# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1061 "2014-03-12T02:23:00Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > First things first, **sinjin:** > > You’re voting for Inner Stickler, whom Mahaloth is voting for, and both are potentially serious lynch candidates. In Days 1 or 2, I’d give this a pass. Today, no dice. Do you suspect them as both being scum, and further suspect scum Mahaloth is trying to establish townie cred by voting for scum Inner? If not, how do you justify voting for both? By Day 4, I personally need better justification for a vote like this. At the very least, can you tell me which you’d prefer? > > And while we’re on the subject of your voting history, it bothers me that you made the fourth vote of the game (for Mahaloth and Askthepizzaguy) in post 149, and didn’t see fit to cast another vote the rest of the first Day. In Day 2, you made another earlyish vote for a trio of people, and then unvoted in favor of Chronos later. In Day 3, you cast a one-off for Inner Stickler, who was under no serious lynch pressure, and then didn’t cast a vote for any of our lynch leaders again. > > I took a quick read through your posting history in this game, and while you’ve given a plausible explanation for your absence (training, which I hope is going well!), you don’t do much of any scum hunting in Days 2, 3, or 4. You seriously question Pizza and Idle on subsequent days, but don’t renew your vote on pizza or cast a first for Idle, which pings me. > > At this point, you deserve a vote. > > **Vote sinjin.** > > * * * > > **LightFoot** also troubles me. I had [a solid case](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17118495&postcount=440) on her on Day 1, which as far as I know she has never responded to or even acknowledged. Johnny Bravo agreed with the case, and cast the final vote of the Day for her. While a Day 1 scum kill could happen for any particular reason, It’s not a total stretch to posit a scum team wanting to clear suspicion on her by killing one town suspector (is that a word?) and hoping to lead a lynch of the other (me). Coupled with his hint that his clue was a good one, and I could see that being enough for a scum decision for a Day 1 kill. > > Normally, I wouldn’t need to go back to a Day 1 case and scum kill to illustrate scumminess, but LightFoot hasn’t done much of else of note all game. She cast a vote for Chronos (like we all did)… and disappeared. I find that suspicious as well. > > **Vote LightFoot.** > > Does anybody have a credible guess for why Silver Jan might have been targetted, by the way? > > * * * > > Do you just accept that I’m town as claimed? This kind of bothers me. I could be lying, you know; only scum would accept without reservation my claim, since they would know I have no reason to lie. It also bothers me that it didn’t occur to you to question Mahaloth until I prodded you into it. If this was your real identity (and not, say, a cover role you’ve barely considered), I would have expected you to already think your way through the implications of your clue. > > **Vote Darth Sensitive.** Yes I am considering that both Inner and Mahaloth are scum. They are the two who felt scummiest to me when I voted. I voted them both before and their actions/words since have not convinced me they are not scummy. Is your problem with me only that I am not sucking the pixels out of the thread like you and Pizza are? ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1062 "2014-03-12T03:19:09Z")
I am not sure that anyone has more than 4 votes at the moment. But I am not sure what the vote count actually is, either… I’m comfortable lynching **Darth** or **septimus** still so I will not unvote them. I might be willing to lynch Mahaloth [or even **Inner**] but I think they might be better choices for next Day. I won’t vote for **Pizza** or **Astral** today. I don’t think **sinjin** or **Idle** are likely scum. If **Rysto** , **wevets** and **Scathach** don’t post, I will be voting them toMorrow for sure. I continue to think that town would be better served if people were more open with information at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1063 "2014-03-12T03:21:50Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Smudge much? A main purpose of Day-1 random votes is to get a reaction. **We got one from you in spades** , and _that’s_ why I voted you: > . No, you didn’t. Feel free to show me where it is or consider this post by you to be pure bullshit, done by things that happened only in your own head. I mean, if it happened, it will be easy to link to. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1064 "2014-03-12T03:23:43Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Your votes of me, OTOH, have been OMGUS, OMGUS and OMGUS. My votes on you have been because your votes are either false (see the post above—you didn’t get any “reaction in spades”) or weak (“There is a female scum in the game and Idle must be it because he’s female”). Those are shitty or stupid reasons…more than enough to vote for someone, as they are anti-town. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1065 "2014-03-12T03:26:23Z")
Daphne: > [@Darth\_Sensitive](#): > > Do you have a character name for **septimus**? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1066 "2014-03-12T04:05:43Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > My votes on you have been because your votes are either false (see the post above—you didn’t get any “reaction in spades”) or weak (“There is a female scum in the game and Idle must be it because he’s female”). > Those are shitty or stupid reasons…more than enough to vote for someone, as they are anti-town. Normally I’d ignore gibberish like this but, judging by the past, you’ll natter on and on about it until I respond. The Day 1 vote for being a woman was a joke/random vote. Here, let me explain this is in your style: **It was a joke/random vote.** _**You posted no less than six (6) responses to the joke/random vote**_, for example > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > More and more I’m thinking you’re a terrible player. Because if you really ARE Town, your reasonings here suck (and are also extremely weak–almost to the point where they don’t make any sense at all). > > What’s this “‘Forgetting’ my gender” BS? Do you seriously think I would try to sell the fact that my GAME ROLE IS NOT FEMALE? :rolleyes: …\* > Secondly, smudging you? Damn right. Because your initial reasoning for voting for me was basically: Oh, someone’s clue (which may be false) says a female in the game is scum. Idle has a female name, so he MUST BE SCUM! > > I even asked you “You DO know there’s probably more than one female character in the group right?” > > So I ask you again. Seriously…what’s the answer? > You know there’s probably more than one female character right? Yes or no? > Because if “yes”…then I don’t see how my being female is any more relevant to my being scum than anyone else who is female. We all have the same chance of being scum. Most players would consider it a null thing, therefore, at the very start… but not **septimus** , because he doesn’t care about silly things like that. If there’s a female scum in the game then it **MUST BE THE ONLY FEMALE WHO HAS CLAIMED SO FAR!!!** This is how his mind works. > Sorry, but if you’re going to have that weak of a reason and then IGNORE my question to you (twice, by the way. I asked you TWICE “Do you really think there’s only one female in the game?” and you ignored it both times, so I’m betting you’re going to continue to ignore it because you don’t have a good answer for it) then, yes, I’m going to vote for you. The fact that you’re crying that I’m smudging you over something that can easily be seen as scummy behavior tells me you’re probably protesting too much. Either that or you really forgot what sort of things people look for when playing this game. > And don’t bother giving me that “Ohhh, I was just HALF JOKING” before…if you were only joking, you would have voted. You can’t get away with “Haa, haa, I’m being funny and half joking” when you put a REAL vote on someone and keep it there, because that’s going to make the votee go “Huh? :dubious:” rather than “Ohh, haha, that’s a good one! 😃 You got me, man.” > > I think you had weak reasonings before, got called out on it, and are now on tilt thinking “Oh, I gotta show him I’m really serious about this now” and are messing up even MORE (if you’re Town) or trying to compensate for your previous weak reasonings (due to being scum). If six posts is not enough to consider a “reaction in spades”, how many does it take? 13? 😉 Hope this helps. And if you missed my response to your complaint about my joke vote: Yes, I still think there’s probably more than one female in the game. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1067 "2014-03-12T04:29:07Z")
