# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/761 "2014-02-27T22:59:07Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I didn’t think Mahaloth’s post was out of the blue, at all. Okay, thanks for pointing that out…I admit it was weak reasoning. However, to be fair, he also made the second post (below). > [@Mahaloth](#): > > We did have a gambling part of the first game. We could bet sins with people in purgatory. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Ah, ignore that. I was referencing the wrong game. Wow, I am messing up a lot I. This one. :ducks: So it really was a post in the wrong game thread. : p As for whether or not I’ll hold it against him in either game,…probably not, now that I see an actual conversation where it would make sense. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/762 "2014-02-27T23:29:17Z")
I don’t think **Diggit** ’s clue is a total clear, but it is enough to remove him from my priority list for now. On Day One, there were four candidates who all had a good chance of being lynched before I backed the Dizzy horse. **Texcat** – votes for her didn’t seem well-reasoned, but she is the most likely scum from a “scum deflection” standpoint (not convinced yet) **Pizza** – Pizzaish **Astral** – looks more townie now; vote from Chronos looks good for him; still mild eyebrow **Pleo** – not much info; showing limited evidence of interaction with anyone but also limited engagement (IRL issues) Would like to hear your views on the above four, following folks: **wevets** , **Scathach** , **Lightfoot** , \*\*Darth Sensitive \*\* [because I have no read on you and want to hear your voices and examine your shoes and hats for trace evidence…] ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/763 "2014-02-28T01:21:06Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > **Texcat** – votes for her didn’t seem well-reasoned, but she is the most likely scum from a “scum deflection” standpoint (not convinced yet) > **Pizza** – Pizzaish > **Astral** – looks more townie now; vote from Chronos looks good for him; still mild eyebrow > **Pleo** – not much info; showing limited evidence of interaction with anyone but also limited engagement (IRL issues) > > Would like to hear your views on the above four, following folks: **wevets** , **Scathach** , **Lightfoot** , \*\*Darth Sensitive \*\* > [because I have no read on you and want to hear your voices and examine your shoes and hats for trace evidence…] I don’t know if you want my thoughts, but they are: Texcat - defended my just awhile ago when realizing my mispost made sense. Therefore, I suspect texcat for being helpful to me. Pizza - So desperately trying to find scum. So I suspect him, and it would be a great get if we kill him and he’s scum. Astral - No idea Pleo - Pleo is fun to lynch. Remind me, did Pleo make a partical claim on Day One in this game? Scathath, Lightfoot, and Darth sensitive: No idea. I’ll place some votes now just for fun. \*\*Vote texcat Vote Pizza \*\* And for double funsies, **Vote Pleo** ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/764 "2014-02-28T02:22:32Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > Gotta say, **Pizza** , I am _not_ seeing it. You are super-tunnelling on **Inner** and there is just not that much there. > > I personally have no read on **Inner** right now. Would love to hear more of his thoughts. Why did you think **Lightfoot** would be cleared by **Chronos** ’ death? > > Also, **sinjin** ’s “quick” acceptance of me was not so quick, she had believed me on Day One. That doesn’t seem suspicious to me. > > I do agree that **gnarly** ’s reaction to me has been wonky all-the-live-long. I gather that he always gets squirrelly when voted. > > I understand everyone wanted me to spill the deets after I voted Chronos right away. I should have waited a bit. I kind of think that townies might have weighed the possibility that I, as Holmes, had a good reason for waiting… and it seems some did. Others became agitated. > > I also think scums wanted me to spill so they could have a clearer idea of what my powers were. > > **vote gnarlycharlie** > > I do have a result – not on **gnarly**. I will not be revealing it at this time. i only get squirrelly when voted for stupid reasons. 😉 that’s the best reason you have on D3? i obviously wasn’t sly about asking about your powers. you appeared to have two of them. whenever there are results or knowledge claimed it’s far from unusual to question them to see if they are believable. you didn’t even bother to answer my question yesterDay. that’s the problem with players who are practically confirmed as Town. suddenly you believe your correct about your suspicions. pretty irresponsible. in this game, you haven’t been good just lucky. