# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/781 "2014-03-01T03:10:01Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > But you are totally ignoring the reasoning for the votes. The votes on Pleo were for non-participation, so of course they would come late in the day: > And if you think that scum was voting for Pleo to save me or Astral, why aren’t you going after the Pleo voters? Uh… 1. Sounds like an easy reason to vote for someone “I want to save scum, so I’ll vote for this person and just say it’s because of non-participation”. 1. **POINT IN FACT, ONE OF THEM WAS CHRONOS USING THAT REASON.** So it looks like my reasoning behind voting people who did that and for point number 1 (above) is correct. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/782 "2014-03-01T03:12:02Z")
Seriously… **Chronos** being one of the ones on that fast moving train, using the “Oh, I’m just innocently voting for them because they’re inactive!” reason…makes it look ALL THE MORE like **Pleo** is Town and those that he ( **Chronos** ) helped save from lynch are scum ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/783 "2014-03-01T03:30:55Z")
You don’t find it more likely a scum godfather would want to avoid attention by being one of the voters responsible for lynching town? At the risk of a “scum wouldn’t do that!” rebuttal, Godfathers work best when they do everything in their power to avoid coming under scrutiny. If he had flipped any other type of scum, I’d be a little more sympathetic to your ideas. Besides, as I’ve pointed out before, this is all post-hoc reasoning from you, and you’re not doing the necessary scum-hunting to truly decide why we’re scum beyond this single event. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/784 "2014-03-01T06:07:26Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > I don’t think **Diggit** ’s clue is a total clear, but it is enough to remove him from my priority list for now. > > On Day One, there were four candidates who all had a good chance of being lynched before I backed the Dizzy horse. > > **Texcat** – votes for her didn’t seem well-reasoned, but she is the most likely scum from a “scum deflection” standpoint (not convinced yet) > **Pizza** – Pizzaish > **Astral** – looks more townie now; vote from Chronos looks good for him; still mild eyebrow > **Pleo** – not much info; showing limited evidence of interaction with anyone but also limited engagement (IRL issues) > > Would like to hear your views on the above four, following folks: **wevets** , **Scathach** , **Lightfoot** , \*\*Darth Sensitive \*\* > [because I have no read on you and want to hear your voices and examine your shoes and hats for trace evidence…] I didn’t get the votes on \*\*TexCat \*\*on day one at all. As I said at the time, they were pretty crappy votes that weren’t worth following along with. But it was the leading lynch at the time the out of nowhere bandwagon on \*\*pleo \*\*hit very hard and fast, as lead by the godfather. Pizza makes very little sense. He follows your lead on D1, then is late to the chronos train which is also following you, but is now blasting those who voted chronos soon after your vote - even though he spent the start of today patting himself on the back for ‘knowing’ that chronos was scum all along, even though he was unwilling to actually, you know, vote for him until there was concern about him being a politician that could swing the lynch. Additionally, see what I’ve said about him on the pleo thought. I’m not giving any extra credence to astral right now with an early vote from the godfather, but it certainly doesn’t hurt him. But he hasn’t done anything to change my perception of him from slightly selfish VT I said day 1 (though I do agree with whoever it was that said it’s not all bad, what with knowing you’re town and not knowing the other guy is town - I do it too). I still look askance at pleonast for repeating a clue. However, the fact that he got hit with three LtL votes that put him in danger of dying, the first of which came from scum (an incredibly easy to defend vote that wouldn’t get him in hot water later) makes him look much better. I would guess there’s another scum in those who voted him (lightfoot, mahaloth, myself, pizza [who encouraged further bandwagoning before unvoting when it became clear that you were in favor of killing dizzy], astral). \*\*Vote Texcat Vote ATPG\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/785 "2014-03-01T06:11:39Z")