**Vote: Rysto Scathach wevets** ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1068 "2014-03-12T04:36:00Z")
I find it very helpful to see vote counts collected over the course of the Day, to better understand how votes were changing over time. Here’s what I’ve found. For the most part I’ve just taken vote counts that either the mod or various players posted. In a couple of critical instances I’ve manually reconstructed a vote count. \*\*Day 1 [Post 294](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17110476&postcount=294) (Daphne’s Claim) \*\* DaphneBlack - 6 votes - Askthepizzaguy (211), Astral Rejection (223), Inner Stickler (224), DiggitCamara (228), septimus (252), Johnny Bravo (291) Silver Jan - 4 votes - Astral Rejection (190), Askthepizzaguy (211), DaphneBlack (220), Captain Klutz (240) Astral Rejection - 3 votes - wevets (177), DaphneBlack (225), Chronos (237) Mahaloth - 2 votes - Chronos (104), sinjin (149) Askthepizzaguy - 2 votes - sinjin (149), Chronos (237) Idle Thoughts - 2 votes - wevets (177), Johnny Bravo (189) sinjin - 2 vote - Askthepizzaguy (151), dizzymrslizzy (274) Inner Stickler - 1 vote - wevets (177) Chronos - 1 vote - wevets (177) septimus - 2 vote - Daphne Black (220), TexCat (258) gnarlycharlie - 1 vote - TexCat (260) Scathach - 1 vote - TexCat (285) TexCat - 1 vote - Scathach (290) DiggitCamara - 1 vote - Johnny Bravo (291) I don’t think that there’s much to learn from this vote count. No known scum are in the remotest danger at this point. There’s a nice lynch train on Daphne and the #2 candidate is town. I mostly post it so that we can see how the votes shifted in respond to the claim. **Day 1 [Post 363](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17112619&postcount=363)** Texcat - 5 votes - Scathach (290), septimus (310), Silver Jan (318), dizzymrslizzy (343), gnarlycharlie (362) Silver Jan - 4 votes - Astral Rejection (190), Askthepizzaguy (211), Captain Klutz (240), Texcat (316) Astral Rejection - 4 votes - wevets (177), Daphne Black (225), Chronos (237), Rysto (340) septimus - 3 votes - DaphneBlack (220), Texcat (258), Idle Thoughts (303) Mahaloth - 2 votes - Chronos (104), sinjin (149) Askthepizzaguy - 2 votes - sinjin (149), Chronos (237) sinjin - 2 votes - Askthepizzaguy (151), Dizzymrslizzy (274) Idle Thoughts - 2 votes - wevets (177), septimus (310) DaphneBlack - 2 votes - Askthpizzaguy (211), Inner Stickler (224) gnarlycharlie - 2 votes - Texcat (260), Darth Sensitive (296) scathach - 2 votes - Texcat (285), Darth Sensitive (296) Inner Stickler - 1 vote - wevets (177) Chronos - 1 vote - wevets (177) dizzymrslizzy - 1 vote - Silver Jan (309) Darth Sensitive - 1 vote - gnarlycharlie (362) DiggitCamara - 2 votes - Johnny Bravo (291), DaphneBlack (308) Now things get interesting. TexCat jumps into the lead. In response to a claim of Sherlock Holmes (assuming it is true, of course, which is definitely looks to be now) I would expect a sudden shift in the vote count. This would be a very dangerous time for scum to place a vote on scum, as the town is likely to be looking for a new bandwagon to jump on. I therefore give a bit of town cred to septimus and especially gnarlycharlie. Scathach’s vote came before the claim, which would have been a very safe time for a one-off vote on scum, so I count this as neutral. Texcat chose to go after Silver Jan in post 316 instead of Astral when they were tied. A Chronos was already on Astral I count this as neutral. If Astral is town you can explain that as scum don’t want to be too obviously voting together, and the net effect is the same. If Astral is scum the motivation for a Silver Jan vote is obvious. **Day 1 [Post 475](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17119022&postcount=475)** Pleonast (6) - Chronos, LightFoot, Mahaloth, Darth Sensitive, Askthepizzaguy, Astral Rejection Astral Rejection (5) - wevets, Daphne Black, Chronos, Rysto, gnarlycharlie Texcat (5) - Scathach, septimus, dizzymrslizzy, gnarlycharlie, Pleonast Askthepizzaguy (4) - sinjin, Chronos, Inner Stickler, Pleonast dizzymrslizzy (4) - Silver Jan, Septimus, [del]TexCat[/del], DaphneBlack, Astral Rejection DiggitCamara (3) - DaphneBlack, Johnny Bravo, Askthepizzaguy Mahaloth (3) - Chronos, sinjin, Pleonast septimus (2) - Texcat, Idle Thoughts Silver Jan (2) - Askthepizzaguy, Captain Klutz Idle Thoughts (2) - wevets, septimus sinjin (2) – Askthepizzaguy, Dizzymrslizzy