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Meanwhile, I haven’t stopped looking at the others. Gnarly’s reaction to you was one of those which caught my attention. > > It’s hard for me to read gnarly. I can’t recall a time that I’ve ever really \*gotten \*him. If it’s based on this, then it may be a first. if you’re town, you’ll be wrong again. i have gotten you though but then you made it easy that game. until i see better suspects, \*\*Vote Astral Rejection \*\* **Vote Texcat** **Vote Darth Sensitive** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/765 "2014-02-28T03:41:12Z")
Now, I miiiiight be biased, but I find these votes I’m getting a little suspect. These are all of the posts gnarlycharlie has made about me: > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > the third vote tell is not reliable at all. as town, i’ve been the third vote several times and so have many others. (note, this isn’t addressed to me, but DaphneBlack.) > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > > > Having two sets of matching clues thus far suggests to me that the chance of a scum and town player sharing a clue increased dramatically. There’s no way ONLY town got matching clues. > > that’s a dangerous assertion. if i am lynched, would you then lynch **Scáthach** when i flip town? if she and i were both town that would be great for scum. > > **vote Astral Rejection** > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > straw man? nothing of the sort. i didn’t vote you for laying a vote on either if \*\* Scáthach\*\* or me. i did it for assuming one or the other is scum and potentially lynch two townies. if i have misunderstood your post can you restate it then? > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > are you voting everyone who have few posts? if not, why pick on **Pleonast**? he did say he would be away. **DAY 2** > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > ii’ll continue my votes from yesterday. > > \*\*Texcat \*\* > \*\*Astral Rejection \*\* > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > catching up, eh? not like you were gone long. > > i realize you are right. the lack of Night made me think that **Dizzy** was the NK. there goes my theory about the extra kill. > > of course you being right doesn’t make you town. 😉 > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i wasn’t around EOD and i woke up with the reveal. since it was “Dawn” i mistakenly thought they were both NKs. > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > as i said i woke up to the reveal, literally. why do you keep beating this dead horse? i already said it was a mistake. what’s your point? do you think i’m stupid? say so if that makes you happy. **DAY 3** > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > until i see better suspects, > **Vote Astral Rejection** > **Vote Texcat** > **Vote Darth Sensitive** I can’t be the only one who thinks these are the laziest votes in lazingtown, can I? His whole case, near as I can tell based only on his exact words, are that he and I disagree about whether or not a scummer might have gotten a matching clue with a townie. I still think it’s more likely now that we know multiple sets of players have matching clues… so what’s the deal? Next, here are all the posts Idle Thoughts made about me: > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > > > Have you ever explained the point of this whole exercise? > > Here and there. The basic premise of it is: I will never do it if/when I’m scum. So if I’m doing it, you can be sure that I’ll eventually flip Town or neutral Third Party (which I’ve also been before when doing this) > > Of course, since there are times that I’m Town and I don’t do it…so not doing it doesn’t automatically mean I’m scum. > I have been VOTED ON on Day One for not claiming on Day One, before…for that reason alone (by three different people). > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > **Vote Texcat > Vote Astral Rejection** > […] > Secondly, with those two being among the top vote getters yesterDay, it stands to reason that the reason **Dizzy** got more votes is that scum possibly tried to save their own. > […] > Another thing is this: **Pleonast’s** fast moving train of votes that he received seemed (to me, anyway) to build up really fast in a