# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/941 "2014-03-07T04:51:16Z")
Gah, sorry I have not been around, our new volunteer job has been way more fun and way more involving then expected. Not to mention the grandkid being with us lots. I spent the last Day looking at the day one voting and came up with nothing. (Actually I was first thinking that Silver Jan’s case the first and the rest were saving her, but she never had more than 4 votes) Not so sure what is up with the name claim thing and am not sure it is a good thing. I think scum can learn more from names than town. What exactly is the benefit to town? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/942 "2014-03-07T05:30:21Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Not so sure what is up with the name claim thing and am not sure it is a good thing. I think scum can learn more from names than town. What exactly is the benefit to town? I agree (even though I revealed my name on Day one). I’m not for the idea and if **Daphne** didn’t already claim an extremely important role, I’d be more suspicious of her. In fact, even despite claiming Sherlock, I can’t help but garner some suspicion over thinking a mass name claim is a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/943 "2014-03-07T05:33:58Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Not so sure what is up with the name claim thing and am not sure it is a good thing. I think scum can learn more from names than town. What exactly is the benefit to town? Gives a name detective something to check against, potential for helping someone with a clue like ATPG’s or Rysto’s, easy thing to do to spark discussion, and it’s Day 4 - that sweet spot between keeping information away from scums and risking losing the chance to share it at all is passing. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/944 "2014-03-07T05:49:07Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > To add to it: Yes, he did vote for **Texcat** (and was fingered by **Tex** later in the Day yesterDay—heh “Fingered”), but he was also voting on the **Pizza** bandwagon, which smells to me like another possible “Scum was trying to save **Texcat** ” ploy. Idle - If I was scum and trying to save TexCat, I would have unvoted her after she claimed an investigative role (or just not put a vote on her in the first place and concentrated all of my attention on pizza). I could have put a vote on astral that would have put him closer to the lynch and possibly into the tiebreak if I was trying to save TexCat. Instead, I kept a vote on her and didn’t do anything to make the probability of the [random.org](http://random.org) tiebreak getting those who I though were lynch worthy less likely. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I think what makes MORE sense than “she looked at my clue” is “She got JB’s clue and didn’t count on anyone else **ON TOWNS SIDE** having the same clue”…so she thought she could get away with changing it. > Because if it was the first (her somehow reading MY clue), then why would she reveal it like she did? She’d know there would be the risk of me saying something. > > I think it was an instance of her not thinking there was any risk of being called out as a liar/with holder of info. As someone who’s been pretty skeptical of duplicate clues, all game, feeling that one may belong to scum, one to town, it’s also possible that it was her scum clue all along (modified or not). And wouldn’t have been expecting a duplicate clue to trip her up. The second thing that I thought of was that she knew it was a clue in the possession of a live player when she posted it - she stole it from you and put it in JB’s mouth. You said scum knowing your clue would be helpful, and you set yourself up for that. Maybe she thought she could slip by with the modified clue due to the uncertainties of clues that may be false. Third: she knew it was your clue, because she read it on the scum board. She posted it late as part of a fake claim in an attempt to save herself. When that didn’t get her enough unvotes to take her out of lynch contention, you came in with the disagreement and called her out on the anti-town nature of the comment in an organized attempt to make something positive out of her pending lynch - getting you nice golden townie cred for getting a scum power role killed. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/945 "2014-03-07T06:16:51Z")
Our dead: **Chronos - James Moriarty: godfather (canon character - antagonist) TexCat - Irene Adler: backup godfather (canon character - antagonist) Johnny Bravo - Mary Watson: mason (canon character - protagonist) Captain Klutz - John Watson: mason/doctor (canon character - protagonist)** Dizzymrslizzy - Michael Westcott: vanilla town (non canon character) Silver Jan - Harry Macklemore: vanilla town (non canon character) Our other name claims: Daphne Black - Sherlock Holmes: town watcher (?) (canon character - protagonist) Idle Thoughts - Estelle Anderson: ???claimed VT??? (non canon character [but funnily enough, googling _Estelle Anderson sherlock_ has this board high on the hits]) Astral Rejection - Taryn Sharp : ??? (non canon character) Inner Stickler - Holly Lang : ??? (non canon character) Mahaloth - Liam Harrison : ??? (non canon character) It looks to me like the name claims will end up being a way to soft claim power/non-power roles. If your name can’t be traced back to a Sherlock Holmes character, you seem to be VT (2.5 data points), while if you’re an Arthur Conan Doyle character, you aren’t VT (2 scum data points, 2.5 town data points). As such, name claims look like they’re shrinking the pool of unknowns that scum can hunt power roles from, while only the fear of a name detective keeps a scum from making up a name that ACD wouldn’t have used and hiding in the pool of probable VT. Additionally, we know of clues that mention players by role name. I don’t think that a mass name reveal makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/946 "2014-03-07T17:38:23Z")