Chronos (2) - wevets, Pleonast LightFoot (2) - Astral Rejection, Pleonast Darth Sensitive (1) – gnarlycharlie gnarlycharlie (1) - Darth Sensitive Inner Stickler (1) - wevets Johnny Bravo (1) - Lightfoot (Note: TexCat’s vote for dizzy is striked out because it was not properly formatted and thus not official) Pleonast roars into first. Previously I didn’t think that Chronos’ vote here was interesting, but it came after TexCat went into danger and it was his only vote. If a scum is in danger I find it less likely that scum would place a one-off on scum in that situation rather than a vote for town. Pleo also gets on the TexCat bandwagon. Another townie point for Pleonast. pizza’s and Astral’s votes for Pleonast here warrant close attention. These were critical votes that pushed Pleo over Texcat – I’ll try to come back to them later. TexCat’s botched vote is mostly interesting for who she **didn’t** vote for: the other leading wagons in Pleo, Astral and pizza. **Day 1 [Post 510](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17119461&postcount=510)** dizzymrslizzy (7) - Silver Jan, Septimus, DaphneBlack, Astral Rejection, Askthepizzaguy, Darth Sensitive, Texcat Pleonast (5) - Chronos, LightFoot, Mahaloth, Darth Sensitive, Astral Rejection Astral Rejection (5) - wevets, Chronos, Rysto, gnarlycharlie, septimus Texcat (5) - Scathach, septimus, dizzymrslizzy, gnarlycharlie, Pleonast Askthepizzaguy (5) - sinjin, Chronos, Inner Stickler, Pleonast, Darth Sensitive Mahaloth (3) - Chronos, sinjin, Pleonast DiggitCamara (2) - DaphneBlack, Johnny Bravo septimus (2) - Texcat, Idle Thoughts Idle Thoughts (2) - wevets, septimus Chronos (2) - wevets, Pleonast LightFoot (2) - Astral Rejection, Pleonast Darth Sensitive (1) – gnarlycharlie gnarlycharlie (1) - Darth Sensitive Inner Stickler (1) - wevets Johnny Bravo (1) - Lightfoot Silver Jan (1) - Captain Klutz sinjin (1) Dizzymrslizzy The dizzymrslizzy train comes out of nowhere. Astral, pizza and Darth are all interesting here. I took a quick look, and pizza gets off of Pleo, sending him into a tie for the lead at 5, and then 15 minutes later pushes dizzymrslizzy into a tie in the official count. Note that TexCat had tried to vote for dizzymrslizzy already and got the formatting wrong, which she corrected later on. With TexCat’s vote that’s enough to push dizzymrslizzy into the lead and take Texcat/Astral/pizza out of immediate danger. **Day 1 [Final](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17119781&postcount=525)** dizzymrslizzy – 8 votes - Silver Jan (309), septimus (395), DaphneBlack (449), Astral Rejection (473), Askthepizzaguy (490), Darth Sensitive (495), Texcat (506), Captain Klutz (512) Texcat – 5 votes - Scathach (290), septimus (310), Pleonast (431), dizzymrslizzy (343), gnarlycharlie (362) Astral Rejection – 5 votes - wevets (177), septimus (496), Chronos (237), Rysto (340), gnarlycharlie (407) Askthepizzaguy – 5 votes - sinjin (149), Chronos (237), Inner Stickler (364), Pleonast (415), Darth Sensitive (495) Pleonast – 4 votes - Chronos (371), Lightfoot (376), Mahaloth (384), Darth Sensitive (432) Mahaloth – 3 votes - Chronos (104), sinjin (149), Pleonast (474) Lightfoot – 3 votes - Astral Rejection (440), Pleonast (474), Johnny Bravo (517) septimus – 2 votes - Texcat (258), Idle Thoughts (303) Chronos – 2 votes - wevets (177), Pleonast (468) DiggitCamara – 2 votes - Johnny Bravo (291), DaphneBlack (308) Idle Thoughts (1) - septimus Darth Sensitive (1) – gnarlycharlie gnarlycharlie (1) - Darth Sensitive Inner Stickler (1) - wevets Johnny Bravo (1) - Lightfoot Silver Jan (1) - Captain Klutz sinjin (1) Dizzymrslizzy A mason finishes the pile-on. Not too much to see here. **Day 3 [Post 794](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17155536&postcount=794)** Texcat (6): septimus, Idle Thoughts, Mahaloth, gnarlycharlie, Silver Jan, Darth Sensitive Askthepizzaguy (4): Inner Stickler, Mahaloth, Silver Jan, Darth Sensitive gnarlycharlie (2): Askthepizzaguy, DaphneBlack Astral Rejection (2): Idle Thoughts, gnarlycharlie Idle Thoughts (1): septimus septimus (1): Idle Thoughts Pleonast (1): Mahaloth Darth Sensitive (1): gnarlycharlie Inner Stickler (1): sinjin The first vote count of the Day shows that TexCat is in trouble **again**. More points for septimus and gnarlycharlie. I need to review Idle’s reasoning a little more closely to get a better read on him. Mahaloth and Darth are voting both