very short amount of time. It stinks of “hurry, let’s get this guy lynched before one of us scum is lynched”…but then, when it started slacking off there in the end, the switch was made to **Dizzy** , who I also thought the votes came fast near the end. > > So it’s for these reasons that I find **AR** and **Texcat** more suspicious than the rest, right now. **Texcat** I already had previous suspicions on. **AR** I do mostly because he was one of them not lynched in lieu of sending a Towns person to their grave, but also because I had very minor suspicious of him yesterDay (small enough not to bother saying anything, but that has now grown due to him having been sparred by the fast moving **Pleo** and **Dizzy** trains). > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Okay, my mistake. I read it wrong. I’m sorry. > But I’m still a little suspicious of you, so…what should I do? Not acting you literally, it’s more of a “What do you want me to say?” type of line. > I mean, I can unvote you and just vote for AR today (as only one player can be lynched a Day anyway (as far as I know))…but you would still remain someone I’m just a bit suspicious of more than everyone else. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Okay. > We can do that. I still think there’s a good chance she could have. You don’t really have a near 4-way tie (you, AR, Pleo, Dizzy) for a lynch and having the one who hangs come out Town without having one of the others be possible scum. I think it’s very likely there is scum somewhere in there, at least one…but I’ll focus on one vote at a time for now. > > **Unvote Texcat** > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > > > I’m sad you unvoted this vote, I thought it was a good question. Idle’s first, and last, vote of Day 1 was for Septimus, for OMGUS reasons and because Idle thought Septimus’ vote was weak on top of that. I find it hard to believe nothing else of interest happened enough to warrant a vote from Idle. I’m not as dissuaded as you are, but maybe that’s because I’m his target. > > I just didn’t find **Dizzy** scummy, if that’s what you’re talking about…hence why I didn’t have a vote on her at the end. > And if you mean why I didn’t have votes on any of the front runners at the end, I wasn’t as suspicious of anyone until toDay (after they were saved from lynching, seemingly), although I was a little more suspicious of **Texcat** yesterday than the rest, I thought **Septimus** ’ reasonings were more shady than the slip **Texcat** had apparently made. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Okay, off of that BS for now: > > **Vote Astral Rejection** > Picking up where I left off yesterday (before we found out about **Chronos** ). Same reasons given as I did yesterday. Because the Day 1 lynch was a bit of a cluster, he’s decided scum MUST have manipulated the lynch, and that one of (or maybe both) TexCat and I must be scum. There’s an obvious hole in his reasoning that maybe it was a mess because _Day 1 is usually a mess,_ and he hasn’t exactly gone out of his way to point to other potential signs of scumminess. There’s no effort here to ever truly reevaluate me in light of whatever might have happened during the day, or actually establish a case beyond “well it must be so.” ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/766 "2014-02-28T04:07:54Z")
A new vote chart, because I find them helpful. [spoiler]Askthepizzaguy vf Darth Sensitive, 83 Darth Sensitive vf Askthepizzaguy, [del]unvote Askthepizzaguy[/del] 100 Chronos vf Mahaloth, 104 Askthepizzaguy [del]unvote Darth Sensitive,[/del] vf Darth Sensitive, 114 sinjin vf Mahaloth, vf Askthepizzaguy, 149 Askthepizzaguy vf sinjin, 151 wevets vf Inner Stickler, vf Chronos, vf Idle Thoughts, vf Astral Rejection, 177 septimus vf Idle Thoughts, 187 **Johnny Bravo** vf Idle Thoughts, 189 Astral Rejection vf Silver Jan, 190 Askthepizzaguy vf Silver Jan, vf DaphneBlack, [del]unvote Darth Sensitive[/del], 211 DaphneBlack vf Septimus, vf Silver Jan, 220 Astral Rejection vf DaphneBlack, 223 Inner Stickler vf DaphneBlack, 224 DaphneBlack vf Astral Rejection, 225 DiggitCamara vf DaphneBlack, 228 Chronos vf Astral Rejection, vf Askthepizzaguy, 237 Captain Klutz vf Silver Jan, 240 Septimus [del]unvote Idle Thoughts,[/del] vf DaphneBlack, 252 **Johnny Bravo** [del]unvote Idle Thoughts,[/del] 256 TexCat vf Septimus, 258 TexCat vf gnarlycharlie, 260 **Dizzymrslizzy** vf sinjin, 274 TexCat vf Scathach, 285 Scathach vf TexCat, 290 **Johnny Bravo** vf DaphneBlack, vf DiggitCamara, 291 Darth