# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1041 "2014-03-11T20:59:11Z")
So… what was the one word TexCat changed? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1042 "2014-03-11T21:05:42Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > can anyone summarize the case on **Idle**? also what was his claim? There isn’t one. **Septimus’** reason for voting for me can be traced [back to this pos](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17104591&postcount=187)t…which is basically: **We were told someone with a female name is scum. Idle has a female name, so he must be scum.** …and he’s been voting for me ever since. Strong, strong case he has there, eh? And as far as I can tell, **Astral** just thinks it’d would be a clever scum ploy if it turned out **Texcat** and I were working together…which, is right, it would be… …if it were true, which it’s not, so there goes his whole case. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1043 "2014-03-11T21:10:22Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > So… what was the one word TexCat changed? Your own logic is this: If you’re scum, you already know, don’t you? So I don’t need to tell you. And if you’re Town, you don’t need to know because it doesn’t doesn’t 1. Benefit Town or 2. Tell Town anything new anyway. It only benefits scum to know. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1044 "2014-03-11T21:11:15Z")
I think a more careful read of my post will reveal that I thought your case was too aggressive, too much, and with an obvious hole that doesn’t make sense to me. It’s pretty weird that you would sum that up as “Astral just thinks it’s a scum ploy for who knows why.” ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1045 "2014-03-11T21:12:48Z")
Well, scum already know because unless you missed it, texcat was scum. Withholding information from town when scum already know it is tacky at best. Remember how we have to work together as a team? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1046 "2014-03-11T21:13:20Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Your own logic is this: If you’re scum, you already know, don’t you? So I don’t need to tell you. > > And if you’re Town, you don’t need to know because it doesn’t doesn’t 1. Benefit Town or 2. Tell Town anything new anyway. It only benefits scum to know. There is no reason information known to the scum team and one town player should not be shared with the town as a whole, especially when town knows the clue minus one word anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1047 "2014-03-11T21:14:39Z")
Look, I see what you’re saying. Your point is “If scum Texcat already knew what the real clue said, the scum already know and there’s no reason not to tell Town what it says too”. But I’m not revealing the whole/real clue just on the small chance that **Texcat** really DIDN’T know what the full clue said. Got it? So you go on and vote for me all you like because of that, if you want. I think you’re scum too, anyway, _ **so I’d expect you to want to VERIFY what the real clue said.** _ ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1048 "2014-03-11T21:16:17Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Well, scum already know because unless you missed it, texcat was scum. Withholding information from town when scum already know it is tacky at best. Remember how we have to work together as a team? Fine, vote for me for it. **THE CLUE IS DYING WITH ME. Period.** I think **Astral** is scum and just wants me to verify the clue **Texcat** has is/was correct. Sorry, not going to do what scum wants me to do. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1049 "2014-03-11T21:18:47Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I think **Astral** is scum and just wants me to verify the clue **Texcat** has is/was correct. Either this or Texcat’s clue really DID say what she got and now scum is putting the pressure on me to reveal what the real info says. Sorry, scum, that’s not happening. You’re just going to have to lynch/kill me. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1050 "2014-03-11T21:28:37Z")
Jesus f’ng christ. Turn the drama knob down a few notches. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1051 "2014-03-11T21:29:32Z")
**Idle** , I don’t understand why the one word Texcat changed could be so important that it is worth withholding at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1052 "2014-03-11T21:30:37Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I think **Astral** is scum and just wants me to verify the clue **Texcat** has is/was correct. > > Sorry, not going to do what scum wants me to do. I just don’t buy this. Assuming I’m scum and have clue “A.” TexCat posts clue “A minus/substituted/whatever one word.” You’re jumping up and down saying “No! One word is missing/wrong/whatever!” We have a pretty good clue that our “clue A” is correct, then. Damage done. Me prying into you to verify it really doesn’t make much sense from a scum point of view. But maybe since I’m biased (I know I’m not scum), there’s no point in personally debating this back and forth with you in a chorus of “you’re scum, no YOU’RE scum!” back-and-forths. I’ve laid out my thoughts, as have you, so people can vote as they like. Instead, what’s your favorite kind of pizza? I’m pretty partial to saint Louis style. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1053 "2014-03-11T21:31:45Z")
Because SCUM, Daphne! Because **scuuuuuum**! I fully expect at this point that at the end of the game we’ll see that it was the same clue and the missing word is completely irrelevant to the meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1054 "2014-03-11T21:32:30Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Because SCUM, Daphne! Because **scuuuuuum**! > > I fully expect at this point that at the end of the game we’ll see that it was the same clue and the missing word is completely irrelevant to the meaning. Doubtful. Idle Thoughts claimed on Day 3 that whatever this missing word is, it’s very beneficial to scum. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1055 "2014-03-11T21:34:43Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I just don’t buy this. Assuming I’m scum and have clue “A.” TexCat posts clue “A minus/substituted/whatever one word.” You’re jumping up and down saying “No! One word is missing/wrong/whatever!” > > We have a pretty good clue that our “clue A” is correct, then. Damage done. Me prying into you to verify it really doesn’t make much sense from a scum point of view. > > But maybe since I’m biased (I know I’m not scum), there’s no point in personally debating this back and forth with you in a chorus of “you’re scum, no YOU’RE scum!” back-and-forths. I’ve laid out my thoughts, as have you, so people can vote as they like. > > Instead, what’s your favorite kind of pizza? I’m pretty partial to saint Louis style. Blah blah blah blah blah… Bottom line: If/When I’m lynched and (when) I flip Town, you’re going to look scummy for having pressured me to reveal the clue… …which is good, since I think you’re scum. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1056 "2014-03-11T21:38:19Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Doubtful. Idle Thoughts claimed on Day 3 that whatever this missing word is, it’s very beneficial to scum. I realize that. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1057 "2014-03-11T21:43:50Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Blah blah blah blah blah… I had an actual point in there. I don’t see how if scum knowingly posted an amended clue, and you pointed out that you knew it was amended, why they would need to then verify that your off-by-one-word clue is the same as their off-by-one-word clue. Since this whole mess depends on clues that only scum and you have, AND because I thought your big reveal against TexCat was too aggressive and strange, I think it’s more likely you both know the clue because you’re both scum. You could then try to milk townie points for decisively nailing TexCat (after her lynch was pretty much assured, no less), and then coast into the endgame. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1058 "2014-03-11T21:52:53Z")
_headdesk_ ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1059 "2014-03-12T00:51:21Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > There isn’t one. > **Septimus’** reason for voting for me can be traced [back to this pos](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17104591&postcount=187)t…which is basically: > **We were told someone with a female name is scum. Idle has a female name, so he must be scum.** > > …and he’s been voting for me ever since. > > Strong, strong case he has there, eh? Smudge much? A main purpose of Day-1 random votes is to get a reaction. We got one from you in spades, and _that’s_ why I voted you: > [@septimus](#): > > My first vote on Idle was a joke/random vote: his character’s gender made him _slightly_ more likely to be Scum than the output of [random.org](http://random.org) would be. But he reacted by flailing wildly, first “forgetting” his gender and then smudging me. > **Vote: Idle Thoughts** Your votes of me, OTOH, have been OMGUS, OMGUS and OMGUS. ToDay, I wasn’t voting you at all until Astral made his case. I’d still prefer to Lynch Pleo or Darth, but your continued flailing and prevarication doesn’t make you look Townie. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1060 "2014-03-12T01:45:02Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I’m not particularly interested in being lynched this early in the game (where would be the fun in that?), so can I propose we take a look at some other targets? LightFoot, for instance, would make an excellent lynch target. > > At only 6 votes, LightFoot is one of our least-prolific players, and I wouldn’t say she’s used her posts to their greatest scum-hunting potential. [After checking in](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17110772#post17110772), she makes another “[I’m still here post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17113287#post17113287)” encouraging us to “back off” DaphneBlack after her claim. She also asks a question of Pizza. > > [LightFoot’s first substantial post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17114184&postcount=376) targets pleo and Johnny B. She votes for Pleo based on his lack of a claim, and not due to anything he’s actually said in-game. She then asks a few questions of people, and throws a one-off vote for Johnny B for posts & tone. > > [Her next post also deals with responding to Johnny B](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17114521&postcount=383), and while I could be misreading this post, it seems like she’s somewhat downgraded her suspicion of him. > > [Her final post so far](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17114804&postcount=386) addresses some odds and ends, and does no further scum hunting. > > I find it interesting that in catching up, LightFoot didn’t see fit to weigh in on me, Askthepizzaguy, Pleonast, Septimus, Silver Jan, or nearly any of the other vote leaders. Her vote for Pleonast includes literally no other rational beyond his lack of a claim, and doesn’t tie into any of the other extant cases on him. She mentions Texcat only in passing to say “I am suspect of Texcat – can’t quite put my finger on it- but D1 wagons generally net Town players so I will stay out of that mix,” which seems a bit of a smudge on those voting for TexCat. LightFoot really had to go out of her way to say “Yeah, I think she’s scummy, but I’m sure not going to vote for her.” > > **Vote LightFoot.** - fair enough \* I could say it was D1- I had nadda As to responding- I didn’t really have an opinion on the candidates other than what I stated With my lifestyle change ( I can’t even live in my own house at this time) I have been – MEH- about trying to wrap around this game- \* or anyother as may have been noted- \* I had suspicions but no sandwich It was a mistake for me to try to play on this board again as I can’t keep tabs on the state of play from Day to Day when I attempt to catch up- vote counts are lost to me and while I am at it- since I am in 2 games with many of the same players I have scrambled eggs for suspicions— I have 2 days off work so I shall attempt to put my eggs in one pan I am certainly not a key player participation wise in this game ( or any other ) I did share my clue when the game wrapped around to that being a good idea – in my mind ( and I noticed) I shall attempt to find the cases on the vote leaders and have some sock of an opinion before this cycle ends if I can- at this point I would be voting gut- [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=54)