ways here and don’t get any townie cred from me. **Day 3 [Post 821](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17162006&postcount=821) (Texcat’s claim)** Texcat (5): Idle Thoughts, Mahaloth, gnarlycharlie, Silver Jan, Darth Sensitive Askthepizzaguy (4): Inner Stickler, Mahaloth, Silver Jan, Darth Sensitive Astral Rejection (4): Idle Thoughts, gnarlycharlie, DiggitCamara, Askthepizzaguy gnarlycharlie (2): DaphneBlack, TexCat Idle Thoughts (2): septimus, TexCat septimus (2): Idle Thoughts, TexCat Mahaloth (2): TexCat, Askthepizzaguy Darth Sensitive (2): TexCat, DaphneBlack Pleonast (1): Mahaloth Darth Sensitive (1): gnarlycharlie Inner Stickler (1): sinjin Silver Jan (1): TexCat septimus (1): DaphneBlack wevets (1): DaphneBlack OMGUS. That is all. Actually, that is not all. septimus comes off the TexCat train and loses the town points he get for starting it. pizza gains no votes here despite being #2 behind a scum player. Some momentum picks up on Astral here. **Day 3 [Post 842](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17164768&postcount=842)** Askthepizzaguy (5 votes) – Inner Stickler (731), Mahaloth (763), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784), Astral Rejection (828) Texcat (5 votes) - Idle Thoughts (760), Mahaloth (763), gnarlycharlie (764), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784) Astral Rejection (4 votes) – Idle Thoughts (754), gnarlycharlie (764), Diggitcamara (809), Askthepizzaguy (815) Darth Sensitive (4 votes) - gnarlycharlie (764), Texcat (802), DaphneBlack (820), septimus (824) Septimus (2 votes) – Idle Thoughts (760), DaphneBlack (820) Mahaloth (2 votes) - Texcat (802), Askthepizzaguy (814) Inner Stickler (1 vote) - sinjin (788) gnarlycharlie (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (741) Idle Thoughts (1 vote) - septimus (757) Pleonast (1 vote) - Mahaloth (763) Silver Jan (1 vote) - Texcat (802) Wevets (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (820) pizza comes into a tie with TexCat here thanks to Astral. Astral comes out against a Texcat lynch, and chooses pizza as the next closest candidate. TexCat has yet to really post a self-defense vote against anybody. Yes, this includes Astral, but that would only cause a tie. Notably, ahe also avoids a self-defense vote against pizza. **Day 3 [Post 852](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17165157&postcount=852) (Last Vote before 11:59AM buzzer-beater)** Texcat (5 votes) - Idle Thoughts (760), Mahaloth (763), gnarlycharlie (764), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784) Askthepizzaguy (5 votes) – Inner Stickler (731), Mahaloth (763), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784), Astral Rejection (828) Darth Sensitive (5 votes) - gnarlycharlie (764), Texcat (802), DaphneBlack (820), septimus (824), Askthepizzaguy(843) Astral Rejection (4 votes) – Idle Thoughts (754), gnarlycharlie (764), Diggitcamara (809), Rysto (852) Septimus (2 votes) – Idle Thoughts (760), DaphneBlack (820) Mahaloth (2 votes) - Texcat (802), Askthepizzaguy (814) Inner Stickler (1 vote) - sinjin (788) gnarlycharlie (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (741) Idle Thoughts (1 vote) - septimus (757) Pleonast (1 vote) - Mahaloth (763) Silver Jan (1 vote) - Texcat (802) Wevets (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (820) pizza gives up on Astral and moves on to Darth. The reasoning is, and I quote “Let’s get uncomfortable then!” This is horrible reasoning for a vote at a very, very critical time. TexCat still has not voted in self-defence. **Day 3 [Final](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17165804&postcount=888)** Texcat (6 votes) - Idle Thoughts (760), Mahaloth (763), gnarlycharlie (764), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784), Rysto (860) Askthepizzaguy (6 votes) – Inner Stickler (731), Mahaloth (763), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784), Astral Rejection (828), Texcat (867) Darth Sensitive (5 votes) - gnarlycharlie (764), Texcat (802), DaphneBlack (820), septimus (824), Askthepizzaguy(843) Astral Rejection (4 votes) – Idle Thoughts (754), gnarlycharlie (764), Diggitcamara (809), Rysto (852) Septimus (2 votes) – Idle Thoughts (760), DaphneBlack (820) Mahaloth (2 votes) - Texcat (802), Askthepizzaguy (814) Inner Stickler (1 vote) - sinjin (788) gnarlycharlie (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (741) Idle Thoughts (1 