Sensitive vf gnarlycharlie, vf Scathach, 296 Idle Thoughts vf septimus, 303 Astral Rejection [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] 204 DaphneBlack vf DiggitCamara, 308 Silver Jan vf **Dizzymrslizzy,** 309 Septimus [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] vf TexCat, vf Idle Thoughts, 310 **Johnny Bravo** [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] 313 TexCat vf Silver Jan, 316 Silver Jan vf TexCat, 318 DaphneBlack vf Silver Jan, 321 Rysto vf Astral Rejection, 340 **Dizzymrslizzy** vf TexCat, 343 DiggitCamara [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] 353 gnarlycharlie vf TexCat, vf Darth Sensitive, 362 Inner Stickler [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] vf Askthepizzaguy, 364 TexCat [del]unvote gnarlycharlie, unvote Scathach, unvote Silver Jan,[/del] 368 Silver Jan [del]unvote TexCat,[/del] 370 Chronos vf Captain Klutz, vf Pleonast, 371 LightFoot vf Pleonast, vf **Johnny Bravo** , 376 Darth Sensitive [del]unvote Scathach,[/del] 377 Chronos [del]unvote Captain Klutz,[/del] 382 Mahaloth vf Pleonast, 384 Askthepizzaguy vf DiggitCamara, 392 septimus vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 395 gnarlycharlie vf Astral Rejection, 407 Pleonast vf Askthepizzaguy, 415 Pleonast vf TexCat, 431 Darth Sensitive vf Pleonast, 432 Astral Rejection vf LightFoot, 440 Astral Rejection [del]unvote Silver Jan,[/del] 442 DaphneBlack [del]unvote septimus,[/del] vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 449 Askthepizzaguy [del]unvote DaphneBlack,[/del] 454 Askthepizzaguy vf Pleonast, 455 Astral Rejection vf Pleonast, 467 Pleonast vf Chronos, 468 Astral Rejection vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 473 Pleonast vf LightFoot, vf Mahaloth, 474 Askthepizzaguy [del]unvote Pleonast,[/del] 485 DaphneBlack [del]unvote Astral Rejection,[/del] 487 Askthepizzaguy unvote DiggitCamara, vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 490 Darth Sensitive vf **dizzymrslizzy** , Askthepizzaguy, 495 septimus vf Astral Rejection, 496 TexCat vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 506 Captain Klutz vf **Dizzymrslizzy** , 512 wevets [del]unvote Idle Thoughts,[/del] 515 Astral Rejection [del]unvote Pleonast,[/del] 516 Johnny Bravo vf LightFoot, 517 Day 1 ends, Day 2 Starts: 528 **Dizzymrslizzy** , vanilla town, was lynched. Johnny Bravo, town Mason, was killed. **DAY 2** Idle Thoughts vf TexCat, vf Astral Rejection, 532 Pleonast vf DiggitCamara, vf Idle Thoughts, vf TexCat, vf Chronos, [del]unvote Idle Thoughts,[/del] 535 Mahaloth [del]unvote Pleonast, 538[/del] **(Please note this is from the previous day)** Askthepizzaguy vf Inner Stickler, 540 Inner Stickler vf Askthepizzaguy, 541 Idle Thoughts [del]unvote TexCat[/del], 545 DaphneBlack vf Chronos, 547 Chronos vf Mahaloth, vf Astral Rejection, vf Askthepizzaguy, vf Pleonast, 550 wevets vf Askthepizzaguy, 552 wevets vf Astral Rejection, 554 gnarlycharlie vf TexCat, vf Astral Rejection, 555 sinjin vf Mahaloth, vf Askthepizzaguy, vf Chronos, 568 Astral Rejection vf Chronos, vf LightFoot, 577 Pleonast unvote Chronos, 594 Inner Stickler vf Chronos, 599 TexCat vf Chronos, 602 Pleonast vf Chronos, 605 Astral Rejection [del]unvote LightFoot[/del], 613 Darth Sensitive vf Askthepizzaguy, vf Chronos, 621 DaphneBlack vf gnarlycharlie, 622 sinjin [del]unvote Mahaloth, unvote Askthepizzaguy, unvote Chronos,[/del] vf Chronos, 624 Askthepizzaguy vf Chronos, 628 Mahaloth vf Chronos, 632 DiggitCamara vf Chronos, 636 DiggitCamara vf Askthepizzaguy, 637 Idle Thoughts vf Chronos, 648 LightFoot vf Chronos, 652 septimus vf Chronos, 659 TexCat vf Mahaloth, 663 wevets vf Chronos, unvote Askthepizzaguy, unvote Astral Rejection, 666 Captain Klutz vf Chronos, 667 gnarlycharlie vf Chronos, 668 Silver Jan vf Chronos, 683 Day 2 ends, Day 3 starts: 710 Chronos, Scum Godfather, was lynched. Captain Klutz, town Mason/Doctor, was killed. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/767 "2014-02-28T05:25:31Z")
