I think my case against Inner Stickler can be summarized [**thusly**](http://giphy.com/gifs/h1xpl0ei9VQli) Oh. Ok then. In the same vein as my late vote on you yesterday, you seem awfully quick to throw out a vote with no reasoning behind it. **Vote Askthepizzaguy** In addition, **Vote Chronos** due to his presence at the nightkill without us having another possible culprit. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/622 "2014-02-21T04:53:54Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > as i said i woke up to the reveal, literally. why do you keep beating this dead horse? i already said it was a mistake. what’s your point? do you think i’m stupid? say so if that makes you happy. > > you have two powers? I did not say that I know **Captain Klutz** is town because of my power(s). For the record: **vote gnarlycharlie** His play is not sitting right. I was on the fence yesterday, but his oddness with the reveal (yes, ok, you say it’s a mistake. Seems a strange mistake to make) is making me uncomfortable, and then this post. Not liking it. I’m not too worried about Chronos’ claim of politician, **sinjin** , for the purposes of the voting. I think it’s a false claim. Do you think it is a real claim, just with the alignment changed? And then he also gave us his real clue? I’m not sure what your thought process is here. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/623 "2014-02-21T05:22:48Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > I did not say that I know **Captain Klutz** is town because of my power(s). > > For the record: > **vote gnarlycharlie** > > His play is not sitting right. I was on the fence yesterday, but his oddness with the reveal (yes, ok, you say it’s a mistake. Seems a strange mistake to make) is making me uncomfortable, and then this post. Not liking it. > > I’m not too worried about Chronos’ claim of politician, **sinjin** , for the purposes of the voting. I think it’s a false claim. Do you think it is a real claim, just with the alignment changed? And then he also gave us his real clue? I’m not sure what your thought process is here. I think his false claim has a bit of his real role and powers included in it. That is why I am concerned that he actually has an ability to affect the vote at end of day. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/624 "2014-02-21T05:25:54Z")
And I realize I haven’t unvoted all the folks I voted at start of Day: **unvote all** **vote Chronos** ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/625 "2014-02-21T05:38:07Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > **Chronos** ’ claim reads like a cover role to me. I’m not inclined to hold off the bird in hand at the moment. > > I too am not surprised to find an argument against lynching him. Nor that it is from **Pleo**. > > I’d (still) like to hear from **Pizza** – perhaps he has something relevant to share about Inner and we can be in the enviable position of choosing between two likely scums. Or perhaps he is just being arbitrary and Pizzalike. I think Inner Stickler is not a townie. My reason is what I stated yesterday about the folks who had been voting for me, regarding the utter bull which is voting someone for the tempting reason of hypocrisy. Since no one is reading my posts for comprehension, or even attempting to comprehend when I express myself clearly, I didn’t feel the need to elaborate further, since it’s a waste of my time. Instead, I will be comic relief this game. I shall make my cases with only memes and gifs as my reasoning from now on. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/626 "2014-02-21T05:39:42Z")
I will also poke fun at Darth Sensitive, for if myself and Chronos are the lead candidates, you’ve failed to choose between them and rendered your vote useless. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/627 "2014-02-21T05:40:26Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > I did not say that I know **Captain Klutz** is town because of my power(s). > > For the record: > **vote gnarlycharlie** > > His play is not sitting right. I was on the fence yesterday, but his oddness with the reveal (yes, ok, you say it’s a mistake. Seems a strange mistake to make) is making me uncomfortable, and then this post. Not liking it. > > I’m not too worried about Chronos’ claim of politician, **sinjin** , for the purposes of the voting. I think it’s a false claim. Do you think it is a real claim, just with the alignment changed? And then he also gave us his real clue? I’m not sure what your thought process is here. whatever. so you think it’s scummy? is town or scum likely to make that mistake? what’s wrong with asking if you have two powers? it’s a valid question so get off your high horse, UNCONFIRMED Holmes. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/628 "2014-02-21T05:44:25Z")
If Chronos is a politician, then my vote might actually be necessary. I shall include a meme [**anyway.**](http://img.izismile.com/img/img6/20130517/640/this_funny_meme_wins_every_argument_640_01.jpg) **Vote Chronos** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/629 "2014-02-21T06:41:46Z")
Pizza, come on, plenty of people (myself included) are reading your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/630 "2014-02-21T07:29:32Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > **Silver Jan** , I [voted for you yesterDay](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17106981&postcount=240) for suggesting that **Pizza** had a scummy motivation, then saying that he was “just being Pizza”. > > You didn’t respond to this vote at the time. Can you comment on it now? I just thought he was being himself, I didn’t have an indication of his alignment he could be either Town od scum. I haven’t read to the end yet and I will be missing for a few days cos my friend from England is staying with us at the moment, I haven’t seen her for 2 years but I will be back here on Sunday or Monday at the latest. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/631 "2014-02-21T13:13:09Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > I did not say that I know **Captain Klutz** is town because of my power(s). > > . How do you know, then? I can agree that Chronos may be the strongest option for today. Vote Chronos ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/632 "2014-02-21T13:15:51Z")