vote) - septimus (757) Pleonast (1 vote) - Mahaloth (763) Silver Jan (1 vote) - Texcat (802) Wevets (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (820) Rysto (1 vote) - Texcat TexCat finally votes in self-defence – after the deadline. Now I have to play WIFOM – did TexCat believe that her vote for pizza would count or not? As always, the only way not to lose at WIFOM is not to play, so I won’t try to consider that vote. At this point I am going to **vote pizza**. TexCat’s refusal to vote for him is even more damning than her refusal to vote for Astral, and Astral and pizza both look to have an equally bad Day 1 voting record to me. So, my todo items from this post: - examine pizza’s and Astral’s Pleonast votes on Day 1. They came with a bandwagon forming and TexCat in trouble, so they are very interesting votes. - examine Astral, pizza and Darth’s dizzy votes from Day 1. They also came at a critical time for TexCat. - review Idle’s history against TexCat - Try to post outside of +/-12 hours from DuskDawn ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1069 "2014-03-12T04:40:15Z")
**Vote pleonast gnarlycharlie** These five haven’t contributed much at all today. Rysto talked some pretty early. Gnarly at least said he was busy with outside life when he popped in mid day. But I think the other three haven’t made a peep in the last six days in here. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1070 "2014-03-12T04:41:22Z")
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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1071 "2014-03-12T05:26:16Z")
**@LightFoot:**. Thanks for responding to my vote. You’re my weakest suspicion based largely on seeming non-participation. I’d love to see your thoughts on the vote-getters so far. [ > [@sinjin](#): > > Is your problem with me only that I am not sucking the pixels out of the thread like you and Pizza are? All I wanted was an answer to “do you find them both scummy even though one is voting for the other.” I thought my posts were pretty on-topic most of the time in this game, I didn’t realize they were pissing you off so much. I’ll try to post less, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1072 "2014-03-12T05:35:24Z")
Unofficial Vote Count: **Darth Sensitive** (4 votes) - DaphneBlack [899], Idle Thoughts [920], septimus [981], Astral Rejection [1024] **AskthePizzaGuy** (3 votes) - DiggitCamara [996], septimus [997], Rysto [1068] **Astral Rejection** (2 votes) - AskthePizzaGuy [893], Idle Thoughts [1030] **septimus** (2 votes) - DaphneBlack [899], Idle Thoughts [920] **Inner Stickler** (2 votes) - Mahaloth [939], sinjin [987] **Mahaloth** (2 votes) - sinjin [987], DiggitCamara [996] **Pleonast** (2 votes) - septimus [981], Darth Sensitive [1069] **Idle Thoughts** (2 votes) - Astral Rejection [1027], septimus [1033] **Scathach** (2 votes) - DiggitCamara [1036], Darth Sensitive [1067] **wevets** (2 votes) - DiggitCamara [1036], Darth Sensitive [1067] **sinjin** (1 votes) - Astral Rejection [1024] **Lightfoot** (1 votes) - Astral Rejection [1024] **gnarlycharlie** (1 votes) - Darth Sensitive [1069] **Rysto** (0 votes) - [del]Darth Sensitive [1067-1070][/del] Not Voting: Inner Stickler wevets Lightfoot Scathach gnarlycharly Pleonast Player List: 1. Inner Stickler 2. Astral Rejection 3. Mahaloth 4. Chronos - James Moriarity, a Scum Godfather - Lynched Day 2 5. Johnny Bravo - Mary Watson, a Mason - Kileed Day 1 6. DaphneBlack 7. wevets 8. Idle Thoughts 9. DiggitCamara 10. sinjin 11. Silver Jan - Vanilla - chef Harry Macklemore - Killed Day 3 12. Rysto 13. Lightfoot 14. Scathach 15. TexCat - Irene Adler, a Scum Backup Godfather - Lynched Day 3 16. dizzymrslizzy - Vanilla - Michael Westcott - Lynched Day 1 17. Darth Sensitive 18. Captain Klutz - Dr. John Watson, a Town Mason/Doctor - Killed Day 2 19. gnarlycharly 20. septimus 21. Pleonast 22. AskthePizzaGuy ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1073 "2014-03-12T06:49:25Z")