**gnarlycharlie** , I did eventually answer how I knew about Captain Klutz. Are you referring to something else? You were pretty intent on asserting I was unconfirmed, which was not all that reasonable a position to take at the time you were doing so. It was, and is, suspicious to me. I think your “Record” as such is indeed votable on day three, or I wouldn’t be voting you. The “scum were trying to save Texcat” doesn’t strike me as particularly great right now, but I could still be convinced. Otherwise, what else is “votable” that’s going on right now? I don’t disagree that I’ve been lucky, but I’m not sure how you are particularly in a position to know that. I’ve made mistakes, and I’ve acknowledged them. I don’t think my reasoning skills are better than anyone else, but I’ve not seen any particularly cogent reasoning from anyone else either. Other people, when they start talking more, start seeming less scummy. You seem more scummy the more you are talking. And very defensive, given how little traction the votes on you are getting. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/768 "2014-02-28T05:28:25Z")
Eh. you are unconfirmed though. Probabilitywise, the odds are that you have been telling the truth, but true confirmation is only found in death. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/769 "2014-02-28T05:52:51Z")
Yeah, fine. I don’t think anyone could look at my play, and the circumstances surrounding it, and think that it’s worthwhile to be suspicious of me though. And even unconfirmed, there’s no reason to be eager for me to make my power(s) clear. If a claimed Holmes votes for someone and doesn’t say why, doesn’t it make sense to give them the benefit of the doubt for a little while? That’s all I hoped for. Maybe I shouldn’t have. My confirmation of Klutz, similarly, I’m not sure why it was so important to know exactly why I knew it at that moment. I decided not to fight it, but I kind of regret it now still. It’s hardly an open and shut case on gnarly, I freely admit. I am more than happy to find or listen to a better case, if one’s out there. I’m talking too much about myself. I don’t like to monopolize the conversation if I can help it. I’d love to find cases in talking about someone else, but the one other case right now seems to be Texcat. Right now, gnarly is scummier to me than Texcat. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/770 "2014-02-28T06:30:02Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > There’s an obvious hole in his reasoning that maybe it was a mess because _Day 1 is usually a mess,_ and he hasn’t exactly gone out of his way to point to other potential signs of scumminess. There’s no effort here to ever truly reevaluate me in light of whatever might have happened during the day, or actually establish a case beyond “well it must be so.” I don’t think it must be so, I just think you are one of the best choices for a vote, that’s all. I’m more suspicious of you and **Texcat** than anyone else currently…so, what would you have me do? Not vote for the players I find most suspicious? Again, there’s a good chance scum was saved from lynch due to **Dizzy** (and **Pleo)** getting high numbers of votes in a short order. Since you and **Tex** were the only other leaders then, it looks good to me. Vote for me back if you wish. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/771 "2014-02-28T06:53:54Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I don’t think it must be so, I just think you are one of the best choices for a vote, that’s all. > I’m more suspicious of you and **Texcat** than anyone else currently…so, what would you have me do? Not vote for the players I find most suspicious? Argghh, I hate when people do this. No, I’m not telling you to _not_ vote for whoever you find most suspicious, and you know I’m not. For the sake of this subsequent explanation, put aside for a moment your suspicions of me and get yourself in the mindset of “Astral is 100% grade-A town.” Also, pretend you’re me. Maybe shoulda mentioned that part first. From my townie perspective, look at your vote on me. It doesn’t look like you have any suspicions of me specifically besides your supposition that scum must have been trying to save someone. You don’t ever lay out what makes me the best choice, or present additional evidence for my scummitude; you’ve just decided I’m the scum and that’s it. You haven’t laid the groundwork for your decision that I’m scum, _from my perspective._ Absolutely vote for whoever most pings you. If that’s me, fine. But when I criticize your choice of vote, it’s crazy to suggest that my argument boils down to "don’t vote for players you find suspicious " ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/772 "2014-02-28T08:44:19Z")