I wouldn’t be too worried about that. I’m a non-canon character (Taryn Sharp seems connected to a place called “Sherlock’s Baker St. Pub & Grill” in real life), but I’m not vanilla town anymore. I have a one-time use power that activates after Day 3. I plan to use it tonight, becoming vanilla again, but “canon name” is not, at least in my case, an accurate way to determine powers. Plus, that would be mass-claim-breaking. I doubt Storyteller would divide powers that way. I’m semi-claiming now because I think it’s valuable for town to know that one-shot powers really do exist for town players, and because scum now maybe need to consider killing me. I have too much suspicion on me to be a legitimate scum target. I do town a disservice by leaving my fate up for a lynch. I’d much rather scum waste a night kill on me. (I know I’m not currently even close to being lynched, but hopefully this spurs conversation, and conversation is good stuff). So, scummers! I have a one-shot power, how exciting! Is it a protection? An investigation? A lovely watch, perhaps? Something more… _esoteric_? Maybe I’m immune to night kill, how droll! Am I lying, and saving this power for later? Such intrigue! Also, I’m down with the name claim because I’d _love_ to know who Brian Donner is. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/947 "2014-03-07T17:40:18Z")
Taaaaags! /shakes fist ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/948 "2014-03-07T19:37:03Z")
Astral, can you tell us what your power is? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/949 "2014-03-07T19:41:01Z")
You are certainly making some interesting choices this Day. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/950 "2014-03-07T19:52:20Z")
I love choices. 🙂 And no, Mahaloth, I have no interest in disclosing my power until after I’ve used it. Doing so would really defeat the purpose. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/951 "2014-03-07T20:02:38Z")
**Astral** , I am _very_ interested in you being very interested in who Brian Donner is. Please say more on this. And: to the nameclaim skeptics – **Inner** above summarized my thinking almost perfectly (943). I am not worried about increased suspicion on me. I think it is very possible that a name claim will reveal things that are useful to town. And I find it very unlikely that Story has made it easy to solve the game from a name claim – anyone who puts forward that idea gets a very serious Raised Eyebrow from me. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/952 "2014-03-07T20:07:41Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > You are certainly making some interesting choices this Day. Who? Me? Thanks! Or did you mean Pizza? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/953 "2014-03-07T20:10:58Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > **Astral** , I am _very_ interested in you being very interested in who Brian Donner is. I assume sans evidence that he has information relating to a Brian Donner. Still waiting, Mahaloth. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/954 "2014-03-07T20:14:34Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > And I find it very unlikely that Story has made it easy to solve the game from a name claim – anyone who puts forward that idea gets a very serious Raised Eyebrow from me. Yes, I agree with this. We’ve all played enough games that I don’t believe anyone truly thinks a name claim would solve the game for us. Suggesting so smells like scum trying to appear pro-town by being “cautious.” ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2014, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/955 "2014-03-08T01:39:08Z")
Inner, you are mentioned in my clue. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2014, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/956 "2014-03-08T01:41:39Z")
**Mahaloth** , care to share with the class? **Astral** , is Brian Donner mentioned in your clue? **Lightfoot** , you said your clue is irrelevant until names are claimed. Do you have an opinion on whether a name claim is a good idea based on this? ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2014, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/957 "2014-03-08T01:45:26Z")
**Darth** , you also said that your clue was only relevant if there’s a name claim. Do you not see the value in getting this information on the table now, or have you changed your mind about your clue’s likely truth? ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2014, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/958 "2014-03-08T02:42:06Z")
> [@Darth\_Sensitive](#): > > Idle Thoughts - Estelle Anderson: ???claimed VT??? (non canon character [but funnily enough, googling _Estelle Anderson sherlock_ has this board high on the hits]) A while ago I posted that Mignon Estelle Anderson was an actress who played the part of Mrs. Watson. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2014, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/959 "2014-03-08T02:42:57Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > **Mahaloth** , care to share with the class? > > **Astral** , is Brian Donner mentioned in your clue? > > **Lightfoot** , you said your clue is irrelevant until names are claimed. Do you have an opinion on whether a name claim is a good idea based on this? I have been been no help- time has not been my friend- [QUOTE=storyteller0910] **Welcome to the game; you are Langdale Pike** [deleted] ALIGNMENT: **Yours** (Town) WIN CONDITION: You win when all of Mine (Scum) have been eliminated. \*Mr. Pike – I’ve been reading your columns with great interest; your opinions on the personal lives of second-tier celebrities are truly the most fascinating and important contributions to world culture since Howdy Doody. I’d like to invite you to a small gathering at my home, this Tuesday night. There we can discuss secret sexual affairs and drug usage, and there’s virtually no chance that I will decide to shoot you in the face. Looking forward to our meeting! Yours Mostly Truly, M\* ## [deleted] CLUE: There is a role in this game with a recognizable name from a different literary canon; this character is Town-aligned but powerless. [/QUOTE] The way I see it this is a non clue- if true then a named character not of this story line is Town and vanilla—if false a not of this story line name is Scum ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2014, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/960 "2014-03-08T02:51:18Z")
Hmm. Interesting paradox with the **Pizza** clue. So what do you think? Is a nameclaim a good idea? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=49)