# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1341 "2014-03-29T16:12:57Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > I voted for Inner and Septimus the day after Daphne died, hoping to provoke a claim from Septimus. That didn’t happen. At that point I was pretty sure that Inner was the last scum and his angry behaviour convinced me that I was correct. Okay, that’s a start. Here’s your vote: > [@sinjin](#): > > I don’t like this statement at all. Do you know that \*\*Astral \*\*is True Scum? Do you know that \*\*Scathach \*\*is not True Scum? > > **vote septimus** > > **vote Inner Stickler** for repeatedly trying to throw suspicion on Daphne’s claim, even after she outed the GF. > > I will also be tempted to vote for those voting for \*\*Scathach \*\*even after \*\*Storyteller \*\*said at beginning of day that he would consider taking care of those who are not participating. This is a stupid, lame, lazy vote. Scathach has been AWOL for a long time, I am more worried that something has happened to them. Same goes for **Pleo**. If either are sandbagging, I will be disappointed. I have a few questions: 1. If what you learned about septimus disagreed with what Daphne claimed about septimus, why did you not push him harder? I read the entire Day, and you never further questioned him (unless I missed it), nor further pushed for his lynch beyond this post. He was never at risk of lynch, and you never pushed for a claim from him. 2. Why did you jump onto a potential Mahaloth lynch, when you were counting on using his list of players? 3. This post, and your justification for your votes, doesn’t really indicate that you have any new knowledge. To return to my first question a few posts ago, do you make any posts that can, in hindsight, indicate you are trying to use the information you supposedly gained from DaphneBlack? ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1342 "2014-03-29T16:18:17Z")
Here is the [post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17192956&postcount=1113) where I voted septimus ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1343 "2014-03-29T16:27:25Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Okay, that’s a start. Here’s your vote: > I have a few questions: > > 1. If what you learned about septimus disagreed with what Daphne claimed about septimus, why did you not push him harder? I read the entire Day, and you never further questioned him (unless I missed it), nor further pushed for his lynch beyond this post. He was never at risk of lynch, and you never pushed for a claim from him. Because what I learned was only his name. I had no other suspicions of him really except for his “TRUE SCUM” comments > [@](#): > > 1. Why did you jump onto a potential Mahaloth lynch, when you were counting on using his list of players? I have been voting for Mahaloth since Day 1 because of his goofy list, which he was playing cat and mouse about all game. 3) This post, and your justification for your votes, doesn’t really indicate that you have any new knowledge. To return to my first question a few posts ago, do you make any posts that can, in hindsight, indicate you are trying to use the information you supposedly gained from DaphneBlack? [/QUOTE] I don’t have any new knowledge! All I got was what I quoted. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1344 "2014-03-29T17:02:47Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > This doesn’t really answer the question. You wanted to hammer before half the players had even voted yet, yesterDay. ToDay, you don’t want **ANYONE** to hammer until you’ve gotten to hear a post from another player. There is an obvious tactical discrepancy here that I’m not understanding. > > Mahaloth, I love playing with you, but this is worthless. Are you still planning on voting based on Day 0 information, i.e., your clue? Will you maybe read the thread and come to your own conclusions? Do you have a case you enjoy, and might like seeing through? What are your feelings on sinjin? Me? Any of the other remaining players? > > I’d vote for you here, if I thought you were scum, but I think you’re completely checked out and don’t care. Your play is irritating me; you have given this game the barest minimum amount of effort, failing to read for comprehension or search for scum, from Day 1. It further irritates me when you complain about how “dead” the game is, when you’ve done nothing to help liven it up. > > Pick a random number, and vote a player accordingly. That would be better than anything else you’ve done so far. No, you are quite wrong. I’ve given the game good effort and will continue to do so. That’s why I want to hear sinjin(I see he has replied but I am responding to you first). I have livened the game up plenty, have not checked out at all, and do care. Anyway, take it back a notch, please; it does not have to be personal. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1345 "2014-03-29T17:04:28Z")
I apologize, and do not mean for it to be personal. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1346 "2014-03-29T17:05:27Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > I have been voting for Mahaloth since Day 1 because of his goofy list, which he was playing cat and mouse about all game. I had a goofy list on Day 1? Anyway, I believe sinjin about his claim. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1347 "2014-03-29T17:12:49Z")
Mahaloth, how do you reconcile this: > [@DaphneBlack](#): > > I do know that **septimus** did not perform the scum kill yesterday. with this: > [@sinjin](#): > > Here’s what I got when Dapne was whacked: > […] > Septimus’ true name is Jacob Lowell Henderson (per Day Three investigation) > […] Or this: > [@sinjin](#): > > Here’s what I got when Dapne was whacked: > > Re: Target > To the Other Brother – > > According to the notes of the estimable deceased: > > Chronos targeted Johnny Bravo on Day One. > > Askthepizzaguy’s true name is Brian Donner (per Day Two investigation) > > Septimus’ true name is Jacob Lowell Henderson (per Day Three investigation) > > Inner Stickler’s true name is Holly Lang (per Day Four investigation) with this: > [@storyteller0910](#): > > **DaphneBlack** , who was Sherlock Holmes, and obviously Town (Variously a Watcher, Tracker, Name Investigator, and Clue Investigator) has been slain The wide strokes of sinjin’s claim seems plausible, but the nuts and bolts seem decidedly _im_plausible. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1348 "2014-03-30T04:44:13Z")