> [@Darth\_Sensitive](#): > > I’m not giving any extra credence to astral right now with an early vote from the godfather, but it certainly doesn’t hurt him. But he hasn’t done anything to change my perception of him from slightly selfish VT I said day 1 (though I do agree with whoever it was that said it’s not all bad, what with knowing you’re town and not knowing the other guy is town - I do it too). That was me who said that. So I’m selfish, AND you agree with me for why I did it? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/786 "2014-03-01T06:18:00Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > That was me who said that. So I’m selfish, AND you agree with me for why I did it? Basically, yeah. I know that I’ve made “anyone but me” votes in the past because I know I’m town and I don’t know about _that guy_. I don’t like it in the abstract, because it opens up the chance of lynching someone more valuable than me - but it feels right every time it isn’t actually abstract. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/787 "2014-03-01T22:40:10Z")
So sorry everyone! I was on a business trip which I anticipated as being much less time consuming than it turned out to be. I’m just back home now and about to crash and sleep for about 10 hours. If someone could hit me up with a link to the day/night posts I’ve missed I’ll start catching up again tomorrow. Again sorry - non participants are the worst for the game, I know, it wasn’t intentional. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/788 "2014-03-02T02:14:21Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Eh. you are unconfirmed though. Probabilitywise, the odds are that you have been telling the truth, but true confirmation is only found in death. Uh, Dude, she outed the Godfather. Ya think that was a “good” scum play. **vote Inner Stickler** ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/789 "2014-03-02T02:33:47Z")
Sorry for my limited participation the past couple of days. We have been training for and starting our volunteer job in socal. First work day today, w00t! Now off til Wed. I am trying to put Astral’s vote record in a more workable form. @ **Pizza** : are you just pulling my chain? Voting me for believing Dahpne’s reveal yesterday? Really? You are still OMGUS’ing from yesterDay? That’s the best you can do? You are not helping town by this ridiculous logic. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/790 "2014-03-02T03:11:37Z")
[OOG]my participation might drop off severely. my father is ill and his condition worsened today. [/OOG] ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/791 "2014-03-02T05:58:03Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > [OOG]my participation might drop off severely. my father is ill and his condition worsened today. [/OOG] I’m sorry to hear that, I hope he gets better. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/792 "2014-03-02T18:05:30Z")
Just out of curiosity, did anyone read [this post I made here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17148887&postcount=765)? I think those are bad votes, made for lazy reasons, and I’d like for somebody to at least say “No Astral, you’re just wrong” if you disagree. It makes me sad that no one saw fit to comment on my words. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/793 "2014-03-02T18:07:43Z")
Upon further rereading: > [@TexCat](#): > > My first thought was, uh-oh, another false clue from scum, trying to look townie. But on second look, I am inclined to believe this one. Surely if Diggit were scum, he would have posted this clue yesterday rather than today. Why would **Diggit** have assumed that **chronos** was the godfather and posted said clue yesterday? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/794 "2014-03-02T18:13:08Z")
**Vote Count** Texcat (6): septimus, Idle Thoughts, Mahaloth, gnarlycharlie, Silver Jan, Darth Sensitive Askthepizzaguy (4): Inner Stickler, Mahaloth, Silver Jan, Darth Sensitive gnarlycharlie (2): Askthepizzaguy, DaphneBlack Astral Rejection (2): Idle Thoughts, gnarlycharlie Idle Thoughts (1): septimus septimus (1): Idle Thoughts Pleonast (1): Mahaloth Darth Sensitive (1): gnarlycharlie Inner Stickler (1): sinjin ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/795 "2014-03-02T18:39:59Z")
Just for fun, I’m going to go full-bore defense on TexCat, because the votes she’s getting are awful, and because the votes she’s getting are in spirit the same votes I’m getting. TexCat, you better not be scum, or this will not look good for me. 