# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\]

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1321 "2014-03-28T04:18:01Z")

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Here’s my role pm:

> [@](#):
>
> Welcome to the game; you are Mycroft Holmes
> 
> ROLE TYPE: It’s Complicated  
> ALIGNMENT: Yours (Town)  
> WIN CONDITION: You win when all of Mine (Scum) have been eliminated.
> 
> MH -
> 
> The game is afoot, as you know who is inclined to say. He’ll be there; will you?
> 
> - M  
> POWERS:
> 
> * * *
> 
> CLUE: James Moriarty, the Scum Godfather, has the ability to manipulate the vote under certain circumstances.

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1322 "2014-03-28T04:20:17Z")

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Here’s what I got when Dapne was whacked:

> [@](#):
>
> Re: Target  
> To the Other Brother –
> 
> According to the notes of the estimable deceased:
> 
> Chronos targeted Johnny Bravo on Day One.
> 
> Askthepizzaguy’s true name is Brian Donner (per Day Two investigation)
> 
> Septimus’ true name is Jacob Lowell Henderson (per Day Three investigation)
> 
> Inner Stickler’s true name is Holly Lang (per Day Four investigation)
> 
> - M

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1323 "2014-03-28T04:21:38Z")

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My head is still clogged and I am exhausted by dealing with a sick 4 year old for 3 days in a travel trailer 😛 Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day.

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**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\
**Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1324 "2014-03-28T04:58:52Z")

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My role PM:

> [@](#):
>
> Welcome to the game; you are Joseph Tiernan
> 
> ROLE TYPE: Vanilla  
> ALIGNMENT: Yours (Town)  
> WIN CONDITION: You win when all of Mine (Scum) have been eliminated.
> 
> Mr. Tiernan –
> 
> As I understand it, you’ve made your reputation and a modest fortune in the field of athletic endeavor; I’m sure you can imagine how impressed I am with such an achivement. I’m particularly pleased that you’ve chosen to grace the shores of London with your presence, and I’d be honored to request your presence at a gathering I am holding this Tuesday evening. We will be convening a game of our own, and while there are unlikely to be any goals, sudden death is a guarantee. It’s a pun, you see, because many sporting events, if tied when time expired, end in a period often called… no, never mind, FORGET IT.
> 
> Euphemistically,
> 
> M  
> POWERS:  
> As I understand your particular discipline, you can kick multiple three pointers in one home run, or something like that. It won’t help you here.
> 
> * * *
> 
> CLUE: There is a man named Liam Harrison in the game; he is a taxi driver by trade.

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1325 "2014-03-28T04:59:49Z")

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How do we get from here:

> [@DaphneBlack](#):
>
> I do know that **septimus** did not perform the scum kill yesterday.

to here:

> [@sinjin](#):
>
> Here’s what I got when Dapne was whacked:  
> …  
> Septimus’ true name is Jacob Lowell Henderson (per Day Three investigation)

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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\
**Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1326 "2014-03-28T05:05:18Z")

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Wow, that claim looks incredibly scummy.

Sinjin, what possible pro-town motivation can you advance f

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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\
**Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1327 "2014-03-28T05:06:35Z")

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… the reply button is too close to my thumb on my phone.

What possibly pro-town motivation could there be for not immediately claiming once Daphne died? I struggle to think what possible response you could offer to dissuade me from voting for you, even discounting the discrepancy.

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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\
**Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1328 "2014-03-28T05:10:26Z")

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Also, and I’m not about to look it up on my phone, didn’t Daphne’s power cycle? As in, she had a variety of powers? I seriously doubt there’d be a track and three name results.

… dammit, now I really want to go look it up.

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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\
**Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1329 "2014-03-28T05:13:40Z")

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> [@storyteller0910](#):
>
> **DaphneBlack** , who was Sherlock Holmes, and obviously Town (Variously a Watcher, Tracker, Name Investigator, and Clue Investigator) has been slain

I’d expect those powers to cycle. Choose one, can’t use it again until they’ve all been used, that type of thing. Otherwise, I’d expect all watches and tracks.

**Vote sinjin.**

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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\
**Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1330 "2014-03-28T19:21:21Z")

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Gnarlycharlie, you got a claim for us?

(I hope he hasn’t claimed already and I’ve just forgotten… I’d look dumb)

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**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\
**Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1331 "2014-03-29T02:50:46Z")

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**Vote Sinjin**

**Vote hammer**

I’m not able to reconcile what you’ve said with with what a confirmed town member has said.