**Idle** : any reason you have for dismissing **Pleo** as scum? ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/773 "2014-02-28T17:11:07Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > **Texcat** – votes for her didn’t seem well-reasoned, but she is the most likely scum from a “scum deflection” standpoint (not convinced yet) > **Pizza** – Pizzaish > **Astral** – looks more townie now; vote from Chronos looks good for him; still mild eyebrow > **Pleo** – not much info; showing limited evidence of interaction with anyone but also limited engagement (IRL issues) > > Would like to hear your views on the above four, following folks: **wevets** , **Scathach** , **Lightfoot** , \*\*Darth Sensitive \*\* > [because I have no read on you and want to hear your voices and examine your shoes and hats for trace evidence…] Just wanted to confirm that I’ve seen this - I’ll spend more time looking at those four later, but I’m bearish on **pizza** and **Astral** now, I don’t think they’re likely to be scum with **Chronos** given the vote record and the back-and-forth between them. Of **TexCat** and **Pleo** , I’m suspicious, but neither have said anything that really makes me more bullish and want to buy into a lynch of one of them yet. If I had to choose, I’d say **TexCat** is the more likely of the two to be scum, since it’s relatively easy for scum to pick someone they would know isn’t scum, and defend them, to be vindicated later. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/774 "2014-02-28T17:35:14Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > Just wanted to confirm that I’ve seen this - I’ll spend more time looking at those four later, but I’m bearish on **pizza** and **Astral** now, I don’t think they’re likely to be scum with **Chronos** given the vote record and the back-and-forth between them. Of **TexCat** and **Pleo** , I’m suspicious, but neither have said anything that really makes me more bullish and want to buy into a lynch of one of them yet. If I had to choose, I’d say **TexCat** is the more likely of the two to be scum, since it’s relatively easy for scum to pick someone they would know isn’t scum, and defend them, to be vindicated later. What? Have I done this? I don’t think so. I have said that a few arguments did not make sense, like Idle saying that Mahaloth’s gambling remark came out of the blue. That was not so much defending Mahaloth, because I did vote him Yesterday based on his volunteering to be lynched, but more of pointing out where Idle was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/775 "2014-02-28T18:40:00Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > What? Have I done this? I don’t think so. I have said that a few arguments did not make sense, like Idle saying that Mahaloth’s gambling remark came out of the blue. That was not so much defending Mahaloth, because I did vote him Yesterday based on his volunteering to be lynched, but more of pointing out where Idle was wrong. I was quite ready to vote for **Idle** when he made that ridiculous post about **Mahaloth** , I knew exactly where \*\*Maha \*\*was coming from, it looked as if **Idle** had just read **Maha’s** posts without the surrounding context. It looked like scum trying to make a case out of fresh air but I see **Idle** has changed his mind and admitted he was wrong. I had such a feeling about **Idle** being Town but now the doubts have crept in. I also have doubts about **Texcat \*\* being Town, I voted for her on D1 and then changed my mind after** Dizzy\*\* thought I had a good catch, I was so convinced that\*\* Dizzy\*\* was scum, apparently forgetting her own clue but maybe I did have a good catch? **Vote Texcat** Just putting my money where my mouth is. Pizza’s posts just go over my head sometimes, I think I know what he’s on about and then he twists things around and I am left stranded again, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is scum. He likes confusing Town and posting so much that Town doesn’t know whether they are coming or going. **Vote AskThePizzaGuy** If you don’t like my vote **Pizza** then you should be more forthright and stop trying to confuse your Townie Team with reams of confusing text. You are playing as if you and you alone can find scum and this does not sit well with me, been conned too many times by your arrogance. (still loves ya pizza) ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/776 "2014-02-28T19:31:59Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > My first thought was, uh-oh, another false clue from scum, trying to look townie. But on second look, I am inclined to believe this one. Surely if Diggit were scum, he would have posted this clue yesterday rather than today. This post pinged me as **Texcat** being scum, Diggitt looks very Townie at the moment, if he was scum, why bother to even post this after the fact, I think Texcat is trying to look townie. My first thought was uh-oh we have a definite false clue here. So all Town has is ONE false clue so far, the one that Chronos posted just doesn’t count, he could have made that one up. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/777 "2014-02-28T19:36:50Z")
Diggit could have made his up also. I guess I see the whole thing as being WIFOMy. I don’t know whether diggit is a townie posting it after the fact when it makes sense or a scum canny enough to play the long game. From an informational perspective, the clue doesn’t tell scum anything they wouldn’t have already known. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/778 "2014-02-28T19:51:03Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Diggit could have made his up also. I guess I see the whole thing as being WIFOMy. I don’t know whether diggit is a townie posting it after the fact when it makes sense or a scum canny enough to play the long game. From an informational perspective, the clue doesn’t tell scum anything they wouldn’t have already known. You are right but I don’t see scum motivation behind it. Scum are not stupid, they have a team behind them reading everything before they post. In this game I always look for scum motivation as opposed to scum wouldn’t do that, it has served me well. Scum do what will best serve them and being a bit odd at times might serve their cause well, mostly not. Why bring a light onto a post? No no no, they want to hide in the shadows and watch Town fail. Diggitt is defo on my Town team at the moment. Texcat, on the other hand, is sneaky and underhand as scum, she has no problem getting rid of her scum mates (sorry Texcat, nowt personal). ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/779 "2014-02-28T22:08:03Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > **Idle** : any reason you have for dismissing **Pleo** as scum? I answered this on the day I voted for **Tex** and **AR** and NOT **Pleo** , but here it is again: Because the **Pleo** train of votes that he got on that day seemed to form just as fast and awkward as the earlier **Dizzy** one did. It really looked (to me, anyway) like one side was scrambling to get him voted ASAP in order to save someone else. The votes on **AR** and **Tex** , on the other hand, built up slowly, over time. It was only after those two were in danger of being lynched did **Pleonast** suddenly get a huge amount of votes in a very, very small amount of time. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/780 "2014-02-28T23:14:23Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I answered this on the day I voted for **Tex** and **AR** and NOT **Pleo** , but here it is again: > Because the **Pleo** train of votes that he got on that day seemed to form just as fast and awkward as the earlier **Dizzy** one did. It really looked (to me, anyway) like one side was scrambling to get him voted ASAP in order to save someone else. > > The votes on **AR** and **Tex** , on the other hand, built up slowly, over time. It was only after those two were in danger of being lynched did **Pleonast** suddenly get a huge amount of votes in a very, very small amount of time. But you are totally ignoring the reasoning for the votes. The votes on Pleo were for non-participation, so of course they would come late in the day: > [@Chronos](#): > > And I thought at first that **Pleonast** hadn’t checked in at all, which is a problem for the mod, not for us. But he did actually [check in](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17098789#post17098789), so he knows the game has started, but hasn’t posted since then. Now, **Pleonast** is another player (like **Idle** who tends to claim immediately, which (as mentioned) is problematic for a Scum. Maybe he decided that the way to avoid claiming was just to not post? > > I’m going to > **Vote Captain Klutz > Vote Pleonast** > for their lack of participation. > [@LightFoot](#): > > I get tangled up quoting on this board and since I’ve missed 8 pages I am just going to reference post numbers as I catch up > I have some things for you but first > \*\* Vote: Pleo \*\* > I didn’t realize he was even in the game until it was mentioned by Chronos- and as I have always found his habit of claiming early ( no matter the role) very annoying- the absence of that action screams suspect to me. And if you think that scum was voting for Pleo to save me or Astral, why aren’t you going after the Pleo voters? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=40)