\*\* Vote Chronos \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/633 "2014-02-21T13:31:48Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > My reason is what I stated yesterday about the folks who had been voting for me, regarding the utter bull which is voting someone for the tempting reason of hypocrisy. I didn’t vote you Yesterday for hypocrisy, so unclench. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/634 "2014-02-21T14:03:57Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I think Inner Stickler is not a townie. My reason is what I stated yesterday about the folks who had been voting for me, regarding the utter bull which is voting someone for the tempting reason of hypocrisy. > > Since no one is reading my posts for comprehension, or even attempting to comprehend when I express myself clearly, I didn’t feel the need to elaborate further, since it’s a waste of my time. > > Instead, I will be comic relief this game. I shall make my cases with only memes and gifs as my reasoning from now on. **ATPG** , I don’t really get this. I went over all the posts of yours I could find related to **Inner Stickler** , and came up with this: > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I feel good about leaving IS alive for now. His opening posts plus this one indicate to me that he’s engaged in the game and being fairly open about what’s on his mind. That helps players who analyze posts read his intentions. I’d favor leaving him be for now until a better read comes in. I don’t trust the players who hang back and let the discussion happen on its own and aren’t engaged, because I cannot cold read them. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I don’t even understand this one. Until it’s explained to me, I’m going to pretend it’s going to be replaced with some other vote later on. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **Vote: Inner Stickler** > > You die. I’m not seeing a great transition from not really reading **Inner Stickler** to putting together a coherent reason to vote for **Inner Stickler** and you say you explained yourself yesterday, but I don’t think you did. You’re complaining about no one else being able to figure out your **Inner Stickler** vote, but I don’t see where you put much effort into it yourself. You might be trying to get credit for what’s not there, unless there’s some critical post about **Inner Stickler** that I’ve missed. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/635 "2014-02-21T15:51:53Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > I may have missed some unvotes on my napkin count. It seems like to make the lynch contestable, we should hold off on **Chronos** votes unless people weigh in on other cases? The point isn’t to make **Chronos** ’ lynch contested, it’s to make it contested between two players of unknown alignment. A “contest” between an outed scum and anyone else is not a lynch that gains us any information. We either need to 1) back off **Chronos** enough that two or more other players are at risk of being lynched, and wait and see what any power roles may do about them. Or 2) simply lynch **Chronos** and accept that we won’t gain any information from the Day Two lynch. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > We currently have no evidence of a pro-town killer, and until we DO have evidence of such, I don’t believe we should be leaving anything in their theoretical hands. We won’t get evidence of a pro-town killer unless we give them a good target. It’s rare to have mandatory vigilantes lately; I expect any pro-town killer who has an option will wait until there’s a good target. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I strongly believe we need to vote to lynch Chronos, _and then continue playing._ We have a mock lynch for 2nd place, and people still develop cases and cast about suspicions. It won’t have the same impact as a real lynch would have, but it’s something, and I really think Chronos needs to die. Unfortunately, votes that don’t put a player at risk of being lynched are no better than a finger of suspicion. > [@sinjin](#): > > Ok, I think we should lynch \*\*Chronos \*\*today and I think we should have no other votes for anyone else. Theoretically this would make for a lost day, but any day with a dead scum is a good day for town. This is my clue: > > I am afraid that **M**. will not only manipulate the vote if he can, I think \*\*Chronos \*\*might be M. given this tidbit in his claim: I’m not sure why scum manipulating the vote means we shouldn’t vote for anyone else. If scum can completely cancel the lynch, it doesn’t matter. If scum can avoid the lynch and put the next candidate into the noose, we need to have a clear second place candidate to avoid the unknown tiebreaker. If scum can change the vote totals by a few votes, we merely need to keep **Chronos** in an overwhelming lead. I don’t think that’ll be a problem. > [@TexCat](#): > > We may not learn a lot from Today’s voting record, but we will learn for sure whether Chronos is scum or not, and be able to better evaluate his voting record and posts Tomorrow. I think it’s much better to kill a scum, as I am pretty sure that Chronos is, than to shoot in the dark and kill another townie. It’s okay if you don’t want to use the vote record, but many of us do. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/636 "2014-02-21T16:27:28Z")
I think the best scenario would have been to hold off on any revelation on anything about **Chronos** until (at least) Monday. Woulda, coulda, shoulda… Having failed at that, we really do need to **lynch Chronos** (we don’t know what additional powers the Scummeraty have, and if he really is Scum that would reduce their options). There’s an obvious attempt at WIFOM-ing **Lightfoot** (if **Chronos** truly IS scum). And on that note, **Chronos** is most probably scum: it would be far too much coincidence that both Scum and him AND **Daphne** decided to hang around him. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/637 "2014-02-21T16:48:13Z")
For good measure (and better record) I’ll add a **vote for AskThePizzaGuy**. He 1. Is cozying up to known Town (Sherlock aka **Daphne** ) which a.) serves to obscure his own voting record b.) tries to adopt protective coloring 2. Has been increasingly introducing irrelevant noise to the conversation Argument 2 is admittedly a personal dislike, but argument 1 served pretty well to expose scum during my participation in the last game I played. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/638 "2014-02-21T17:17:12Z")
I’m pretty sure it’s too late “to make it contested between two players of unknown alignment.” That ship has sailed. I agree we need a second place candidate, just in case. And I plan on placing a second vote, but it will probably have to wait until the weekend. I don’t think I said that I didn’t want to use the voting record. Whatever happens Today, the voting record is going to be influenced by Daphne’s reveal of Chronos. We might as well get a dead scum out of it. The whole point of using the voting record should be to catch and _kill_ scum. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/639 "2014-02-21T17:47:23Z")
Exactly. The lynch needs to kill town. If we have a vig, they can kill our second-place choice. Honestly, “should we lynch strongly-assumed scum?” shouldn’t even be a question. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/640 "2014-02-21T17:48:27Z")
Typooooo edit: the lynch needs to kill scum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=33)