Especially since anybody could have put your list together from the thread.

The only thing **Gnarly** has claimed is a duplicate clue.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1332 "2014-03-29T03:01:53Z")

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Can we at least let sinjin reply to the inquiry why he didn’t tell us his info. right when he got it?

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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\
**Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1333 "2014-03-29T03:04:18Z")

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Mahaloth, you wanted to hammer before half of the players had even checked in yet yesterDay. Why are you suddenly preaching caution when a _single person_ has voted to hammer?

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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\
**Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1334 "2014-03-29T03:06:28Z")

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Also, besides stating that the game is “still dead,” do you have a lean on anyone for possible scum?

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1335 "2014-03-29T03:30:42Z")

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I have no idea why my results conflict with Daphne’s statement. Maybe she knew something about Septimus that we don’t know, like I knew that either Daphne or Rysto was Holmes??

I didn’t reveal the results I was given when I received them because I was hoping that Septimus would claim and I could possibly catch a scum lying about their role or Mahaloth’s list contained his name… The results seemed mostly useless.

FTR if I saw someone else make a claim that contradicts what a dead town player said I too would be highly suspicious.

I have a message off to Story asking WTF? But don’t really expect that to resolve anything.

My role is as I copied it, I’m Vanilla except for getting Holmes’ last investigation which tells us nothing.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1336 "2014-03-29T13:00:31Z")

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> [@Astral\_Rejection](#):
>
> Mahaloth, you wanted to hammer before half of the players had even checked in yet yesterDay. Why are you suddenly preaching caution when a _single person_ has voted to hammer?

Because I want to hear sinjin’s answer.

> [@Astral\_Rejection](#):
>
> Also, besides stating that the game is “still dead,” do you have a lean on anyone for possible scum?

Nope.

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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\
**Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1337 "2014-03-29T15:46:10Z")

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> [@sinjin](#):
>
> I didn’t reveal the results I was given when I received them because I was hoping that Septimus would claim and I could possibly catch a scum lying about their role or Mahaloth’s list contained his name… The results seemed mostly useless.

Did you do anything to prod him? Cast doubt on his claim? Can you point to any post in this game that could, even inferentially, indicate you’re now working to catch players in a lie with the knowledge you gained after DaphneBlack’s death?

> [@sinjin](#):
>
> FTR if I saw someone else make a claim that contradicts what a dead town player said I too would be highly suspicious.

Good. 😃

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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\
**Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1338 "2014-03-29T15:56:01Z")

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> [@Mahaloth](#):
>
> > [@Astral\_Rejection](#):
> >
> > Mahaloth, you wanted to hammer before half of the players had even checked in yet yesterDay. Why are you suddenly preaching caution when a _single person_ has voted to hammer?
> 
> Because I want to hear sinjin’s answer.

This doesn’t really answer the question. You wanted to hammer before half the players had even voted yet, yesterDay. ToDay, you don’t want **ANYONE** to hammer until you’ve gotten to hear a post from another player. There is an obvious tactical discrepancy here that I’m not understanding.

> [@Mahaloth](#):
>
> > [@Astral\_Rejection](#):
> >
> > Also, besides stating that the game is “still dead,” do you have a lean on anyone for possible scum?
> 
> Nope.

Mahaloth, I love playing with you, but this is worthless. Are you still planning on voting based on Day 0 information, i.e., your clue? Will you maybe read the thread and come to your own conclusions? Do you have a case you enjoy, and might like seeing through? What are your feelings on sinjin? Me? Any of the other remaining players?

I’d vote for you here, if I thought you were scum, but I think you’re completely checked out and don’t care. Your play is irritating me; you have given this game the barest minimum amount of effort, failing to read for comprehension or search for scum, from Day 1. It further irritates me when you complain about how “dead” the game is, when you’ve done nothing to help liven it up.

Pick a random number, and vote a player accordingly. That would be better than anything else you’ve done so far.

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1339 "2014-03-29T16:03:46Z")

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> [@Astral\_Rejection](#):
>
> Did you do anything to prod him? Cast doubt on his claim? Can you point to any post in this game that could, even inferentially, indicate you’re now working to catch players in a lie with the knowledge you gained after DaphneBlack’s death?
> 
> Good. 😃

I voted for Inner and Septimus the day after Daphne died, hoping to provoke a claim from Septimus. That didn’t happen. At that point I was pretty sure that Inner was the last scum and his angry behaviour convinced me that I was correct.

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1340 "2014-03-29T16:06:28Z")

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NETA: I was obviously incorrect.

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