i will have to agree with \*\*Astral \*\*'s assessment. [vote]Vote Sinjin[/vote] ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1349 "2014-03-30T05:26:09Z")
I would just like those of you who have played with me before to ask yourselves this: would I be this stupid as scum? I have no defense for the seeming contradiction between what \*\*Daphne \*\*said and what I was told by the mod, I gave you what I was given. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1350 "2014-03-30T05:37:26Z")
Sinjin, you have no vote on record nor any posted suspicions toDay. I might be more inclined to believe you about your towniness if you seemed invested in hunting scum. The day isn’t over. Decide who you think is a good candidate, and vote accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1351 "2014-03-30T10:21:34Z")
Still lost. I’m getting Town vibes from Astral and sinjin. But I won’t unvote because I’m getting Town vibes from _everyone_. I see no clear scum tells in the voting record. Third-most likely to be Scum might be **Gnarlycharlie** , but there’s little real evidence. > [@Chronos](#): > > Aside to **gnarly** : Why do you spell “Scathach” with an accent mark? Do Scum like to ask each other silly questions in the public thread, to pretend they’re not communicating privately? (Gnarly never answered this question – maybe he answered in the Scum thread. 🆒 ) [QUOTE=Gnarlycharlie] [QUOTE=DaphneBlack] Chronos, my good sir, I think you know why. [/QUOTE] aw, spill it. [/QUOTE] Pizza(?) accused Gnarly for the above post. Scum wanted to get the detective reveal out into the open. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1352 "2014-03-31T03:38:46Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i will have to agree with \*\*Astral \*\*'s assessment. > > [vote]Vote Sinjin[/vote] This vote doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1353 "2014-03-31T03:43:56Z")
**Vote Count:** sinjin (3): septimus, Astral Rejection, Darth Sensitive Astral Rejection (1): septimus Darth Sensitive (1): gnarlycharlie Hammer (1): Darth Sensitive **NO VOTE: Mahaloth, sinjin** ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1354 "2014-03-31T04:24:27Z")
So this is what I got back from Story: > [@](#): > > Re: Holme’s results conflict? > Quote: > Originally Posted by sinjin > Any areason, the results I got from Holmes contradicts what Daphne said? I would vote for me given what she revealed vs what was revealed to me. > [@](#): > > I can’t answer that, though a possible answer might suggest itself if I simply repeat that the results you received are definitely the same results Daphne received. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1355 "2014-03-31T04:28:02Z")
So, I have no idea what is going on. I will vote all the people I wonder about: **vote Mahaloth** **Vote Darth Sensitive** **Vote Astral** Mahaloth because I’ve been suspicious of him since Day 1. Darth and Astral because they were in the running to be lynched day one and were miraculously saved by the Dizzy lynch. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1356 "2014-03-31T04:32:30Z")
So this is what I got back from Story: Quote: Re: Holme’s results conflict? Quote: Originally Posted by sinjin Any areason, the results I got from Holmes contradicts what Daphne said? I would vote for me given what she revealed vs what was revealed to me. Quote: I can’t answer that, though a possible answer might suggest itself if I simply repeat that the results you received are definitely the same results Daphne received. This suggests to me that my initial thought was correct, that Daphne had some additional info in her PM about Septimus, as I did about Daphne/Rysto. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1357 "2014-03-31T05:32:18Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > This suggests to me that my initial thought was correct, that Daphne had some additional info in her PM about Septimus, as I did about Daphne/Rysto. But what could that extra info be? Surely she wasn’t informed Night 0 about who would perform the Scum kill Day 3. Despite this, you seem Townie to me. Your vote record doesn’t seem Scummy. I’d rather Lynch Astral, and may Unvote you soon. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1358 "2014-03-31T14:32:01Z")
I am increasingly of the opinion that multivotes are not pro-town, especially if you at any point cast more votes than there are likely scum remaining. Sinjin’s vote basically abdicates any responsibility for the lynch, and is akin to casting no real vote at all. As I said earlier, people are responsible for every vote they cast, and I don’t buy a pro-town motivation for voting a huge swatch of players with no rationale when we’re likely at LyLo. Sinjin, if I could vote you again, I would. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1359 "2014-03-31T14:40:43Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by sinjin > > Any areason, the results I got from Holmes contradicts what Daphne said? I would vote for me given what she revealed vs what was revealed to me. > > Quote: > > I can’t answer that, though a possible answer might suggest itself if I simply repeat that the results you received are definitely the same results Daphne received. > > This suggests to me that my initial thought was correct, that Daphne had some additional info in her PM about Septimus, as I did about Daphne/Rysto. Why is this your assumption? You could hazard a guess that DaphneBlack lied, which would be more plausible. But then I’d counter with “why?” Saying a player DIDN’T do something does not increase the pressure on said player, and is worthless as a gambit. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1360 "2014-03-31T22:14:38Z")
Fine, I tip my hat to Astral if he has fooled us. \*\* Vote sinjin\*\* **Vote hammer** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752.md?page=69)