This isn’t everything Pizza has said, but stuff that strikes me as scummy. **Day 1** > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Hmm. Why not? I don’t have much of an opinion on the matter. Lead on, Holmes. > > **Vote DiggitCamara** Absolves responsibility for a vote as he makes it. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **Vote Pleonast** > > Oh, I can definitely get behind this lynch. Hops on the \*\*pleonast \*\*bandwagon without reasoning. This vote tied \*\*Pleo \*\*with **Texcat**. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > TexCat, Astral, your assistance on killing the Pleonast-y would be appreciated by me. Follows it up by blatantly asking others to hop on the bandwagon. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Your wish, madame Sherlock, is my command. > > **Unvote all** > (Might as well) > > **Vote Dizzymrslizzy** Follows **daphne** into voting **dizzy** , putting this vote on her, and also unvoting, obscuring his thoughts in end of day counts. **Day 2** > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **Vote: Inner Stickler** > > You die. Vote without reasoning. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I think my case against Inner Stickler can be summarized [**thusly**](http://giphy.com/gifs/h1xpl0ei9VQli) Laughs at the idea that he should provide reasoning. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > If Chronos is a politician, then my vote might actually be necessary. > > I shall include a meme [**anyway.**](http://img.izismile.com/img/img6/20130517/640/this_funny_meme_wins_every_argument_640_01.jpg) > > **Vote Chronos** Doesn’t vote **chronos** until after the bandwagon is moving at full steam. (Then smudges those who got on the wagon early on day 3) **Day 3** > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **Vote Inner Stickler** > > You die. > > **Vote Sinjin** > > You die too. > > **Vote Gnarlycharlie** > > You die three. > > [http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/227/262/a%20meme.jpg](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/227/262/a%20meme.jpg) More well reasoned votes. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **unvote all** > > **Vote Mahaloth** > > If he still thinks I’m scum at this point, he can be excused from the game. > > I put pressure on gnarly and that didn’t do much. Let’s try Maha. > > Who wants a dead Mahaloth today? > > I am townie and am willing to be scanned tonight to prove it. I also don’t trust the TexCat wagon. > > Let’s kill someone the scums don’t want dead. Tries to defend **texcat**. Moves his unreasoned votes to a new target and instead of making a case asks who else wants **mahaloth** dead. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Speaking of which, I am guilty of White Knighting TexCat. > > TexCat should probably vote for me for doing that. Encourages a vote on him from **texcat** - one that would make her lynch less likely. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **Vote Darth Sensitive** > > Let’s get uncomfortable then! More unreasoned voting. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Happy with either an Astral or Darth lynch. > > TexCat- meh. Feel free to snipe me, TexCat, I shall not be voting you. > > I have zero actions so I don’t care if you kill me to stay alive. Encourages a **texcat** vote that will save her while at the same time refusing to vote her. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > _nudge_ > > TexCat. It’s going to go to a tiebreaker. > > Do you want the round to end that way? You can save yourself by voting me, or… > > If you don’t, we’ll get to see what the tiebreaker looks like. Makes a last ditch attempt to get **texcat** to vote him. **Day 4** > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **Vote: Astral Rejection** 😃 > > Reasons? I have two. > > ((Originally Posted by Astral Rejection View Post > Vote Askthepizzaguy. > > This might come as a surprise to you guys, but I don’t want to see TexCat swing. Askthepizzaguy is the next closest candidate minus myself.)) > > ((Originally Posted by TexCat View Post > Astral and I were leading lynch candidates yesterday. I’d hate to have him flip town because the conspiracy theorists would then be sure that I was the scum. Although I still don’t understand why if one of us was scum and the other town, that scum would need to bring Pleo and Dizzy into the lynch mix. I’m fairly certain because of this that Astral is town, just as I am. If Astral were scum, I’d probably have been lynched Yesterday.)) > > J’accuse. Votes for **Astral** - at least artially on the basis that he said he didn’t want **texcat** lynched, after spending most of the last day trying to shelter **texcat**. On the bright side, he at least provided a vote reasoning this time. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Then let it be the fatal drop. > > I need to get **wevets** , **Rysto** , **gnarlycharlie** , **septimus** , and \*\*DiggitCamara \*\*some more satisfaction after they’ve been hounding scumbags all game long, so they can enjoy full credit for being way, way up the scum team’s butt with a blowtorch pretty much the entire time. > > Good sir scumbag, you have fought with valor and distinction. It makes me weep to see you die so suddenly after your honorable teammate fell in the mexican standoff. But those will be tears of sweet, sweet joy. Your agony is my sunshine. Your teardrops are the stars in my heaven. Your blood is the ocean upon which the ship of victory sails. Your final breaths are the wind beneath my wings. Sucking up 5 ways at a time. And I don’t know that it’s even correct - it seems to me that most of **GC** ’s votes have been at least a bit OMGUSy - his day 3 votes were all on people he voted on day 1 over the clue flap. The others may have hunted scum better, but I remembered **gnarly** ’s case on me just fine so I double checked. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > See this post right here? > > I \*always \*admit my guilt when I’m scum. Lynch me. > > If you don’t lynch me now, I will lord it over you all for the rest of eternity and make this post my sig on every forum, and bring it up in every game, ever. > > I can even quote myself from previous games where I admitted I was scum and got away with it. You can’t let me do this again! Stop me now! HAHAHAHAH!!! If you insist. **Vote askthepizzaguy** (And while building this post I saw three edits by pizza, which just rubs me the wrong way. Including his [his post to **Texcat** reminding her that she could save herself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17165357&postcount=856) at the end of yesterDay if she voted him - might have been worse before the edit) ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1074 "2014-03-12T06:54:33Z")
Still me up there, and voted by folks who have been pulling their weight in this game, no less. Guys, you have done well enough that you can have no shame in your game for my lynch. Well played. Just kill Astral at some point, and you’ll make pizza proud. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1075 "2014-03-12T06:56:21Z")
\*\*[COLOR=Red]Unvote all Vote Askthepizzaguy\*\*[/COLOR] To advance the discussion to the next suspect ASAP. This is not a threat, bluff, or scum tactic. It merely is. I said this would be the last day I would be discussed as a suspect. You’ve failed to move on. Move on. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1076 "2014-03-12T06:57:23Z")
I shall not be unvoting myself at any point and will refuse to vote for anyone else for the remainder of the game, thereby rendering myself useless to the town. Lynch me today and then move on. _bows courteously_ ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1077 "2014-03-12T08:24:47Z")
**Pizza Guy** , I wish you wouldn’t resort to such histrionics. For one thing (I am very gullible), they lead me to think you’re innocent. **Unvote: Askthepizzaguy** I strongly suspect that either you or Astral is Scum. Or both? :eek: :smack: In any event, I don’t want to see a runaway landslide on you with almost half the Players not even voting yet. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1078 "2014-03-12T08:49:20Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > _**You posted no less than six (6) responses to the joke/random vote**_, > > If six posts is not enough to consider a “reaction in spades”, how many does it take? 13? 😉 Yes, all were trying, in earnest, to get through through your skull and make you realize that was an extremely suspicious and weak type vote…and that the “joking” sense of it was a failure. I guess I should have realized sooner that you’re fond of weak voting that you try to pass off as “jokes”. : p But I do appreciate the smilies and stuff in your attempt to keep all of this lighthearted. I tried doing that before (on previous Days) with you, but it didn’t seem like you were in the mood. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1079 "2014-03-12T13:32:36Z")
\*\*Vote ATPG Vote Sinjin Vote Idle Thoughts \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1080 "2014-03-12T14:09:59Z")
**Unvote all.** **Vote Idle Thoughts.** Other suspicions have been posted, now I’m focusing on the one guy I most want lynched. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=55)