😃 > [@septimus](#): > > Chronos voted Astral making him a leader. That could be a clever scum deflection, but I’m going with Ocdjob’s Razor: > > **Vote Texcat** Are you voting based on the “scum must have been trying to save TexCat or AR” rationale? If TexCat flips town, will you be considering voting for me next? > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > And **Vote Texcat** again. Just to be totally clear, are you voting based on the “scum must have been trying to save TexCat or AR” rationale? If TexCat flips town, will you be convinced I must be scum? > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > until i see better suspects, > > **Vote Astral Rejection** > **Vote Texcat** Just to be totally clear, are you voting based on the “scum must have been trying to save TexCat or AR” rationale? If TexCat flips town, will you be convinced I must be scum? > [@Darth\_Sensitive](#): > > I didn’t get the votes on \*\*TexCat \*\*on day one at all. As I said at the time, they were pretty crappy votes that weren’t worth following along with. But it was the leading lynch at the time the out of nowhere bandwagon on \*\*pleo \*\*hit very hard and fast, as lead by the godfather. > > […] > > **Vote Texcat** At the risk of sounding like a broken record (hah! too late!), are you voting based on the “scum must have been trying to save TexCat or AR” rationale? If TexCat flips town, will you switch your focus to me, even though in this post I’m quoting you say I seem like vanilla town? You also seem hesitant to fully support your own case; how strongly do you feel about TexCat’s lynch? > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Texcat - defended my just awhile ago when realizing my mispost made sense. Therefore, I suspect texcat for being helpful to me. This doesn’t seem like the strongest suspicion. Are you comfortable with lynching TexCat over this? > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I also have doubts about **Texcat \*\* being Town, I voted for her on D1 and then changed my mind after** Dizzy\*\* thought I had a good catch, I was so convinced that\*\* Dizzy\*\* was scum, apparently forgetting her own clue but maybe I did have a good catch? > > **Vote Texcat** > > Just putting my money where my mouth is. This also doesn’t feel like the strongest suspicion. Are you comfortable with lynching TexCat over this? * * * I can’t be the only one who sees that TexCat’s lynch is a weak, weak lynch, and most of voters don’t seem too terribly committed to their votes. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/796 "2014-03-02T18:40:00Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Uh, Dude, she outed the Godfather. Ya think that was a “good” scum play. > > vote Inner Stickler What’s a scum’s wet dream? To be considered town. What’s a great way to make town think you’re on their side? Deliver them a powerful scum all dressed for the lynch. The hit to the scum team is worth it if you can get a scum into the end game reeking of townie. I don’t think Daphne is scum. But I don’t trust anything but the flip and I get cranky when unconfirmeds try to make the rest of us treat them like unconfirmeds. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/797 "2014-03-02T18:41:54Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > What’s a scum’s wet dream? To be considered town. What’s a great way to make town think you’re on their side? Deliver them a powerful scum all dressed for the lynch. The hit to the scum team is worth it if you can get a scum into the end game reeking of townie. > > I don’t think Daphne is scum. But I don’t trust anything but the flip and I get cranky when unconfirmeds try to make the rest of us treat them like unconfirmeds. No, this makes zero sense. DaphneBlack has claimed Sherlock Holmes. There is exactly one town-aligned character who is mod-confirmed to be town-aligned, and that is Sherlock Holmes. Explain to me why you think scum would have a player who is DESTINED TO BE COUNTER-CLAIMED expose their godfather? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/798 "2014-03-02T18:42:14Z")
> [@Darth\_Sensitive](#): > > Why would **Diggit** have assumed that **chronos** was the godfather and posted said clue yesterday? I’d have to review the discussion but I’m pretty sure at least one person commented that they thought Chronos’ cover role seemed a bit godfathery. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/799 "2014-03-02T18:44:01Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > No, this makes zero sense. DaphneBlack has claimed Sherlock Holmes. There is exactly one town-aligned character who is mod-confirmed to be town-aligned, and that is Sherlock Holmes. Explain to me why you think scum would have a player who is DESTINED TO BE COUNTER-CLAIMED expose their godfather? I don’t know. I was not gifted with knowledge of the setup. Have you missed the 4 or 5 times where I said I don’t think DB is lying? That still doesn’t make her confirmed. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/800 "2014-03-02T22:47:54Z")
**Astral** , I agree with you that these votes for **Texcat** are unconvincing. I also don’t love the votes on you. I am going to go back and look at this “in real time” and see if anything pops out at me. What do you think of **Pizza**? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=41)