# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1141 "2014-03-15T19:16:46Z")
I believe more than half our clues are true, though. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1142 "2014-03-15T19:24:46Z")
While you’re technically correct per the rules, we have no way of knowing what exact percentage of clues is true, and are best served by assuming a worst-case scenario. And, with only two states available, the odds of any individual player having a true clue are 50%, as my clue being true or false cannot affect the odds of your clue being true or false. You’re not going to talk me out of this. Relying solely on your clue for a vote is lazy and mathematically worse than random. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > **5.** With one or two modest exceptions, every player - Town and Scum - has been given a single clue about the game setup, the roles, or the characters. More than half of these clues are 100% accurate; some proportion of them that is \>0% and \<50% are false. False clues have been given _only_ to Town-aligned players. I will state for the record that I have by various means attempted to ensure that public reveal of certain clues or other information may not always benefit the side of the player given the clue. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1143 "2014-03-16T00:09:17Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > While you’re technically correct per the rules, we have no way of knowing what exact percentage of clues is true, and are best served by assuming a worst-case scenario. And, with only two states available, the odds of any individual player having a true clue are 50%, as my clue being true or false cannot affect the odds of your clue being true or false. > > You’re not going to talk me out of this. Relying solely on your clue for a vote is lazy and mathematically worse than random. If more people were participating, maybe I would have more to make a case on. For now, this game is somewhat dead and I will leave my votes as are. Should we just lynch the quiet? Or request them all to be mod-killed for our action today? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1144 "2014-03-16T00:15:35Z")
_Come on,_ dude. Only forty posts ago, in his only post of the day and the Day 4 lynch/kill post to boot, Storyteller suggested he’d deal with the lurkers. You must be willfully missing this stuff at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1145 "2014-03-16T02:45:24Z")
**Vote Mahaloth** You may be active, but you sure as hell aren’t actually paying attention to the game. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1146 "2014-03-16T04:50:27Z")
Yeah, I’m ready to vote Mahaloth again too. He goes on and on about his clue and how he’s wetting his pants wanting to post it but doesn’t because everybody else won’t post theirs. But now just about everyone has posted their clue but he now doesn’t want to post his and yet: He’s voting based on his clue and still refuses to post it because??? **vote Mahaloth** ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1147 "2014-03-16T05:08:57Z")
Idle’s clue suggests that there is a secret Scum unknown to his teammates. Will anyone speculate on the mechanism whereby Scum would learn their secret teammate’s identity and invite him to the Scum board? It might be plausible that one of the Scum would have a clue like Mahaloth’s to narrow the search for their secret teammate. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1148 "2014-03-16T16:21:43Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > It might be plausible that one of the Scum would have a clue like Mahaloth’s to narrow the search for their secret teammate. What do you want us to speculate about? If scum have such a clue, we’ll never know unless they post it, and town can’t act in any way to circumvent their search, short of lynching the hidden scummer first. You’re still assuming Idle is accurately reporting his clue, which we know for a **fact** he isn’t, by at least one word. And you know what? I still want him dead more than Mahaloth for that. **Unvote Mahaloth.** I won’t weep if Mahaloth is lynched (what is _up_ with his play?), but Idle Thoughts is withholding information from town for no reason. Past Idle Thoughts even agrees with me. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I think **JohnnyBravo** had the exact same clue that I did…but when **Texcat** got a hold of it, she changed it by leaving out a word and withholding what the full clue says. > > If this is correct, that means scum probably already know what the real clue says anyway…so should I post my clue? > I don’t see any reason why not since it’s very possible I was right and that **Texcat** changed **JB** ’s clue in order to hide any possible extra info from Town. Keep in mind that this is how I figured her to be definite lying scum late in the Day yesterDay…so I think the odds are good she really was lying and changing it. And for reference, here’s the wrong-by-one-word clue: > [@TexCat](#): > > CLUE: There is a Scum player who does not have access to the Scum boards at the outset of the game. The majority of the Scum do not know this. I contend there is no single word that could drastically change the meaning of this clue. There aren’t even that many words that could be added while maintaining the sentence structure. What could the missing word be? There is NOT a scum player…? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1149 "2014-03-16T16:24:37Z")
Astral, take it for what it is worth. I think my poor play in this game has been vastly exaggerated, perhaps due to absence of, you know, a huge amount of players. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1150 "2014-03-16T16:28:32Z")
Newest Vote Count: Scathach (2): Inner Stickler, Mahaloth Inner Stickler (2): Mahaloth, sinjin Astral Rejection (2): septimus, Idle Thoughts septimus (2): sinjin, DiggitCamara Idle Thoughts (2): DiggitCamara, Astral Rejection gnarlycharlie (2): DiggitCamara, Darth Sensitive Mahaloth (2): Darth Sensitive, sinjin Inner Stickler, Mahaloth… your votes for Scathach are worthless from a “trying to find scum” angle. Storyteller will deal with her, and her lynch will yield us little if any information. To anyone voting for more than one person - this 7-way tie illustrates that you are **clearly hurting town.** At this point, I think it’s very wise to pick only one target. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1151 "2014-03-16T16:29:40Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Astral, take it for what it is worth. I think my poor play in this game has been vastly exaggerated, perhaps due to absence of, you know, a huge amount of players. If you’d actually address my points, I might be inclined to agree with you. You’re voting for a player our mod will deal with, and another player based on Day 0 information. I have little sympathy for the votes you’ve gotten based on that behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1152 "2014-03-16T16:34:01Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Idle’s clue suggests that there is a secret Scum unknown to his teammates. Will anyone speculate on the mechanism whereby Scum would learn their secret teammate’s identity and invite him to the Scum board? > > It might be plausible that one of the Scum would have a clue like Mahaloth’s to narrow the search for their secret teammate. I know that the Arkham game a few years ago had secret scum (Commish Gordon) with no knowledge of the fellow scum. I believe he got access to the scum board by being investigated by the scum (maybe the other way around - I can’t seem to find the spoiled board, and I’m not looking too hard). My recollection was that Gordon never made it to the main board. We didn’t have a good way of locating him - a clue like Mahaloth’s would be useful to either side of that grouping in trying to join up the scum team. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1153 "2014-03-16T16:40:48Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Your strategy needs work. Mafia can fake investigations and lack of a counterclaim is a strong argument but it is not positive proof. A counterclaiming player could be uninvolved or working another plan. Also, you’re missing the fact that I never voted for her after Day 1 and I repeatedly stated that I thought she was town so as a scum strategy it’s pretty lousy. i have to agree with this. i didn’t believe **DaphneBlack** immediately. i didn’t vote her either. this isn’t to say **Inner** is town but i wouldn’t vote him for this reason. > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Leaves **Idle Thoughts** , \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*and **Rysto** on Texcat’s voter list. **Rysto** put her in the lynching “seat”. Would scum do this? Doubtful. > > Both **Idle Thoughts** and \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\* voted early for **Texcat** , when it was far from obvious she’d be lynched. > > It’s not an air-tight indiction but still > > **Vote Idle Thoughts > Vote gnarlycharlie** it’s certainly not airtight. i was one of the few who kept going after **Texcat**. elaborate bussing strategy? > [@Darth\_Sensitive](#): > > **Vote gnarlycharlie** yeah, i didn’t pursue **Texcat**. I just kept voting for her. admit it. either you’re scum or you hate that i keep voting for you. i’m actually interested to why people aren’t voting you. you were in danger yesterDay. well, that won’t stop me. **Vote Darth Sensitive** ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1154 "2014-03-16T16:48:00Z")
i would like to add that OMGUS isn’t necessarily a bad strategy. you’ve been playing in your little mafia world for too long. scum vote for town all the time. so you can get scum that way. i got **Texcat** , didn’t i? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1155 "2014-03-17T13:12:21Z")
Guys. There are 13 of you left in the game. Somebody comment on something. At the very least, unvote all but your top suspicion. This tie is incredibly bad for town. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1156 "2014-03-17T15:23:59Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Guys. There are 13 of you left in the game. Somebody comment on something. OK. Despite that some will find any comments an excuse to vote me. :smack: Mahaloth’s play may not be pro-Town, but that doesn’t make him Scum. Maybe I’m gullible, but I doubt Scum would risk the accusations he’s getting. And Mahaloth did cast 3rd vote on TexCat Day 3. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Guys. There are 13 of you left in the game. Somebody comment on something. > > At the very least, unvote all but your top suspicion. This tie is incredibly bad for town. Since the two voting you have cast only single votes, your request is somewhat self-sacrificial. Anyway, another way to break the tie is with more multiple voting. Unfortunately those I find suspicious have only zero or one votes right now. **Vote: Darth Sensitive** **Vote: sinjin** **Vote: wevets** ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1157 "2014-03-17T16:03:02Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > You’re still assuming Idle is accurately reporting his clue, which we know for a **fact** he isn’t, by at least one word. > > I won’t weep if Mahaloth is lynched (what is _up_ with his play?), but Idle Thoughts is withholding information from town for no reason. Past Idle Thoughts even agrees with me. **I wish to point out to everyone, again, that Astral is, again, heavily pressuring me to reveal my clue** …a clue he knows to (possibly) have extra info that scum weren’t told. He appears to be the only one pressing me this hard to reveal my clue. _I have a clue that benefits scum and only scum_ and AR has been on my back to reveal it for the last two days. You must realllllly want to know it badly, don’t you? I wonder why… So again, if/when I die, I hope AR finally gets the scrutiny he deserves. It’s long overdue, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1158 "2014-03-17T16:09:51Z")
Oh, you mean AR who’s consistently been one of the top votegetters every Day? Yeah, he’s really been skating by. **Vote Idle Thoughts** I will not be unvoting Scathach. Storyteller has not actually specified how or when he will deal with lurkers. We don’t know if he’s planning to do it Today, we don’t know if he’ll kill them, and we don’t know that if he does kill them we’ll get a flip. I think Scathach is scum and I want to know for certain their alignment. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1159 "2014-03-17T16:23:33Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Oh, you mean AR who’s consistently been one of the top votegetters every Day? Yeah, he’s really been skating by. > > **Vote Idle Thoughts** Yes, he is…considering he’s not been lynched yet and that you just proved my point for me by putting me in the lead with votes over him. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1160 "2014-03-17T16:27:50Z")
**Vote Inner Stickler** for doing just that, in fact. For saying “Yeah, he’s really been skating by” while—at the same time—allowing **AR** _to do just that_ (by voting for me and saving **AR** from the vote lead yet again). Oh, and in the interest of self-preservation of course, because I know I’m Town and I’m not sure about you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=59)